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Oct. 24, 2022

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Anthony is done with Kanye and Drink Champs. At which point do we cancel him?
Also, should you work a 9 to 5, or should you own your own business?

Topics Discussed:

  • When does the Culture finally cancel Kanye, or do we seek to get him help?
  • Pros and cons of owning a business
  • The freedoms of working a 9 to 5

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Transcript
Jeff:

Hey good afternoon everybody. Hey, thank you for tuning into the coach. And that was my reporting and I know I don't care that was my best Mad Dog Russo impersonation. What do you do but

Anthony:

you got angry. And I want to get

Jeff:

good afternoon everybody fuck the eggs. We're gonna talk about them today

Anthony:

so angry totally gonna fuck that up.

Jeff:

But yeah, it was good man.

Anthony:

It was good not bad up. I don't know why a woman that biscuit tastes better than the first one sometime but dishes cracking Oh no,

Jeff:

the best biscuit. The best biscuits of all times. I don't want from that. laughs I

Anthony:

don't know I don't know. Hey, I think now that kind of overrated

Jeff:

I can't even eat the seafood. I go to Red Lobster just for the biscuits.

Anthony:

But the last time we had to discuss wasn't really hitting like that.

Jeff:

I don't remember has been years. That's the

Anthony:

problem. See? You got that past memory stuck in your mind? Like oh, this sheet is five minutes like not really.

Jeff:

After the pandemic we started buying potty some cheaper bread the recipe change started saving some money.

Anthony:

Yeah, I knew I knew that relapse to have fucked up once I started having to go buy that mix in the store

Jeff:

after that the game was Oh yeah. Like don't shoot yourself man who can't keep making the shift for your

Anthony:

your like game especially no more like this is just whatever so that's where we're at now.

Jeff:

But anyways, shout out to the coach crew or patrons we actually have member UX last week you know to submit questions and shit. Right? So we actually had one of our patrons submit some questions. I figure we can randomly go through maybe one of them sure more if we have some time I want to give a special birthday shout outs to because it was actually my mom's birthday on the 20th and then my wife's birthday is on the 21st so mom deuces to 20 of wife he's a 20 further one day apart from each other and he birthdays Happy Birthday to them the two most important women in my life and I think that's a sign too right like if you start dating somebody and things are going well and shit like that starts happening like coincidences like Damn you my mom got the same birthday Oh yeah day apart you know I mean those are like little signs that she like maybe they're supposed to be the person I'm supposed to be with right

Anthony:

gives me like the synergy life where like how it was supposed to be this thing and somehow the two most important when me life because back to back like that

Jeff:

back to back

Anthony:

maybe so that's a good thing well not really got to one for one than one thing I was like fuck we need to bundle this up

Jeff:

but yeah, let me start off because I know you want to probably get this off your chest. Because you have recently told me that you're not only done with Kanye but you're done with drink Champs is that correct? Yep. Like how can you be done with drink champs Dolman? For giving somebody a platform to speak in. I mean, like nobody said he, you know, yeah, he probably shouldn't have let Kanye cook for as long as he let him cook. But you also don't want to take away somebody's freedom of speech, you know the right to express themselves. You don't want to silence people if you want to make a fool of himself. Let him let them talk let him do it. So people can see who you know who he is.

Anthony:

What's your favorite sports radio program?

Jeff:

I listened to the Michael Kay show on ESPN New York.

Anthony:

Yes. Let's say for an hour and a half Shri Michael K brings on the head of the kk k and let him say whatever he wants to doesn't stop. Doesn't pause him doesn't interject. doesn't try to course correct anything. Just Just whatever the President is kicking, he just lets that person cook. Are you still supporting Mike okay.

Jeff:

Hey, I never thought about that. That might be the last time I listened to the shit.

Anthony:

Right. The issue with Kanye is that when you allow him to go into a particular platform, and he knew a platform he wanted to go on to and like other people said, I think I think Nora said he talked to Charlemagne and he told aka Jay Z and it was like, Don't do it. It did it anyway, he leads the thing. Talking about this man hasn't been had one of the highest rated rated views, shows and drink champs history. So you're not talking about everything else we got going he speaks directly to that. So off the RIP, you don't have a clap. Call them a genius in fashion, music, whatever. Everything they mode is basically all the superlatives about him. He comes in there and don't give me any pushback. Let them answer that ramp for three and a half hours didn't really say much, or anything impactful that he says the thing about, you know, I watched Candace Owens documentary may have fentanyl and his knee wasn't even on his neck like that about George Floyd. Correct. And this is the same do when when George Floyd got killed, he was out there protesting too. Now all of a sudden, he's like, No, he's not he wasn't even on his neck like that. At that moment, Trump in my mind, click like, All right, that's given me everything. I need to know that right there. I don't need to go no further. So at that point, I'm like, this is that because it's a bunch of other places that he could have went to. This is the only place that crellick He's going to he's jumping on Piers Morgan, he's jumped on Tucker Carlson. Was somebody else too. I can remember the other guy. But outlet that's usually for people of color. He jumps on that because there wasn't gonna be a push back there. He could have went on button he could have went on somewhere else where they were going to be kind of going on like burgundy. Someone's like that, where Charlemagne and Andrew pray would push back more on everything that would have to O'Boyle like the prayer like we don't want them to do it. So we're not going to fight you on nor get the devil out. He did that had a man come on here ramble about shit. I'm not going to get into the whole anti semitism thing. I just personally believe that it's wrong. I think there's certain matters that are being created and being pushed about that community that are unfair. But the fact that a person who went out and marched in those rallies about George Floyd officers now like, well, he didn't really die like that man, and he wasn't really on his neck like that. That means he's on a completely different plane of sanity, I got nothing to do with them. And the fact that none of them actually checked him or even stopped, it means like, I don't need to be doing a show at all. And then one says about freedom of speech, you know, when he gets so bad, you did this for all these views and likes and everything else like that. The revolt eventually ends up pulling it down. So if you saw it, I mean, it's gonna float down the internet, of course. But the whole idea of like, this being your big thing, like we're gonna break so many of us were watching this on. Now, once I saw that, and I thought, This is how they're gonna give it up with me like, Nah, I'm cool. I'm cool. And it's like, I know yesterday, like when we Cravo and take off. Like, that's interesting, didn't even watch it. I'm just not doing that no more, I'm not supporting that product. If at a time when this person is doing everything he can to destroy himself. You're not saying anything, like, maybe need to get some help needing to talk to somebody maybe the same to place for you just got to keep feeding drinks, and keep feeding them smoking thing, all the shit can work out and everyone is having a good time. It's not a good old time. It's a man in peril. Just let him be whatever you want to be. And I get freedom of speech and everything else today, he had the right to say whatever he had to do. But as a company we had to have you be able to do that. And you'll be able to say that, but also we have the right to not show this. Like he did that with the Lebron show. They did it. They record it. He's back in his washer. Like we're not showing that you're allowed freedom of speech. We also have the right not to show the shit they decided to show it so they didn't violate his rights, anything else like that, but he was like, this has gone too far and killed it. So that's why I'm off

Jeff:

that. Like, I'm not even gonna we're not even gonna discuss like some of the she was saying about Jews and stuff like that. But he lost me when he said that. The officer didn't even really have his knee on George Floyd's neck. I was like, Yo, did you watch the video? Because I watched it. His knee was on the neck. Was it? Was it a found fentanyl in his body or whatever? That's irrelevant. And I'm wondering if somebody like math, Hoffa will give him a platform to go up on the on the on the on that barbershop I know I know somebody who will because he doesn't give a fuck and he loves clown he do. He'll do it just for the ratings and reviews and shit. Vlad. Vlad will have Kanye on in a minute. Hmm. And it'll be one of the lads most it'll be it'll be one of last most viewed videos on YouTube. He'll make hella money off of it. But what can you do it for free though? You know, I'm saying because I didn't pay nobody nothing.

Anthony:

There was a thing that I saw once. Before and say that let me ask you this question. The people defending Kanye West. Do you feel it's more black men or black women

Jeff:

that are defending Kanye? I think is more black men. I don't think neither but I think it's Caucasians and black men. That's the weird part. You know, because what it is, is in the culture, we give people the benefit of the doubt, if they've done stuff that entertain us that, you know, we respect, or you know what I mean? Like, there's people out there, there's, you know, there's black men, probably women too. That will still bumps from our Kelly and be like, ah, you know what I mean, they'll, you know, turn the other face. Because they love his music. And, and Kanye Yeah, in the culture, he's well respected for his, you know, we love his music, we love his work, at least his old stuff. You know, they respect them for being a producer, what he's meant to the culture, you know, I mean, like, so they've been given him the benefit of the doubt for a while now, for years now. They've been looking the other way, like now you know, whatever is the Kardashians, the Kardashians did something to him, whatever it is. So he just keeps pushing the envelope more and more like I would do, I'd have to do or say, to stop getting support from my own people. That's what it feels like. Like, he's purposely trying to, like, separate himself from his people. As like, oh, like, on his bucket list. Like I if I say some more wild shit, maybe they'll stop supporting me. My focus and like, not Kanye, we still love you. He's like, Damn, I'm gonna have to go a little bit more extremist.

Anthony:

I think part of it is that we can't divorce ourselves from particularly realities. For example, I grew up at a time where a bunch of people will go off to a lot of people's houses, a few people out there. And then we'll get together have chicken sandwiches, beers, drinks, whatever, so on so forth. Let's watch Mike Tyson. Right.

Jeff:

You said the last week. Yeah, that was an event.

Anthony:

Event. That's gonna repeat it again. The problem that you run into is now that we still see that person in that light. Like, okay, remember, it was a couple years ago, people were excited because Mike Tyson was fighting for Jones Jr. And they were like, look at my keys and shape. He still got it. Like, he's still a 50 plus year old man. I'm saying he's in great shape. For 50 plus year old man, but still buying an idea of what was not what is in that fight was shit. It was terrible. It didn't make a whole lot of sense. That pairing in the beginning didn't make a whole lot of sense. Now. I think we do the same thing with Kanye West. You still look at him in a prison of what was not to what is? What is now he's a megalomaniacal, narcissistic, anti semitic, decayed. But we still like Well, he did make fire moves. Yeah, keyword is did good. Last few album sucks. We do the same thing. Again, I'm repeating myself again. The same thing our Kelly there's a tick tock dance where they're doing leg shake. And they're doing a little dance to it so and so forth. Like, y'all know your desk to a known felon. Right? I can separate the one from the two. Can Do I understand that he a person who has violated women of all ages, overstay span of years? Yeah. And also understand that it makes foreign music. Two things can be true at once. And I understand that. But is that the end all be all? No. I think you run into Kanye, you're still seeing this. But everything that he's showing you now shows that that person you thought was is way out here this Nick is on Jupiter. He is not on this planet. He isn't he isn't he has been expelled from Earth. And he's on his own thing. Like now he's trying to create like, branding opportunities. He's trying to create housing and school. I'm like, I don't know how much money you can have. Once it's a dealership drive, but more power to you, you won't get you won't begin to get down from me. But if that's what you want to do, that's just gonna do. But this is this is who we have now. And we don't have to accept this. Just like I'm gonna take it from Kanye, mostly from from drink champs. And I'm saying no to apologize afterwards. But the deal was already done. Because once it was once it was done, and you watch it, you didn't have to project it. You knew what it was, you didn't push back, you let this live for three hours, let them in ramble on about whatever. And going about your way. You enjoy the views while it was there. And now they're gone. They got to rebuild the platform and go forward from there. So do I really care? No. And that's the hence the reason why I'm dismissing myself on both of them. I still have the feeling the need for more to support people that are not doing anything good for anybody actually.

Jeff:

But I think people will own old disregard certain things because of how somebody made you feel in the past. Like I hate to use Michael, again, as an example. But you mentioned Mike Tyson. The culture loves Mike Tyson. You know what I'm saying? A poor kid out of Brownsville Brooklyn, who came from nothing to become a world heavyweight boxing champion. You know what I'm saying? And people have those memories of watching those historic knockouts with the families like you brought up was that was all of us. That was all of our households when Mike was coming on, we knew he was gonna see a five second match. But the house was full of people, we was having food drinks. You know what I mean? It was a gathering. It was an event when Mike Tyson was coming on, we was paying the 5060 $70 for the pay per view or stealing the cable. You know, just to have man people come over to the house just to watch the shift for five seconds. Because it was an event. You don't I mean, and you know that Phil in that Mike gave us. He had the video games he had to call his own cartoons. It shouldn't we all remember this shit growing up. And he's part of the culture. He's in rap, you know, rap lyrics. And he was on the cannabis song, this and LL Cool. J You know what I mean? Like, he was part of the culture. And we completely disregard the fact that, you know, he was high on every drug you could possibly be on. He was, you know, he was violating women, beating on women, you know, going to jail for different, you know, I'm saying we disregarded all that shit, because we loved Mike and we loved what he represented, you know, man, he represented that underdog that came from, from New York, from nothing to become some. And he was part of the culture. You know, I mean, and to an extent, that's the same with Kanye, like, people will disregard a lot of his dumb shit. You know, granted, he's not doing that and violent yet, you know, he's not doing you know, and like, harassing women. And I like that. Hopefully, we'll never get to that point. But he's just out there, just you know, saying outlandish shit. And people are still giving him the platform. They're like, Nah, you know, we still fuck with Kanye, like, we're gonna give him some time. You got to take his meds and shit making excuses for him. Like, at what point? Do we just disown him? Like I will point the way you say he's canceled, you know, saying like you mentioned before, that nobody really gets canceled. But at what time? Do you know somebody get canceled? Man, we'll

Anthony:

throw his shit. Well throw we ship ship? I mean, I'll go ahead and look at your garage. How much have you gotten from making it he just thrown out 30 years ago? Is this there? Right? It is there. We just refuse to do it. Because we think if we let someone go, that we failed, the person who didn't feel the person they failed you this way goes, you don't have to feel a particular way about this because they didn't let you down. No, you didn't let them down, they let you down. And they kept constantly doing you kept giving them chances to figure this out. They never quite did it. So you got to point out, you know, I'm not doing a shoot with children no more, I'm gonna go ahead and let this go. Then you do it and you feel bad about like I shouldn't did that, you know, you did the right thing. You can only give them too many chances to try to understand them. And if they're not giving you the ability to understand them, then you have to go and let them go. If he comes back a year from now, like I really want to work my issues, and I really want to talk about things. Cool, good for you. I still don't care. Because at that moment, when everyone around you trying to sort you out, you still believe that I'm this way is right? This is the right answer this way should go about things. It's still not it. And I feel for him, I do. I feel for that man, I feel for everything that he's going through. Because I seem like a man who's been painted as a man going through a divorce, who's losing his family. And now he's losing his career, losing his company, trying to do everything to hold on to that. So I feel for him. That doesn't mean I need to accept that behavior. As a human, I need to be empathetic to everything that he's going through as a person. I don't have to fuck about him. So that's exactly what I want to do. In my soul, I want that man to heal and get better as a person. He can do whatever the fuck you want to go into, and got nothing to do me. I can listen to his music. And I think twice about anything that he's doing. Because I don't need to read about it care about him that much more, because I've cared about him so long, he's not giving enough back as a not necessarily to me just as the community itself. For this to be feasible, like he just keeps doing ridiculous things. But he's going to open up a school where kids can do parkour, and that they're not going to read and that it sounds like a fucking cult that you got to sign an NDA and pay $15,000 a year to go to the dance school like that apparently, like the person they hired is like, either the principal or the superintendent is like a former actress or some shit like that. And she's working on getting her master's degree. This is all ridiculous. I can think giving people chances but established people try to get things in order, but this is just what he does. And I'm just tired of the spectacle. So once you get tired of watching the clown show to gotta just get the fuck about the channel even that's exactly what I'm going to do.

Jeff:

Would you watch him on his next interview? If he goes on map HOFA or if he goes on flat?

Anthony:

No, because I don't think he'll do that. Especially black. I think blacks gonna let him cook.

Jeff:

Of course he is. Like I said, he's gonna let him cook and he knows he's gonna get hella views. He's gonna monetize the shit out that video. He's gonna make 20 different clips of it because you know how Vlad does he talks to you for like an hour or two but then he chops it up into like a bunch of little 10 minute clips. And each clip is gonna get millions of views.

Anthony:

I don't know when you're dealing with someone who you can honestly tell is going through something like the one thing you want to do is like let them be alone. Let them figure shit out. Because coming on your platform and not coming out the footnote anything that's come to be more they're nonsensical thoughts. And that's my whole problem with him going on anybody at this time? He went on Tucker Carlson. And they tried to be cute trying to cut out the anti semitic part. But somehow someone who got their hands in the film, make sure they put that part in there. It went on Piers Morgan said some more wild shit, and it's all over the place. But like, this is the profit, of course, you're gonna come in here and and keep spewing the same thing, then I don't need you here. And I think if anyone of the culture wants to put them on that, you know what you're dealing with, you know, if something goes wrong, there's gonna be some backlash. That's why we needed to shop they did it. They had it, they saw it. They said, we're not doing this. And do I respect them for it? Yes. I think people have an issue of like, you know, freedom of speech. No, at that time, he had the right to say whatever he wanted to, and we allowed him to do. So. Once we got back and review, like, he said this, you let him said that I mean, we need to show it to nobody. I said, just we're not violating any box, right? You have the right to say whatever you want. You also have the right to get slapped to these things go hand in hand, literally. So if this is the course that he wants to go go place to place to speak to people to people, and keep spreading this misinformation and this deadly talk. go right on ahead. I don't think that the floor of fame is going to get much money out of him in regards to suing them. But if they do get some money out, they deserve every penny because that's a that's a blot on that man's life. And you've said these things all willy nilly, because you just heard the words and sort of documented with somebody else and said, Well, I believe it so I'm gonna go ahead and say it. Nah, man, I'm off him and I'm off all this week.

Jeff:

What is even the last who they saw him for? Like, why like fucking slander in or misinformation?

Anthony:

Ah, excellent question. And that's what I'm gonna wear. I just lost the works out.

Jeff:

Like, I want to know what the actual term would be like, you know, misinformation or fucking defamation, defamation of character.

Anthony:

It might be defamation.

Jeff:

I hope to get some. I mean, he doesn't care. He's a fucking billionaire. Who probably just throw change?

Anthony:

Okay, okay, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine about this. His value is a billion, he might have 10 million in the bank, with the sand is that everything that he has an owns assets. Right? It's like, if you own a house, you might have a job that pays you $50,000 a year, but your net value is maybe 400,000 I'll be taking the value of the house. All that shit adds up together. So because he went on to say that while I should talk to him, I'm the richest black man in American history. The Pharisees damages for defamation, harassment and more.

Jeff:

There you go. And the thing is to like, Okay, you you take into account his assets, but your assets are only worth as much as somebody is willing to pay you for them. You know, I'm saying if he wants to sell his Yeezy brand and nobody wants to buy, then it ain't worth for god damn thing.

Anthony:

Right? Like it's if they drop your own. You're right. You got to make some other shit. And then you got one if people are going to go ahead and love your new shit, and your new shit looks like shit. That's the thing. Yeah. All these collaborations with gap blenz Yaga. DT theaters before, like, outside of Yeezys and I can't say that because they've never really looked fine to me. All the other shit like struggle with it was like holy hoodies and shit like that.

Jeff:

But now he's wearing all this oversized shirt. He looked like a caricature of himself. He looked like something out of a little pomp video with these giant as fucking boots he's wearing and shit.

Anthony:

You know, reminds me reminds me of Missy in the rain video. When like the giant trash bag you guys still in Missy swag. And then he says Wow, shit like, Quentin Tarantino stole the idea of Django Unchained from him when he saw gold digger. And I'm like, How the fuck?

Jeff:

Well, the video gold digger. Yeah, I ain't saying she's a gold digger. But show as crazy as fuck.

Anthony:

Right but he took on tell me like how to how do you get Django Unchained from gold digger?

Jeff:

By shits are unrelated. Yeah, exactly

Anthony:

like, it keeps saying unrelated shit and people like, oh, man, that man's a genius. That means he doing life isn't four dimensional chess. I want to say that one more time. To motherfuckers who say things like this? You know you playing chess not checkers. Don't have never played chess. Please stop. You felt like an idiot. Like, again. Chess isn't a game of life is a game strategy. Where everything being equal, so it's not chess. He's not playing chess. You just not mentally well. Y'all keep letting this shit slide. This is not this not when we're not seeing the move things. I'm seeing this board clearer than a motherfucker. This man is going through some shit. He's not well mentally. And he needs to take a timeout and take away just the step back from alarm like a little bit but he can't help himself because he's too deep into it. Stop saying stupid shit like that. Go on, move on to get the fucking work. If you don't, you don't fuck on. Yeah,

Jeff:

that's simple. Hopefully he gets the help he needs because historically the culture has never been good at you know, providing help when people need it. We just let them cook And then when he passed away or god forbid something happens to them. You know, I'm saying that like, Damn, he was a great person he was dissing that we should have did more to help them, you know, I mean, like in the case of DMX and people like that.

Anthony:

We suck at mental health. Oh, you really fucking suck.

Jeff:

Let's just ignore it historically.

Anthony:

Right? And it caused so many people realize so many people that I've known that like, like, attempted suicide and like, are they planning and looking for attention? No, they're in pain.

Jeff:

Mental health, mental health and addiction, bro. are two things that we just ignore like DMX was addicted to drugs, you know, saying Michael Jackson, whatever his addictions whereas he clearly had mental health issues. You know, I'm saying to transform himself from a young black man to an old white lady like that takes mental some some type of mental illness. You didn't mean? And we just ignore all that shit. Like now we love his music. Hey, nothing wrong with him.

Anthony:

Yeah, that's the whole thing. As long as you keep entertaining us no problem. The moment you stop this issue once our Kelly stop entertaining you and start getting real deep into all his sexual shenanigans. Shit, all of a sudden, like, Oh, he's a problem. No, he's been in prom. Dress like that music a little bit too much fuck out of here.

Jeff:

But I always take a very quick break, man, when we come back. Should you work a nine to five or own a business? We'll discuss that.

Unknown:

Yeah. They represent a culture to represent like, the culture podcast.

Jeff:

We bagman so yeah, so I told you before that our patrons were submitting questions. One of the questions that stood out to me and I figured we'd discuss it this week was should you work a nine to five or own a business for mental emotional and or physical health and or wealth? And this is a topic that I've thought about a lot. Um, I have I know people very close to me that own businesses, right? I'm sure you probably do too. And, you know, I'm saying I work a nine to five, you work a nine to five. And there's there's pros and cons to both. Just like everything. I feel that people that do own businesses oftentimes look down on people that work regular jobs, right? Or they feel like Yo, you know, you need to work for yourself, man. Just stop working for the man. You know, make your own hours. No, and I get that I respect that. But that's one of the things I say in my book. Correct. And I hate that. And I hate that phrase that you can make your own hours. You know why? Because you really can't. When you own a business, you're actually working more hours than somebody who works nine to five and has a set schedule. You can't just take days off when you own a business. You can't say yeah, I'm not gonna work today. I'm a call out today. I don't feel right. Nah, you can't call out when you own a business. When you own a business, you're pretty much 24 hours working seven days a week type shit.

Anthony:

Depends on the business. But if right, if it's a

Jeff:

family business, and you have a lot of people, you know, I'm saying supporting the show, which you didn't Yeah, yeah, could take turns, I could figure out the logistics of it. But for the most part, you own the business and it's just a 123 man operation, your time is valuable and is very limited. So that's one of the cons. I'm not saying that's a con. But that can be one of the cons for the average person who doesn't own a business or who probably doesn't aspire to own a business. Now, let me give you some, some some, some stats, you know, I'm a stats person. I'm like the stats guy. And here are some stats 20% of new businesses failed during the first two years of being open. And I'm sure after the pandemic, those numbers have gone up. because not a lot of big businesses didn't even survive the pandemic 45% of those businesses fail in the first five years and 65% failed during the first 10 years. So this is not to disillusion anybody or to discourage anybody who has aspirations of starting their own businesses. Because that's dope. If you have a lane if you found a niche, you know, for example, I want to turn this into a business or podcast my blog, the website, you know, I'm saying I'm going through the rigors that I'm going through the to the research right now and through the steps of trying to certain you know, how can I turn this into a business you know, I'm saying so I don't want to just you know, act or sound like I'm discouraging people I'm just giving you the fact that it's not an that's not an easy venture This shit is hard. You know, you got to find a lane. You got to find something that you're really passionate about. Now again, yeah, I work a nine to five. I love having my days off. I love having my weekends off my holidays off. I love being able to call out if I don't feel well. I mean, that's not something I do often. I don't like calling now but if I don't feel well, if I'm sick, whatever, you know, family shit, I could call out but I can't Make it in today. You know, I'm saying, like, Yo, I need a vacation, I need a week off, I need a couple of weeks off, I'm out. These are things that you can do, right? So I that, you know, that's one of the pros, for me at least because I appreciate having that freedom. You know, I'm saying, like, you can, you know, you can say, a business owner will say, well, now you're not free if you're working for somebody else. Yeah, maybe. But you also have the freedom to be able to, you know, I mean, step back a little bit take days off, when you need them for your mental health, for your physical health. As we're owning your own business, you don't really get afforded those things. Correct. I'm just, I'm just giving you some of the pros and cons. I mean, they asked us the question, should you work a nine to five, or should you own a business, I think you could do both. If you have a lane, if you have something that you're really passionate about, and you can, you know, start a business, you could do that. If you don't, if you enjoy your freedom, and if you enjoy, you know, having certain days off and you don't mind oh nine to five, then I think that's fine. You know, both things can exist, you can be happy in a nine to five you can be happy owning a business. And then both things are also true that you can be unhappy in an amount of five and you can be unhappy owning a business. I know business owners that are tired of their fucking shit. And they want to do something else already. You know, I'm saying because it gets monotonous you do the same shit over and over or like you said, you don't get the days off, you don't really get time with the family, you don't really get to go visit you know, relatives, different things like that. And my hinder you you don't I mean, and you might say I am getting tired of this, maybe I want to start a different business. Or maybe I want to do something else. That's another thing too, once you've owned a business for a while, there's no way you're gonna go, you know, leave that and go to a nine to five, it becomes harder, right? It becomes harder for you to leave that lifestyle, and then just all of a sudden just become a worker. So now if you get tired of the business you're in now your mind is working to try to figure out what next business you're gonna get into. Because you're already programmed to be a business owner, there's no way you're gonna go back to being you know, working for somebody. So it's just a lot of different things to consider. I'm gonna you cook,

Anthony:

I know, but it's just all hilarious. It's all it's all hilarious to me. Because whether you own your own business or working nine to five, I don't give a fuck long as you're working, I don't care. I just have a job. Seriously. The thing that the thing that the thing that's worse than having a nine to five, and the thing was worse than owning the business is having no job at all. Trust me. You don't want to be Yeah, you don't want to be broke, period. And like it's not the end like it becomes this weird little like caste system, like I own a business and you don't you said that we're gonna put a white man my fucking I feel this adorable. But guess what, you own a business, but you're talking about this whole nine to five thing, the people you have working for you. They work nine to five, you might not, but they do. So you can't have one without the other they work hand in hand, you can own a chain of restaurants you'd rather have people to work in and from shift to shift to shift, just like we do. And I don't push anybody or press anybody about what is supposed to be something else that degree doesn't matter. Because I know how difficult it can be to run a business. Because, again, all that responsibility falls upon you. If you get sick, you really can't afford to get sick. You really can't afford to go to the doctor. And it's costly. Depending on you can say like the profit margins, which most businesses do fail to be like pretty thin. Where do you do this? And what do you go with this? And how do you move forward? And and how do you change this? What's the next step? Or how do we expand that business? And where do we go from here, there's going to be consequences and constant evolution so on so forth. But again, all decisions fall upon you. Now as a nine to five worker, I'm not speaking for myself just kind of saying in general, it kind of takes like the edge off to a degree doesn't like actually got to shut the fuck up and work. Now my own pride and abilities gonna make me work harder than most people but I'm gonna do what I can but then there's a level of frustration that comes along with that because you can work really hard and you can do the best you can and go above and beyond. Still not given like the the salutations and the recognition that you deserve. Because you know, maybe the other guy's friends with the boss or the homies some shit like that and go work their way through this. It's part of the game and this is what happens. The pluses of owning your own business again, you aren't the boss, everything ends up begins with you but it's also a con because if you suck at this and you're bad at it every decision that you make to be deleterious to your bottom line and you can be out of business in no time. Now I want to I want most businesses to succeed there are some businesses are actually going to fail. Some like like those dog walker business are really wonderful. I fucking hate those so stupid that people are so lazy that people walk their dogs like fuck you. It's irritating that people have to do this is so fucking dumb, but I digress. That like in your job, you get health insurance you get vacation days personal days, you get to work with Then the systems work with people so on so forth, that you get the same thing working on your own. But again, it's very taxing it is. And it's a lot that goes into it, like you said, like, besides the ability to have like a, like an expanding podcast on what was your dream business for you to run for yourself, if you ever had that dream?

Jeff:

Probably a bar. And I've said this, we've talked about this a bar, just because we know it's a moneymaker. But it's also especially now after the pandemic and an area where we live is so expensive and so difficult to maintain. We see bars and restaurants around around here just going out of business all the time. You know, saying you got to find the location, you got to get the licenses the proper licenses to sell alcohol to sell, you know, cigarettes, or smoke if you want to have like hookah or different available when I allow people to vaping you know, I mean, and the sugar gets tasking. tasking Did I ever say that, right? But like I said before, like, saying, like, you know, you make your own hours, yes and no, because yeah, you don't work. When you own your own business, you don't work a nine to five, yes, works 6am to midnight, shift your that's your daily shift, seven days a week, when you own a fucking business, right? You got to open up, you got to, you know, make, you know, be responsible for the, for your employees, you got to provide this and that. Like, and it's a thankless job to own your own business is thankless. Like, if you have a good job. I mean, a lot of people don't. But I can only speak for myself, if you have a decent job. You mentioned recognition, right? You do a good job, you get recognized, some companies will offer you whatever benefits this bonuses. You know, my job gives bonuses every year, you know, you get plaques or for whatever achievements or accomplishments or being there certain amount of years, you know, I'm saying like you get acknowledged, you get acknowledgement you get recognized for your efforts and for your work. As a business owner, unless you're acknowledging yourself, it's a thankless job, there's nobody acknowledging you, you know what I mean? There's nobody thanking you, oh, thank you for owning the business. And having us as your boss, like, you know, the bosses don't get thanked for shit, for the most part. That's your job is to is to manage people. So not only do you have to manage people, you have to manage the business, and you got to manage yourself too. And you have to be good at all of them, or else, your bottom line is going to be detrimentally fucked up. And it's not even a status thing to I don't think because I know people that own businesses that make less money than me, you don't I'm saying, if you have an online shop, you know, you sell clothes online or whatever like that. You could be struggling, you know, I mean, you own a little hole in the wall Bar Restaurant Sunday when people don't go to and you're losing money in I mean, I own I know, people that own bodegas. And you know, one of the cons to a bone in a business is that you'd never you don't know, there's no set. Profit margins, there's no set. Wages, you know, I'm saying you don't know how much you're going to make every month, every year, every week, like you just don't know, you know what I mean? One year could be up one year could be down, as you know. So you got to adjust as such, when you had a job, they tell you, this is how much we're going to pay you this is what you're going to make. If you do good, maybe you get a raise next year. And then this is what you're going to make you know exactly what you're gonna make every week, every month, every year, right. And again, that could be a pro and a con for some that's a con for some that's a pro. But when you don't know how much you're gonna make at any given time, right? You can't really you know, you got to move accordingly. Like I had a down year, so I can't you know, I can't do the shit I did last year, because this year, I make as much money. I'm hoping next year, I'll make more and I could do I could make different moves. You know what I mean? Like, these are some of the things here's all the things you got to take into account. Right? So there's no true answer to this question. Like, should you own a business? Should you own work a nine to five? I feel like you could do both. You could be successful at both.

Anthony:

I think you have to you have to know yourself and your personality know what works best for you. Right? Like me, like, eventually, I'm gonna have to get to a point where I'm gonna have to own my own business because I just hate working for people.

Jeff:

So you hate people in general?

Anthony:

No, no, I don't hate people. Like, in general. It's more like there's like, especially like, okay, so I won't name your job. But more than since, like, you ever work with people and the person above you is way dumber than you thought they would be? Yes, somehow to get the position like, fuck,

Jeff:

they know somebody or they've been there a long time.

Anthony:

Right? Like, I could do that. But I don't want to do that because like, you're an idiot, and somebody gave his position and I don't want to step on anybody's toes and go from there. But it's like, sucks. Like, I don't want to do that. And it's a terrible idea. I think to be a business owner, you have to have a particular level of self belief that most people doubt or most people don't have. Because you once you decide to go that route, you know you're going to disregard everything else in the role of fucking enticement for the shooting a table. I commend them to know is it really difficult, cuz like I said, we're never talking about the whole profit thing. Because the first mistake you make that if you're doing if you're running a business to make money, you're running it for the wrong reasons, you should do it because you love it's like work. And also you can find a job you love. You never work a day in your life, you're gonna run your own business to produce some love, not some, like some love, because it's gonna be good days and bad days. But this is something I really like. It's not just the money for me. Because sometimes money comes money goes, but it got to be something I really enjoy. I think with anything, it's up to you as a person, like knowing who you are. If you know you're not cut out for particular work, don't keep trying to make your way into it. Try to do what works for you. And if money matters to you, if like if it's the sole driving purpose. There's ways to get money with our own business. You can like I said, you can sign up for project management get into the world of finance, I want to fool the hours along they're taxing their backbreaking, you will make a fuck ton of money. But will you be happy? I have no idea. That's up to you. That's up for you to figure out. Now, can you? Yes, should you up to you. But I'm not going to really beg on anyone who works nine to five or someone who owns a business, I know that they both have their challenges. Working a nine to five means having to deal with people that are outside your control, to have people over over the top of you that control your life that can make your life harder just because they're just having a bad day. You can own your business circumstances that come about that you have to deal with one way or another this breaks down you got to fix it some habit in your place you have you got to pay for insurance. The building the materials this is all on you

Jeff:

have a lot of a lot of it is tax writable though, a lot of a you can tax write off. So that's a that's a pro of owning a business, you can write off a lot of shit.

Anthony:

But right now it is but I gotta come out of pocket right now. Right and and hopefully I might get it back around. It might be tax deductible. Just because it taxes double it just lowers lowers your your tax rate. But it doesn't mean that I'm like, you're gonna get that money back. It's just something that's part of the business like this, like, if I buy $10,000 worth of equipment, not all this tech stuff, because I needed to run the business, yes. But if I do all of that, like, I paid $10,000 to give me $10,000 back, then that means I break even on that, I still got to worry about the rest of the shit. I still got to worry about insurance, I still got to worry about property taxes or rent if I'm owning a building, or if my business is mobile insurance in that gas and that whatever I might be doing and things of that degree. It's all upon you. Now, is that exciting? Hell yeah, it sounds fun. But you got to be able to handle it and balance that with everything else going on in life. Like can you take vacation is can you do things like that, you can take time off, but the whole thing that them she's saying pay now. But like, whatever you make in profits gonna make in profit, like, just because you want to take like a week off and go spend time with your family, you go to the head, job, not gonna pay for you because you are the job. So whatever you're going to spend on it, what you're going to spend on it, we're gonna call it a day. These are risks that you have to take, but you can't look at it as a risk. You just expense it. It's just this part of the thing that I'm doing as part of this life that I'm trying to live with this career that I'm trying to create? Well, for one, if you do own your business, never hire family hire somebody else. Because well, I will Yeah. Because I always felt like I would hire family because I'm not afraid to fire them a lot. They are free to fire your family, not me. I've ever run a business, my family, like I want a job like, Oh, I'll hire you. But just be clear, I fire us to we still got it. That's cool. But again, here, we're two days in the road, and I'm expecting you to give up the job and get it shipped somewhere else. That's how it's got to be sometimes. But just speaking in generally about business, the most important thing is like, you got to learn to enjoy it and have fun. And if you can pick either path, you have to know yourself best to know what works for you. Do not become an entrepreneur, if you do not have an entrepreneurial spirit, if you don't have the drive, to meet with people to reach out to, to apply for grants to talk to people in the community, talk to people in the government and so on so forth to try to find your way through this. If that's not you don't do it. There's nothing wrong with a nine to five we've been built upon that economy. But there's ways you can make a lot of money within that. But like again, I think it totally depends upon the personality, the person and what path they truly want to choose. Because thinking that you want to do something isn't necessarily worth it. But I think if you have the ability to try both try if you can do something on the side, and can't really be a part time job. Want to be an entrepreneur with a part time job just fine. Wouldn't be a full time employee with an astronaut experience. know some side shit. That's fine, too. Maybe you find something that kind of works for you. But there's nothing wrong with either one, but it couldn't hurt to try either one and do what works best for you.

Jeff:

Yeah, and I guess that's the answer. If you have the entrepreneurial spirit, you know, I'm saying that people don't. And another misnomer too is you know, the saying like you work for yourself, technically. But you still work you really work for all your clients or your customers. You know, I'm saying like, you still work for somebody, you own a business, you're gonna have clients, you're gonna have clientele, you're gonna have customers, and these are the people you're gonna have to answer to. And, you know, the saying the customer's always right. Sometimes that can be worse than actually working for a manager, or working for the man.

Anthony:

What not true? Was not sure what customers are right that. No, they're not. The customer's always right that that just gives people the right to act like assholes like, Yo, right? Like the fourth time you sit these eggs back, I know how to make a fucking omelet. I'm not doing this no more than I'm never coming here again, get the file Exactly.

Jeff:

But in the spirit of trying to run a successful business. That's the type of mentality you got to have. The customer's always right. You don't I'm saying? Because otherwise you lose your clientele quickly, and then all of a sudden you lose your business.

Anthony:

No, you don't know you don't. If you do your job, right. The customer will not care. If you do your job wrong, that's when that thing comes into play. If you owned if you owned a lot, okay, this is a good example. There's dry cleaners everywhere, but there's certain directly that people would go to certain ones they won't. Because that's this rug cleaning even though they charge whatever they do exactly what they say they're going to do is exactly as they do whatever it might be the other one is coming bullshit and it's kinda sorta clean it's kind of cool to see was kind of sort of pressed and to kind of go for like that and if people don't fuck with them anymore, that's gonna put it in a customer's always right it like Ashley said it'd be him like this. They're cut like that. As for this my just recommend look like this. And now it's all whatever like that.

Jeff:

Jagan a drycleaners, special shout out special shout out to Eric's cleaning services out in Central Florida. They do a good job of doing business. Correct?

Anthony:

Do you have anything you wanted to talk about it? We'll get to that. Love them. We'll talk about the pros and cons of it. Because it got to be a lot going left to kind of get this, you know, this thing popping and going for like that, and love to hear his opinion. Because it's always good to have. I'm not gonna see difference of opinion, cuz that's negative. I always want to hear the perspective of others, especially someone who's a self own businessman, things of that degree. And that's got to be hard. But the customer was always right thing. I don't think Eric ever has to worry about that. If he doesn't ship properly. If he says I'm gonna do X, Y, and D, he does X, Y and Z. There's a problem. But he says ABC, and he does ABC. Class, like, Alright, cool. You do what I asked you to do? It's fine. The customer's always right, some bullshit that people made up because they want to believe in customer service, which is a nice thing, but it's overrated. Because, because there's customer service, and that's kind of good old fashioned dignity. Like it's some bullshit going on with James Corden right now, it's some guy who owns a restaurant, where James quarter treated his like, his his staff like shit. And the guy says, I find fucking, you're never gonna eat in my restaurants again. And then James Corden is like, like, kind of kind of like big, do some, whatever the fuck like that. Like, like, it's not a big deal, and so on so forth. It's not a big deal for you. And like the guy said, I haven't worked with these people for years. If they say that you were be enroute to them. I'm going to believe them. I've been working for them. And that's not when the customer is always right. Like, you're being so you're never gonna fucking hear again. Period. Other people will feel the disestablishment because outside of you, everyone else that we've dealt with know that. We do what we say we say what we do, and it comes out exactly as you guys want it. You want you want this to be like that. We do it. And there's no complaints. He's like some kind of rude rich asshole. Then he's like, Well, you're never gonna be here again. Custom doesn't always have to be right. I hate that fucking statement. And I don't hate much. I've always hated that because people they used it to justify their bullshit to treat other people like shit. Like no, I want just this made I want this coffee made that way. Because last time I had it, it didn't taste like this. Like man, fuck, I made it the same exact way. And it's gonna get mad and you know who the customer is right? People. They're the same ones that always say I want to talk to your manager. They don't people.

Jeff:

And then you hit him with the I am the manager, bitch.

Anthony:

Then these things and all the above you know, buddy, I'm the manager. See, but that's the whole thing. If you're working for yourself, you don't got to deal with it. In a nine to five. You got to deal with this shit all the time. Like, before you got bumped up into position. How many times have you been dealing with a client? Someone's like that they went speak to your supervisor?

Jeff:

Yes, it was a daily occurrence when I worked at the fucking call center before you say sometimes it will tell me like yo, sometimes I will tell him like I am the manager who's above you. You're like God my fucker. He ain't really taking calls right now. He ain't taking calls right now. Yo Peace the fuck out. But

Anthony:

prayers not phone calls.

Jeff:

Yeah, bro. at a mall. He may or may not respond but he got millions of them. Billions of them shits prayers going to spam box

Anthony:

I go right to voicemail this. This is just the almighty answer because there's not a whole lot is no login service just mailbox food and this line has no login service back in here right now. Please try again later. Like, am I going to hell? Yes.

Jeff:

Hell press two for the mezzanine

Anthony:

above press three for purgatory press four

Jeff:

for the pearly gates. Press zero gonna hit you with that. We're experiencing abnormal wait times. If you'd like to leave a message we'll get back to you at earliest convenience. If not keep waiting. You are Number 1080 5,000,020 your wait time is 25 million hours.

Anthony:

The wait time is 75 years like fuck. You see the phone to your head, like get my charger? I'm gonna be here Well, hold on shit.

Jeff:

But yeah, it's a rapid blow like people that own businesses, man, I respect them. I admire them. You know, I'm saying like, I should is should is dope is admirable, is respectable. It's, it's worthy of different praises. If you own a business successful addict. Like I said, if you own a business and you struggling like a motherfucker, then maybe they're shooting for you. You know, I'm saying, like I said, I know people that own businesses, that ain't making as much as I even make or you know, any regular person makes working out of five. But if they're happy, then that's fine. It's not even about money shouldn't be about money, or status or anything like that as if you're happy doing that. And if you can really make your own hours, if you could really, you know, I'm saying if you feel free doing that, and that's dope. But if you're unhappy owning a business and you still and you're struggling, you're making less money than you would at a fucking job. That maybe that's not for you. So the answer to the question is,

Anthony:

yeah, it's, it's up to you.

Jeff:

What do you aspire for what your personality is? Some people have the person that entrepreneurial spirit, some people don't. And that's okay. I just encourage those that do own businesses to not look down on those that don't, you know, say because it just isn't for everybody. You know what I mean? I'm just saying, just don't look down on them. Don't you know, think less of them? Oh, I own a business because I see that a lot too. Like I own a business. You know, you get that complex. I'm like, I'm better than you. Or I'm more successful than you. Or I'm missing that. When it's not always the case. But yeah, Ralph Waldo Emerson said, enthusiasm is the mother of effort, and without it, nothing great was ever achieved. The culture podcast. See you next week. Bye.