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Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nuthing ta F' wit

Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nuthing ta F' wit

Racism, Kanye, and Wu-Tang... In this episode the guys welcome Mikey-She once again to the show to continue the racism discussion. Mikey and Anthony get deep on the subject. Also, Nore and his beef with Wu-Tang and should he apologize? Jeff reminds everybody why Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothing to F with.

Topics Discussed:

  • Racism from a white man's perspective
  • Is subtle or inadvertent racism a thing?
  • Kanye West
  • Will Donda ever drop?

(Disclaimer) Donda had not dropped at the time of this recording

  • Milk Crate Challenge deaths
  • PJ Washington and Brittany Renner situation
  • Pee Wee Herman and Pepe' Le Pew sexual harassments
  • Ghetto word of the week
  • Nore's beef with Wu-Tang affiliates

Featured Song: Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nuthing ta F' wit - Wu-Tang Clan

Ghetto word of the week: "Word"
Urban Dictionary: word

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Transcript
Jeff:

Thank you for tuning in to Episode 58 of the culture. There's your boy Jeff, I'm here with my man app. We got a lot to talk about today I want to get into some Kanye West. I want to get into some Noriega and Wu Tang deficiency. But first, first things first, I want to give a shout out to our patrons, we got some shit coming up for you guys, we're gonna do a Jay Z versus NAS versus battle. So stay tuned for that. But first off, I want to start off by playing a clip. This is basically an extension of last week's episode, where we talked about racism. And we talked about white people saying the N word and so forth. And afterwards, Mikey Shia who was a guest last week, he sent me an ad on a video clip of him, basically, you know, elaborating a little bit more. And he, you know, he wanted to talk a little bit further on the topic. I want to play that before I bring him on to explain himself further. And, you know, because I don't know how I felt about it when he you know, I had I put them on the spot. I asked him if he had ever used the N word. And he basically said, Yeah, he copped to saying that, yeah, for the most part, he uses it. And you know, if he's referencing a lyric or rap song, or whatever, I know the man, I personally did have a problem with it. I don't know how it felt about it. He hasn't actually elaborated on it yet. But let me just play the clip that we were sent from Mike.

Mikey:

Hey, guys, Mike, she just wanted to reach out about our episode, which was great. But one part has been bugging me. And I think I kind of blew past it, because I just, you know, I wanted to take a compliment from Jeff and I, you know, I think it's easier to take a compliment than to do kind of a deep digging. And, you know, Jeff said, that we know Mike, he's not a racist. And I just don't think that I can say that I'm not racist, I don't think anybody, especially any white person can say that they're not racist. whiteness is is built off of racism. And I think the lens with which people view and white people view the world is, a lot of it is based off of racism and quick judgments and stereotypes. So the thing that I can say about myself is that I'm trying to be, you know, the best anti racist that I can, I'm trying to shut the fuck up for a little while and just listen and learn. And understand that the story has been written through a white pen and a white gaze forever, and it's that shit needs to stand to the side. So I appreciate the conversation that we have on the show. We can also talk about this more next week. But I don't know that I can stand by saying that I'm not racist. And I don't think anybody should really stand on that term. And white people need to come to terms with just because you're not a Klan rally. Or you're not throwing swastikas up left and right doesn't mean that you're not racist, you still have work to do. So I gotta say,

Jeff:

Thanks, guys. All right. So he sent that and I'm for the second consecutive week, we're gonna have mikoshi on so he can elaborate and maybe explain himself a little bit more on that. But first, I want to ask, and what were your thoughts? Once you heard that, that audio clip,

Anthony:

I respected the man for his honesty and not being caught up in a bullshit? Sometimes you're in the moment? You say something? And you're honest about it doesn't mean I'm full honesty. But sometimes you got to pull yourself away. Like, let me think about this real quick. Like, am I? Huh? And like they click clicks, like, because it's not something you really think about on your waking day to day you really don't like no one. Like the things that people do and going about their day, you really don't think it's racist or not? It just not one of the things you just it matters, that I have an issue with it. No, I actually didn't I, I appreciated the upfront pneus and the honesty about it to kind of reconfigure thoughts and really kind of put more in depth into it. That like, No, I'm not, I'm not I'm not a racist. But there are some things that I might have said I might have done or might have been consciously unconsciously aware of that creates this bias. And I'm like, Hmm, maybe I need to examine that a bit more. So more than anything, I appreciate the, the feeling that you decided to do so because it's not easy to, to be able to recognize your own biases and realize, like, you know, you can feel yourself being a good person, like I live a good life, I take care of my family, I respect my wife, I enjoy my friends, so on and so forth. But there's some things that you want to delve deeper inside. And I appreciated the fact that you were able to like to kind of recognize that pretty much immediately. Like I need to give this some more consideration. Absolutely. All right. Well, let's

Jeff:

welcome back Mikey-She to the show for a second straight week was good, Mike. Hey, guys.

Mikey:

Everything's good.

Jeff:

Yeah, so I mean, you know, you wanted to continue to the conversation of racism. So I'm giving you the floor. You know, if you want to elaborate on your last comments.

Mikey:

I mean, I don't have that much more to say about it. And I also, you know, kind of piggybacking on my last thing was, you know, it's, you know, there's a lot of white privilege. going on right now with white people saying like, wow, let me just tell you how woke I'm becoming and let me tell you about the how I'm becoming as anti racist. Like, you don't need to hear my vegan voice anymore about it. But the main thing was Dude, I just like, went when I listened to that, well, we just recorded the episode. And there was this part in the show where Jeff just said that real quickly, he was like, and we know Mike, he's not racist. And I just said, Yep. And Fuck that, like, I don't deserve to pat myself on the back. And I think there's a lot of, you know, white people that are like, well, I am not marching around in the Klan robe. And I'm not, you know, like, at all these proud boys rallies or something like that, and therefore, I'm not racist when I think there's, there's a lot of those micro moments like Kant was talking about where it's like, I don't know, dude, like, is there racism in like, white privilege of I've been like, I can jump into like a Black Lives Matter protest, right? And I can feel like, I'm like, I got my fist in the air. I'm doing all the right things. But then when I want to just be a regular white person on the street, I can do that. And I can, like be pulled over by a cop and never have to worry about being killed, probably. So you're saying to me is like, Are you saying like subtle or inadvertent? racism is a thing, basically? Sure. Totally.

Jeff:

Yeah. Just don't be that guy that said, Well, you know, I'm on the culture. You know, I'm on the podcast with my black friend and my, my Spanish. That doesn't Fuck that. You know, there's always that one guy who says, I have a black friend, you know, I'm not racist. Oh, dude. Well, that's among the culture. And it's

Anthony:

man motherfuck. That, all right, I'm going to try to make it as easy as possible, because we're not going to spend too much time. Yeah, the difference is this. And I'm gonna keep it very simple. The thing with Hispanics, blacks, people of color, they can't enter those spaces that you're in. So the thing is this, we don't have access behind those doors behind those closed, you can say that you are the biggest ally in the world. But I don't know what to do behind that door. You can tell me whatever you want here. But there, it might be a whole different different conversation. The thing that this is what I need white people is do I need if you are a true ally, and you believe in yourself that I'm for equality, regardless of race, color, creed, whatever it is, when you're behind closed doors, and your friends or your family say something fucked up, check them. That's their fear. Their fear isn't racism, their fears that if I do this, they're going to reject me. But that's not being true to yourself. You have to be honest with yourself about how these things go. Because like I said, behind them, because we can't see shit. You can look at my face, you can look at my color. And you can disregard that at that moment. No, they're not here we can say whatever we want to we can do whatever we want to. That's not fair. That's where the problem lies. Because it's not the out front proud boy. Klu Klux Klan, that racism is the shit behind closed doors is the things that you say in public, but in private, your actions are completely different. I support this candidate. But when you make donations, it goes through its causes and things that are completely opposite to what you're standing on. So the ask of people is to say, am I willing to sacrifice my friends, my family and things of this nature, to hold true to my word, and most people just will not. Because they're afraid to be alone, they don't want to deal with a society that feels that I'm white. So I can't miss the people of color. So they shun me, but then I don't feel the same way that these people that are considered close to me, they feel so now isolated and alone, that may be true. But in the end, you are happy, you are true to yourself, you're honest with who you are, and what you stand for. Like I said, and it's not black people, we're not we sacrifice a bunch of all these people who are have been our civil rights heroes, they died standing on that ground that no matter what I'm going to stand for my people, and that's going to be it. So when we go opposite of that, and we don't say true Pro, where we end up in these situations. So anything I can ask people is that those doors that you're not allowing us access into we understand, but you have to make those changes behind the scenes so that it's more effective and shown out to the world. Until then we're going to keep having the same conversations and trying to play the game with who's racist, who's not do you are my ally? Am I not? It doesn't matter. Because behind those, those screens behind those curtains, there's nothing that we can say or do. It's people like you that can do so. All I ask. Amen. I don't think any of us could have said it better. I'm just happy that we can have this conversation and his dialogue. You know, I mean, obviously three people from three different backgrounds, two different, you know, coaches, and we can come together and have this this dynamic and have this conversation. I think that's necessary, not back to the function. Yeah. So, as of this episode, Donda still hasn't dropped, and it's not gonna drop. But what is dropping what Kanye continues to do every week or every other week is do these he puts together these little concerts, and I need you to help me out because I'm not even watching your shoes. I'm sure you're probably more up on it than I am. is he's still in the stadium. He did this in Chicago this year. So he's not in the stadium. This week, he feels like that wrong.

Jeff and Ant:

No, no, no, he He's a Soldier Field so he's still on so he okay he's still in stadiums he built the house there he brought out the baby and Marilyn Manson Marilyn Manson who was wildly problematic people but when

Mikey:

Marilyn Marilyn Manson was I didn't hear about that. Does

Jeff:

he have a song with Marilyn or he was just there chillin because I saw his lips to the show he was standing there like on the on the stool of the house or whatever the porch

Anthony:

No, no, apparently Marilyn Manson is going to be on the album. And I think like he brought up the baby Marilyn Manson to kind of like, have like a guest critique against kancil culture. Like, alright, the baby said some wild shit and Marilyn Manson been accused of sexual assault like, these are not the kind of people you should be aligning yourself with. But what rich people do.

Jeff:

Marilyn has been accused of more while she's in there. I remember the room that I used to go around back in the day that he had removed some of his ribs so that he can be able to perform oral sex on himself. I know you heard those were second zones. But like, I don't know, I think Marilyn Manson has been accepted in the hip hop community. He has a song with like DMX. You know, one of those? What are the Damian songs like part three or whatever? Or Part Two? He's like, yeah, that's a long time ago. Fuck that. Yeah, like, I don't know. But I saw people like on Twitter saying that Kanye was replacing some of the other people that he had on previous songs with like, Marilyn, and with the baby. I don't know if these are going to be new songs. I mean, how many songs is that she's gonna have like 30 or 40 songs. It's technically an official album already. It's just never going to be released in digital or hardcopy form. It's just going to be in these little concerts. Well, that's the thing he says it and now I think he wants to release it cuz I think Drake is dropping his next week or the week after? Well, you know, he's gonna think he's gonna release the same thing there. They've been going back and forth to Kanye sent out Drake's address. I don't know if that's real or not. But supposedly he put out Drake's address it was.

Jeff DeLaRosa:

Yeah, I was. I get it that I understand. No way. That's no, no, it was it shows. So the addressing he pulled it down. But the whole thing is like, yo, even if it's not, don't Don't play games like that, man. People are crazy. Like don't send nobody in my house, you can get somebody hurt, yo, but Yo, but that right? You can see it. Okay, that's a function or that could be genius marketing, because now people are going to buy both of their albums, to see if they really have a beef to see if they're going to make songs about each other on the shit, you know.

Mikey:

So that guy I mean, before he put out the address, you could still find his house like pretty fucking easily. Like I looked at one time, because it was like when that video came out where he filmed it all inside. But still, like you said, and it's like, there's kids involved. Don't fuck around with sending crazy people to someone's house.

Unknown:

And how would this kindness be if I thought this shit would kill him and push like, Oh, right. Would you like let push hand with push? Got it? Like, why? I mean, as long as it's just right,

Mikey:

but isn't he just trying to isn't Kanye just trying to be the, you know, confrontation King, right? I mean, he's just trying to like, Where can I bring all of the chaos into my situation? Because it's like, at least it just, it's like Trump did. It's like you're able to, like just absorb all of the oxygen in the room and keep on top of the new cycle because you're just doing lunatic shit. That's not to comment on his mental health.

Jeff:

I don't know. On a side note, I also read recently on the actual news that came in in Konya, trying to work on their relationship. So like, Okay. She left them because he was out of his mind, and he's bonkers and now she's like, I don't know maybe maybe there must be a madness to his genius or a genius says madness. Let's try to work it out. Kanye, Mr. West Look, man, you love who you love out of him.

Mikey:

Yeah. And like and like I said, being kids involved. I think it's like, you know, at least if they can maintain some sort of respectful relationship for the kiddos but I don't know man. is the is the is his album just gonna end up being kind of like an NF t thing or something where it's like, it doesn't you can't actually own it right. You can absorb it. That's that's

Jeff:

what that's what I read that that's what he wanted to do. He wanted to be the first person to drop a non physical album that nobody can actually purchase. I don't I don't even know what you could call it. I guess NF T and NF t album. That's a guy you want. Like, it's so fucking dead. But like, the premise is the premise is that you can watch it on TV, you can maybe YouTube the songs, you can listen to the songs on the radio, but you just can't actually buy it. It won't be on the streaming, you know, apps, and it won't be on physical form or anything like that. Yo, fuck this dude, next topic.

Mikey:

You guys should start releasing the podcast on cassette tapes. Like be the anticon is like

Jeff:

Yo, I still got my Walkman players B with three buttons. I should only have play. Oh, yeah. Stop. And fast forward. That's all. It ain't even had a rewind button.

Unknown:

You know, your Walkman was five we had to record one. So you can play the radio and record your songs on like, my take? Yeah, definitely. Fire

Mikey:

hovering over that record button like oh,

Jeff:

yeah, I have so many tapes where you hit hot 97 and then the song would come with no curses. Do just some

Mikey:

of you guys know. Being the white hip hop kid in Colorado where we had zero fucking radio stations that played anything good. My family and friends in New York City used to just record like, you know, stretch and bobbito and all these different shows and send me like boxes of just like 20 tapes at a time.

Unknown:

Oh, sure. 89 89.9 Yeah, that's dope. frickin Bob, you know, the 89.8 Yeah. Then it was entered occasionally came on. Yep.

Jeff:

Yeah, but it was just that and how 97 you know, saying, because we ain't even had power 105 power 105 and come to like later, like late 90s, early 2000s. But anyways, moving on. Yo, we touched a little bit on the milk crate challenge last week, but this week motherfuckers are actually dying, bro. Like, there's already been like a couple of reported deaths. So my question is, why are we so stupid bro as a fucking culture? Like, why? Why do we do stupid shit like this? Just for clicks and views and likes on a fucking Facebook and tick tock and shit.

Mikey:

I mean, dude, I read something recently where there's like, I don't know if it's over 100 but let's just say 50 people a year die fallen into the Grand Canyon taking selfies.

Jeff:

Yeah. This is Darwinism, but this is people just dying in their backyard on some crates, bro. They go and I've seen a video of the one shake worse. I've seen this one chick and it's a heavyset chick. I'm not saying anything against you know, heavier people but this is not the challenge for you. You are you're not you know, this is not for you. You know, I mean, you're heavy said they go up to the top of the crates. They have nowhere to go but down from there and the chick falls, you know, headfirst like backwards. And she's just laying there. They're like in some parking lot and people are recording the shit. And then you see like a pool of blood coming out from the back of her head. And then there's like another video where like ambulance come and they're taking her away. I'm like, get the fuck out of here, bro. Like people are actually fucking getting hurt with this shit like seriously hurt

Mikey:

but didn't Did anybody actually died doing the milk crate challenge or was it those people that were shot?

Jeff:

No people are dying like I know there was the one where there was a drive by and people got shot Yeah, there was like two people killed or something I'm telling you about one that I saw where the chick falls back lands on her head and the pool of blood just comes out you just see the pool of blood coming out of the back and she died eventually in the hospital. This dude

Mikey:

How tall is the tallest? I mean, it's like there are people that die every day like stepping off a curb wrong, right? Like Of course you're gonna fuckin risk your life doing that but it's I you know, I don't know. I blame the internet for everything dude.

Jeff:

Oh yeah, because that's what this is this type of I don't even know what to call this guy. I was I was gonna say canceled culture but this is not canceled culture. This is like groupthink. This is like social media culture where you know you have to do shit for likes. You got to get followers and likes and shit. You know, you got to post it on. Oh, UT cloud cloud Yeah, that's what it is allowed to cloud so we're gonna call this the cloud lecture cuz the whole thing

Unknown:

is you're not in I've been doing it for like profit like it's like you're the jackass generation but you're doing it for free. Right right

Jeff:

jackass there at least making millions of dollars getting tv deals and shit to do the dumpster

Anthony:

they do doing shows doing movies shit like that. You just meaning yourself for the sake of maiming yourself. You couldn't pay my big ass to do this shit at all. Like Like I don't I don't like climbing stairs you think I'm gonna finish the fucking crates back to nowhere and fall out the sky? My look my insurance is fire when I went through all the shit I went through a COVID and I got that bill was like $90,000 and said had to pay zero. But I'm not going to the hospital for this man. I like a broken toe. It's a stuffy nose yet but they're telling me that I come to me to tell me somehow I've run around all this county and scrimmages up all these creeks just to walk.

Unknown:

Y'all the dummies all y'all man, y'all. I mean, I don't want to eat deserve to die but but maned Yeah, you know what, you know what can happen and that's the audio I have the audio click I'm gonna promote this next week.

Mikey:

I spent like the last two weeks at like the chiropractor and a bunch of like massage therapists because I threw my back out while sleeping. Oh wow. So I'm definitely not fucking doing the milk crate challenge like I'm a fragile man.

Jeff:

Yeah, paralyzed right now boy. Definitely like when Mike Tyson told the commentator I have a back My back is broken. The guy was like, What do you mean? He was like, what kind of injuries spinal he was like in spinal but I let me move on man. The next topic is kind of I don't want to say sensitive because that's not something that I've personally gone through. But it's just something that I see a lot and I've seen you know, friends of mine and relatives even have to go through it. It sucks. You know like when when you either break up or you divorce or when you have a child with a girl and then of course of forcing you to pay crazy amounts of money on child support. But the next case and as probably heard about this one is the PJ Washington I Well, if you haven't heard the story, the NBA player PJ Washington, he's taken a lot of heat the heat from the Charlotte Hornets, okay and he's been hit with paying $200,000 a month and child support payments his ex girlfriend Brittany Renner problem is a video has surfaced from her of her saying that athletes are dumb. And if you want to get a bag, get an athlete because they don't wrap it up. Social media saying she should trapped him on purpose. And, yeah. And what's your take on that? She didn't prove them wrong that did she know. But she said, I think I really forced the man of give this girl $200,000 like, though I shouldn't be responsible for having to for keeping up with the lifestyle that you got used to live in while you were with me. You know, I'm saying it's not it's not the life that we all know that it's not the lifestyle, they calculated income, they come up with a number like people always like forget about the child support things that is not random. They really find out what your income is data, data data, and there's a number that comes up once you put all of the deductions in. This is what you pay for, what he's valued at, and what his yearly salary is. That's what he has to pay. I think it's like things like 30%. So 200,000 times 12 is 2.4 million. So yeah, but that, but she didn't lie, though. She didn't lie. She said, right. They're idiots. They don't wear condoms. And what do you do not wear condoms?

Mikey:

I know. That's my argument. Jeff and I were talking about it before and I was like, dude, I just I don't feel that badly for him. Because it's like, you know, he's an adult man. He should know what the you know what the risks are, when you have sex with someone, you can have a baby. And, you know, he didn't wrap it up. He didn't get proved wrong. And, you know, ultimately, she does have his kid that she's supporting. It seems like a lot of money, but he's making a lot of money.

Jeff:

I don't know, man, I'd say the guys, obviously, they should stop sleeping with these women or strap up when they do. But another thing is they should say, look,

Mikey:

strap up no matter what, this is a pro con podcast. But

Jeff:

how about you ask for full custody of the child? Does that change things for him that I'm saying? In general, if you're the guy that's supposed to give this money to the girl, how about if you ask when you go to court, you say I'm gonna take full responsibility of this child and I'm gonna you're gonna live with me. That way. You don't even have to grow no money.

Mikey:

Yeah, but the court oftentimes finds for the mother, she's willing to be in the baby's life, which I get,

Jeff:

right? But instead of having this guy, you have to pay this girl because this money is obviously going to the girl instead of having to pay her all this money. How about you say, okay, you have two options, you either pay her $200,000 a month, or you get full custody of the baby, and you're responsible for making sure that this child is good.

Mikey:

Because she doesn't have any, but then she doesn't have any custody. I just don't think that's gonna I mean,

Jeff:

you can see her every other week or every week or whatever you want. Just like the guy, you know, would. Yeah, I don't know. You know, I'm saying like, why does Why does the kid automatically have to go live with the mother? Like if I'm the breadwinner? You know? Shouldn't a kid have to go to work to the parent that is going to provide a better lifestyle for them? Isn't that an option?

Unknown:

It generally goes to the parent whoever provides the most stable household.

Jeff:

Yeah, but why does that always have to be the female even though the man has to provide all the money? Or the

Unknown:

Alright, didn't keep it very simple. You don't fuck out the women. Around you're gonna find out the answer to that question. What is the moral of the story ultimately, you can't go nowhere. Like I want to go out but I gotta watch my son if we can get a peacemaker

Anthony:

to drop him off your ex's house but you're gonna have to pay that 200,000 No, no, no, no, no, no, you can stay right here. I mean, like I said, it's the thing with child support is that this is the conclusion from when it comes down to money it's not a money thing like I said, you want to you want to try to make sure I say this right? If you were if you were responsible in the first fucking place you wouldn't fall into this problem. And I know us a lot and I know pussy feels really really good. Like what is what is tight is like, but if you don't want to kid I advise you to put a rubber on understand that it breaks but it's not like a break. Like there's like a fucking 68% like failure rate. It's like like 96 97% good that it's not gonna break like Barry, but I think they do your part. I think they shouldn't wear a

Mikey:

condom. And would you say

Jeff:

I think it's an epidemic especially with these ballplayers because like for example, look at Carmelo Anthony bro.

Mikey:

He saw so quickly come on how every but that's the everybody gets finessed. Everybody gets finessed. No, I just I just have always when I was single, and when I was sleeping with different people, I was the most careful person I put all the stopgap measures in place. It was like I'm wearing protection. And I'm pulling out you're pregnant. Like 10 minutes early. I'm just gonna listen. Watch the program and then I'll finish in 25 minutes you'd like then I got it from here Don't worry.

Jeff:

Like we had a whole episode The whole Carmelo Anthony and Lala divorce situation like yeah, you know, he had multiple kids outside the marriage and she forgave him, you know, basically the first time but now he had more kids. Like how does that happen? Like you're already married to one of the Sexiest Women you know you've been married for the longest time you have a son already together. And then you had a kid outside and now you had another kid

Mikey:

with a no end dude. And you know, and you know you're fertile. Like you know that you can have many kids so why not be super careful and don't fucking give me some sob story that you have to pay money. You knew what you're gonna you know what you're doing.

Jeff:

I should have been his I should have had a vasectomy as I was called. The SEC me. Sure he should have had to have me after the first child out of wedlock. And then his wife will be like, Damn, why are you why we're trying to get pregnant? Why haven't I been I have brown oh baby. I don't know why you haven't gotten pregnant man. Oh no,

Mikey:

I did remember you have an ice on your balls for a week there. No, no, I was just it was hot.

Jeff:

That was my trainer you know said my trainer told me to be a trainer I pulled. I pulled my scrotum

Unknown:

cannon man Palooza growing and be happy Can I relax? Can I get a minute there you see Oh, this one

Jeff:

man you're always fighting man. I get a sports injury and I got to put some ice on this shit. You harassing me?

Unknown:

You ain't you ain't bring me no ice. No, I had to go get it myself. Me and my me and my sword. So grown. No, it's wrong. It's growing nice. Specifically, it's made out of a different type of water. She's like no king. Can we do something? Yeah, my growing is injured. The funhouse is closed until further notice I got here. What is this Pee Wee's Playhouse. Oh my god was Laurence Fishburne name one day? Oh, it was a cow. Yeah, he was this dude. Yo.

Jeff:

Yo, I grew up on peewee. Yo, my mom used to record the shift format of VHS and then just playing just to sit me down on the living room. What she did her shores. And I would sit there all day watching fucking Pee Wee Herman the Playhouse Yo, cowboy. What you mean like the actual that thing? They have it on Netflix. You should watch it. It's fucking

Mikey:

it's it's a it's super funny. And it's like, you know, shit. This

Jeff:

was a kid show notice shit. Right? Yeah. Because it's like, you know what it was? Yeah, it was originally it was originally an HBO special. Right? It wasn't even meant to be for adults. And you know, the network picked it up and was like, Yo, this is funny that you know, this is the kids might like this shit. Let's just tone it down a bit. They won't notice the sexual innuendos that you're referencing. But when you look at the shit now there's all types of sexual innuendos and references.

Mikey:

I mean, dude, it's like a drug fueled drag party. Like it's like it's awesome.

Jeff:

I love it. Like how the hell was this Saturday morning cartoons shit, bro. This is an adult show. I remember the one episode I was watching and obviously when I was a kid, I didn't notice this. One of the the Princess of the queen, the lady that used to show up, you know, literally, her boobs all hours. She had the skirt on. Hi Pee Wee. She would come on and pee. We had like a mirror on his shoe. He would put like a mirror on his shoe. And he would like step in for Hey, how you doing Mrs. Whatever. And he would have his foot you know, underneath like her her skirt. And he'd be looking like, ah, he'd be looking at and I'm like, you know, it was funny as a kid. I'm like, I don't know what he's doing. You look at it. Now you're like, Damn, he was looking up a skirt with a mirror on a sexual assault.

Mikey:

that come out of peewee. But it's like, Who was that Dave Chappelle talked about watching Pepe lepew and he's like watching people abuse and adult like what kind of rapist is this guy? Like, come down

Jeff:

Come on. You're right there. I mean, think about that. You're right. A sexual assault. Yeah, shit. All right. Well, the fact the fact that you didn't think about He's like,

Unknown:

yes, motherfucker. Let me walk around with my fucking Air Force window with a mirror in front of it.

Mikey:

So shiny. I just want to do my reflection real quick. But

Jeff:

But, but the Pepe lepew was going after a cat right? It wasn't like another skunk right? Wasn't Yeah, no, it was because he would paint

Unknown:

they always walked underneath something and got the white stripes on their back to the skunk right right. kind of puts you even after that's assassin

Mikey:

interspecies erotica is not a kind of rapist he ain't it pet

Jeff:

she is not it. But yo but before we go on a break, I want to I want to do the GED or Word of the Week and this is a word that I use a lot my wife actually even uses I think my wife uses more than me. And it's the word word. w o rd. And according to urban dictionary, it means has multiple meanings it means well said it is said an agreement can be used as a greeting for example Hey what's up? Yo you go under that rocks. You going to rock tonight word up. I don't know that's the center they use. It goes we're checking in the history of it is word is shortened form of the phrase my word is my bond, which was originated by inmates in US prisons, the longer phrase was shortened to word is bond, which I used to use a lot before before becoming word which is most commonly used that basically means truth or to speak the truth. Yo, I fought 12 bitches last night word. You speak the truth or word? I speak the truth. It can also be a question word. It could be used as a question as well. Anyway, that was the that was urban dictionary. Yeah, I use that word a lot. My wife uses it a lot to inadvertently like I'll tell her like Yo, babe, we're gonna go out tonight she like we're we're I'll be like damn, pizza bang and babe. She's like word like she uses Oh, so we're gonna get into putting tonight word for word. And you can use it like multiple times in a row and it could mean different shit. Like, like Got that it can be a question like word word. Okay word word. Are you gonna like we're like fine I

Mikey:

can depend on the intonation you can hit every meaning. We say palabora or I say palabora. A lot of DC palabora. Like say word

Jeff:

say word. decent amount. I Bala yo we used to say that now that you mentioned that say palabra say word. It's a word. Is

Mikey:

that the best? Well, I wonder is word the most? What's the word I want to use? word the most commonly used kind of like, like hip hop word that's now been taken into kind of like every culture because I mean there's a lot of people that say word or like word Yeah, it feels like one of the big you know

Jeff:

which one you know which one I think is bad. I'm gonna spoil this because I could have used this next week on get a word of the week. I think the most commonly used one is my bad because I hear analysts commentators, I hit the shit on ESPN. I hear all type of you my but that's my bad you don't I mean, like, everybody's just adopted that word. Like that's like the universal phrase for like, I'm sorry, your mistake. Yeah, word. But Yo, we'll

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Jeff:

we back you I wanted to get into this topic This is the main event for me because I want to get your take on this because you can't because then got no job is the nori Noriega, the nori and the Wu Tang beef. Okay, now we all know that Wu Tang clan, aint nuthing to fuck wit do we all agree on that?

Mikey:

Agreed?

Anthony:

Sure.

Jeff:

Word. Okay. So Noriega goes and he, you know, he's on his drink champs podcast, I want to play the clip. Because he said some things about some Wu Tang affiliates. He didn't say anything about the original members, you know, but he says that about the affiliates like the killer army guys like the Wu Tang killaby you guys, right? So this is what he had to say on the episode I apologize, the sons of man. They don't even exist. So he basically talks about shot him kill the army. They're like, yo, he called them a flunky, right? Because he's like, yo, that's basically what they are. But I feel like you gotta respect anybody who's associated with with that just because from from past history, you know, I'm saying, from past history, you just you got to know I think it's a universal wall. If you're in hip hop, you know, not to mention anybody from Wu Tang. If you learned from the past, if you learned from Joe button. If you learn from Action Bronson. You just don't mention anybody. If I was a rapper, there's only maybe a handful of maybe only two people that I would never mention. Wu Tang is one of them. And maybe m&m or maybe m&ms daughter because you come after you That's it. Everybody all everybody in I mean, it's fair game and

Mikey:

zoom screen box crying. He's laughing so hard that he's crying, but Shaquille

Jeff:

he went online and he was talking shit. If I could find that shot him He goes, No, that's what he went this way. Shaheen was on he'd been alive or whatever. And he did share. He went on Instagram. He says fuck out of here. Fuck you talking about weed a true and live in seven? He goes. And worse. Get drunk and run a mouth. I don't know what you're talking about. I never been nobody's flunky or non existent. I am the true and living God. I'm in present time and word fuck out of here flunky and word. I'm Shawn Haim and my albums is better than your albums fuck out of here go against my killer B's then he goes, and we're always trying to separate the W like the Klan was The only people that put off for the Ws he continued sons of man killer army Shaheen bro yo fam wolf syndicate we put on to for the W he goes somebody else who you call it a flunky. Watch your mouth when you say my name, pussies. big words, big words. He put that on the official Instagram. So Anthony doesn't agree. I get it.

Anthony:

They're not the original eight or nine members. They're not the Wu Tang clan. They're Wu Tang affiliates. They're the killer bees. They're the guys that really nobody knows about that nobody can name a song. I can't To be honest, the only reason I know Shaheen kill army sons of man is because they've you know, because I'm a big like Mega Man fan and though and I remember them being on tracks with them guys, you know, I'm saying Otherwise, I wouldn't know I can't name a song by them. Just them. I can't name any albums of theirs. That being said, nor you knows better. You know, I'm saying obviously it was drunk probably when he said that shit he said, but he should know better than to say some shit because you know, the all of them this they run like 100 deep, you know, they're all gonna come at you. And I'm gonna let you speak. Somebody got carried away from this job. I don't know what to tell you man. Like I like I understand like, so there was a point in time where they they might have had an impact on the culture. There was a time when quantum may had an impact with a coach and there's a time when Jared did damage and did there was a time was a man. There's a guy rock his record named shabam Sadiq there was a nice guy who really Ron, you have a moment that's it. It comes in and goes if you don't find a way to create stability and a revenue stream from that point forward. You get lost in the end of the time. You are You are important to a point Yeah, but they weren't like I said the whole thing about the Wu Tang clan is isn't wasn't that it's a clan is that it's a bunch of individual MCs who are fired on their own and it was a group just because they decided to go together. But they would have been successful on their own unless you kill an army. You can't name anybody out of it because it's a group. It's a group that has disappeared. The grave diggers was a group they disappeared. Shaheen was the thing about him that he could run he was young so he's about your age like young he's around my age maybe can be a part of all sorts of folks today with some kind of connection with him, but it's not the same and understand like I said, I laugh because the call to flunkies is super hilarious the way he said it without no hesitation it's a really funny word to use. You know how to call him up

Jeff:

shit like hold my weed and hold my gun something happens you run away. I mean I carry my blunt fun relax.

Mikey:

I had all of their like I had shot him I had so I mean Sunday man had some really good songs but like I had all of their white tape singles and that was about as far as my love affair with any of them went I mean they you know they just didn't come I mean you can't compare yourself with Wu Tang clan even if you are an you know an affiliate member like a flunkies a harsh word to use for it but it's funny shit

Jeff:

but like these are like me I was talking about this before on the phone and like yeah, these are guys that are probably still on the block like met them Manning in Staten Island the more these guys is out you know i mean they mansions or wherever they suburb they live in, you know the killer armies and the killaby guys, they're probably still on the block. You know what I mean? And Noriega he's in Miami. You don't even be in New York no more. They just, they just got a new show the hip hop loving hip hop Miami and Noriega is on it with his wife. He's in Miami. He records his podcast out of Miami. He knows that he's in Miami Beach he probably don't even come to New York you probably never even gonna run into these guys. But oh and check this out guys we have breaking news and I because because my credit because my question that I was gonna ask you guys is should Noriega apologize and before I tell you what the breaking new is we what are your opinion on that? I don't I don't think he's apologized for shit. Okay,

Mikey:

well guess what? It's I mean, it was it was a harsh comment on people not having successful careers but like, I don't know, dude, you're calling it like it is don't

Unknown:

dog I'm saying worse. The people on a Tuesday.

Mikey:

Definitely check this out. flunky views are calling someone a rat

Jeff:

finger breaking news, oh, Noriega has apologized. And now and I'll read it and I'll read his comments. noriega said we want to be clear, our show was fun. Our show was about giving flowers Our show is about showing love. Every now and then, you know, we might joke a little too much and say something that we wasn't supposed to say. But our show is about giving flowers and especially to people who've been there before us. Been there as we was there. And definitely after we were there. We have always been about that, especially to Wu Tang or any Wu Tang affiliates. But for us using that word, we are extremely wrong. I was extremely wrong. I was the person that used the word so I'm gonna take blame of that and say I'm extremely wrong. He never said the word sorry or apologize though. I think he felt that he never wants it. I think he saw that shot him posting videos and threatened his life. He probably got a little shut. His man's probably call them fragile Nobody told them like Look man, you might not want to you know, I mean you might want to poke the bear you might want to just apologize and get it over with you know before Papa boo shows up in your doors some shit before ninth Prince from kill army comes after you in his bathrobe why remember that dude? I got to be a referral. Why would he showed up?

Mikey:

There was we were just we were eating brunch this morning there was a person in the bathroom next to us and I was like, Fuck, that person is winning everything I want to be in my life. He has slippers on with no socks. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah.

Unknown:

He's like, like a ghost. You're gonna you're gonna use that real quick. I want to start let me borrow your shit real quick. Here you go, man. He just never gave it back. Like right now who this is nice. He scratched out Tony Stark in a bad poke papa. Whoo. Before this Paisley.

Jeff:

Let me just give you a rundown of the people that have that Wu Tang have had to step two. Just you know, just just to advise before anybody you know, in the hip hop community wants to mention a wall member. And it just you know, I'm saying this warning. All right. So first of all, we all know that the biggest enemies is amongst themselves. Nobody who has beefed or bickered with each other more than the wool members themselves. That's been publicized. They all had beef with Reza, they all talk shit about each other on interviews. They've all had problems with each other. But if you want if anybody says anybody from outside of the family says anything about a wolf member, they all attack you. And that's the shit I like, I admired that shit about that about them because I feel like and, like, in my personal life with my family, like my, you know, my siblings or whatever my cousins, I feel like we're like that, you know, I'm saying like, we're we can fight with each other, but we always have each other's back type of shit. And you know, I mean, Toto I mentioned Joe Budden. We all know what happened when Joe Budden came out of his face and mentioned met the man years ago. Remember, when he said, You know, he said he was better than met the man and met the man doesn't deserve to be on the list of the top MCs. It was a rat, they came at him, he got punched in the face. recon denies that it was him, but it was one of the Wu Tang affiliates that you know, those are the guys that do the work dirty work. And that's why I was telling Anthony before when he was on the phone, I was like, yo, you gotta respect these guys. Because these are the guys that do the dirty work for the main guys. You know, I'm saying, like you said, Yeah, they hold your gun, they hold your weed, but they handle your business too. They handle your street share, they handle whatever problems you're not I mean, the Wu is respected because of the affiliates. You didn't say you're never gonna hear and who say met them and got into a fight with somebody not the affiliates are gonna handle that for you so you don't get your hands dirty. You go make the money and we'll

Mikey:

talk about and what we really not talked about is shot him when he got his report card from the Wu Tang clan. He got a B plus like he was definitely not a funky he didn't want let's see his report card. He's an honest student forever.

Jeff:

He is another person that I want to mention that had a little beef with Wu Tang is a journalist by the writer by the name of CIO Coker. I'm gonna tell you real quick what his beef was. And you heard about this, right?

Anthony:

I know who he is. He's a guy that um, he's a he's a screenwriter for I'm not used to write for the soul, right? And he's also screenwriting from Okay,

Jeff:

so check this out. Oh, really? Writing so Right, exactly. So check us out. So master killer, clan member master killer. There was an article and magazine rap pages, right. And the story featured a caricatures style illustration about the group. And he wasn't completely on board with the drawing. Like he didn't like the way they were being portrayed. Right. So, so they went looking for the writer of the piece of the writer was to Coker. But he wasn't the actual Illustrator. He didn't he wasn't the person who drew the caricatures. He was just the writer of the piece. So so they went, they came to interview him for the full story, the rapper decided to make his feelings known by unleashing a nasty tirade and straight up punching him in the eye. Coker tried to explain to master killer that he was merely the writer of the piece, and that he had nothing to do with the illustrations. Another man member challenged the writer about the fact that they hadn't made it on the cover of the magazine which was another thing that Cobra had nothing to do with. And the end Coker ended up leaving the situation without pressing charges. Though he later said today the first call I make is to Law Offices of Johnnie Cochran that was the statement at the time.

Mikey:

I mean, dude, I'm just looking at the pitch the illustrations from that article and wow, none of them are are great, right? None of them are

Jeff:

what I'm saying like Yo, you catch them on a bad day they get offended or anything you said or wrote or drew and they come at you they're gonna find you bro.

Mikey:

Dude, look at this picture Method Man from that article. They made only kind of fruity. He looks real. He just looks he looks like he's got an attitude. Looking at like dagger, and then dag and then I think I don't know that. I don't know that story. I think that's I mean I like that they actually go after people like Ed Wood. They will punch the punch you in the face, bro. I mean, this is the what was the thing that I heard about them on? Well because you know because Reza when he did the grave diggers project I was with Prince Paul and kind of you know, it was seen as like, well likely Wu Tang affiliated like and I think a lot of the original members didn't want them to be affiliated and fruta Kwan and whatever the guy's name was grave biggest guy. But there was another situation where that where something happened. You know what I'm talking about where they punch somebody,

Anthony:

I guess. They have a tendency to just punch Tang clan? Yeah, yeah, like like, right or wrong. like Yo, like, like CIO had nothing to do with that. Like we beaten his ads because you hear like, Yo, I don't draw. You know, the person who drew this. So send them a message back. Yes. Show him this. Whoa. No, no, just just because I know I'm like, yo, like, we went to school together. We never had one single class. I don't mean I know him. We're gonna say yearbook. So what?

Jeff:

I think my favorite one was the Action Bronson though. Action Bronson was just guilty of signing of sounding like Ghostface killah. Ray Kroc goes right? Where he made the mistake is when he went on ESPN and they asked him about sounding like goals based and he said Nah, goes facing rapping like this. That's what he messed up. Can we simply say like, Yo, I look up to the man and he later on he would say stuff like that, like yeah, after you know, after they stepped to him. He would say like, no, I respect you. I look up but at the moment, he should have said no, I respect ghosts face. I don't mean to sound like him my voice just you know. Yeah, maybe I might have some type of influenced by him. But this is what my voice is. Did you would have just kept it like that. But no, he had to go and say some shit like nah. Hey, rapid like this. And then of course, you know, those phase made all type of decisions and made videos dissing them. And then Papa Wu went up to him and had a conversation they have you could find out on YouTube. I don't know if they ever put hands on him. You know? Bronson is a big boy. I don't know if anybody put hands on him. But I know there's videos and you can see like, he's being surrounded by like real affiliates. And Papa Wu pulled them aside and had a conversation with him. like, yo, you just can't be saying shit like that. If you're going to mention anybody from the womb, saying you got to be prepared for the consequences or repercussions of this shit. And a better life man. Don't fucking don't pull me out like that man goes, if we can even have the conversation you can pull me aside to have that if you got eight neighbors around me. Like Rick has said we're Ray Quan was interviewed and asked him about like the Joe Budden beef with met demand and Action Bronson on it. He said, Look, he was like, yo, you can have your opinion, you know, I'm saying, but if you're gonna question somebody's credibility, you have to be credible. That's the way Craig quants said it. You know, I'm saying, if you're going to question any of our credibility, credibility, you got to make sure that you're credible. Cuz we're gonna check you on that.

Mikey:

Yeah, and an Action Bronson. You're dreaming if you think that you have a career like ghosts. I mean, I like Action Bronson a lot. He's dope, but he's like, he's more famous

Jeff:

for being you know, for having cooking shows and being a pothead and having, you know, he's on TV and all of this shit,

Mikey:

you know, being high and watching ancient aliens. So, you know, I think he's more famous than that at first, right? Yeah. And he's fine. Don't punch up like that.

Jeff:

I like when I like when Joe Budden got punched in the face that he went and started making videos and he was on YouTube with like an ice pack on his face. You ever seen him? You could go on YouTube video, he got punched in the face by Ray quanta, whoever. He's like, he goes right away. He goes to his house and starts recording like yeah, Yo, I just got pushed by Wu Tang members. He got the ice pack.

Anthony:

The world's one of the world's first bloggers, the world's first bloggers. he hopped right on and started telling like Yo, they punched me in the face man. Got a bag of peas on his face. This didn't feel good, play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Jeff:

But y'all want our patrons to be on the lookout for the vs battles that we're gonna do? We might or may not have Mikey she'll be the judge. We're gonna do Jay Z vs dies, amongst some others. So stay tuned for that. That'll be they'll be popping up within the next few days on the Patreon website, but thanks for tuning in mango holla at our social medias, click the links in the show notes

Unknown:

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