The Slap Heard Round the World

Unknown: 0:49

Out of Will Smith as I know you, I would have wished he'd had to whip me or I'd have had to whip him. And every time I see him, it's on site. They nothing say and then you apologize to the academy at the academy. You need to apologize to that, man skip that. Let me tell you, there's three things facial in that community. You say the N word. You spit on me and you slap me. Because if you go back when we were left, then that's what they did. They didn't punch you. They slapped you God, because that's the ultimate sign of disrespect. When you hit somebody, they don't say I'm a puncher, they say almost left and you know what are you? Because that's the ultimate sign of disrespect for him to do that. Concerning some of the things that she has said at her roundtable about an entanglement he's not that guy. That's the guy you shouldn't be mad about. I'd have I'm so disappointed because it's us for the wall to see. I don't know how many people would watch it say 510 15 20 million people to watch it. But it's us. You see is us. I went to a comedy show one time with Mark Lourdes. Marla says them about me man. I laugh he was funny. I but I get it. He's a comedian. And if he sees somebody in the audience, the way they dress in the how they look guy people used to make fun of people disabilities, they don't do that anymore. It's good but that was a thing if you had one layer you had one eye or whatever the case may be but for will to react like that really. Nobody can convince me other that there's something deeply deeper going on other than somebody saying that your wife has no hair and she's going to be in the next gi Jane there's there's no way you can convince me that that pushed him over the age. That was the only thing something else is going on deeper because he should have been pushed over the edge last year when she got the round table talking about it entanglement. Don't fight that dude. That's the dude I'm looking for. That was all over my house doing what I should have been doing. They get in character. And when you get in character, it's hard to get out of character. We've seen a lot of you taking over the Yeah, okay, well, I thought I was Hurricane I would have gotten carried to war but you can't give me okay just walk up to somebody and slap and kudos to Chris Rock for the LAPD no charges back though.

Jeff: 3:05

And that was Shannon Sharpe on the skip and Shannon undisputed show. This is your boy Jeff. I'm here with my man at episode 89 of the culture. We're going to discuss the slap heard round the world was gonna

Anthony: 3:23

Jana he mostly right? He mostly right? He mostly mostly. Mostly. We won't get to him. He mostly right. Just remember to remind me about him.

Jeff: 3:34

Yeah, we are gonna get into it. Shout out to our patrons aka our coach crew. Look, man. I'm just gonna get right into it. Because we're gonna probably spend the majority of the time discussing this. We both I'm sure we both have a lot to say about this.

Anthony: 3:49

What the fuck is out there to discuss we're gonna talk about the war on grant. We were talking about the coach, right? Will Smith and Chris Rock a part of that culture? Correct. There's not enough to discuss. Trust me, it's a lot to unpack with the shit. So my role

Jeff: 4:02

is like this. You know, I'm a Will Smith apologist. I've come on here time and time again. You know, I've told you he's my favorite actor. Fuck him as an artist as a celebrity as a person. You know, I'm saying he's a model citizen. He's a role model. He's a family, man. Whatever, whatever. You know, I'm the first rap Grammy first rapper ever drop a double disc album.

Anthony: 4:23

It's you know what you get into that? Before you get into that. Let's, let's let's go back. Let's go way back back in time. Let's start off with what occurred and your immediate reaction to it because you hit me and I shoot each other. Yeah, right. Right. So I mean, everybody who's known will give the Cliff Notes. It's the Oscars. Will Smith and his wife Jada Pinkett Smith for sitting in the very front. Very, like there's no they don't even have a table. It's just two chairs cooling. We here we are here. They are in the VIP section up front. The Oscars award get presented. Best Documentary film comes up Chris Rock comes on stage as no well renowned world known comedian comes up. Has a few jokes has a few jokes with Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem looks at Jada Smith and will say

Jeff: 5:16

oh, can I prefix also want to preface by saying that Chris Rock is also my favorite comedian of all time. Go ahead.

Anthony: 5:22

Yeah, let's go we can absolutely note that. So Jeff's favorite performer, actor rapper not rapping fucking watching. His favorite performing his favorite comedian are both there. So his favorite comedian Chris Rock looks at his favorite performers wife. That's a joke. See, like Jada. Jada Pinkett Smith here. Can we see in GI Jane to everybody laughs I laughed. I thought it was funny. bilat everybody laughs little Smith coming from Chris. Yeah, come from Chris. It's like it's a mid joke mid consent to things. We sent an open already. Yes, mid. Right. Cool. So, so the joke goes off. He laughs and Chris has continued with his monologue and he says, oh, because Will Smith gets out of his seat will walks up to the stage. And that aside, and Chris is still this laughing and and all of a sudden, we'll just like just slaps him. We're going to get to this lap in a moment. turns around, pulls on his coat real quick system share. Chris Rock Me says Wow, Will Smith to smack the shit out of me. Everybody laughs again. Then we'll says the infamous words. Keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth. Chris is like dude is gi Jane joke. Keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth. Okay, show continues on the award is presented Questlove actually wins it. system should I want to say about that show continues on and then after that. There's some behind scenes stuff. We'll get into that too. But we'll doesn't leave. We'll get into that too. And he's presented the war for Best Actor. About an hour later, he makes a speech about kind of sort of talking about what occurred he apologizes to the academy. Apologize to a few other people. Stacy awards, he said some kind of strange things again, we got time to go and talk about it. And literally that's the story. I kind of gave him the cliff notes because seeing it and envisioning it the first time. But we both watched it. When you when you first saw what did the first thing that came to your mind?

Jeff: 7:27

I thought it was funny. I was like, Oh, this is hilarious. You know, I thought it was a bit that it was fake. You know what I'm saying? I didn't think it was real because even the way he got up there did the stands and did the fake. It looked like Stephanie McMahon and the WWE which used to stop do the little slap and look to kind of eliminate staged it wasn't until you see the people putting the replay up online that you see him actually connecting Oh shit, it was a real slap. But it wasn't until I heard the profanity that I was like, oh, wait a minute. This might be real when Chris Rock said oh, I just Christmas just slapped the shit out of me. I'm like, okay, the worst shit is occurs, but it's not really. But okay. But then when Will Smith is like, keep you up. My wife's name out your fucking mouth. I'm like, Okay, now that's not staged. The Oscars are not going to allow you to drop the F bomb on national TV live.

Anthony: 8:12

The demand that don't cursors at all versus that at the Oscars.

Jeff: 8:16

Amazing. And my initial thought was like, oh, okay, well, shit out. You know, these are my two favorite dudes. I don't know who to say we I don't know who's right, who's wrong. And like I said, I've been on him. And I've told you before, it's getting harder and harder to defend. Willard Smith. It's just getting harder and harder. But but I'm going to attempt to once again today

Anthony: 8:39

and I'm going to shoot that shit. I don't doubt it. I got no problem with that. First

Jeff: 8:43

of all, you know, I read his book. So I know a lot of people that have this. So I want to I want to I like to think that I know him a little bit better than the average person that hadn't read his shit. I know him a little bit more intimately, right. Right away. The first thing I heard people saying, Oh, why he laughed. He laughed at the joke. He laughed before. Okay, so there's two things there. In his book. He says laughter was always a coping mechanism for him. That's where he got into comedy. He grew up with an abusive dad, etc. He always laughed at, you know, when he was in pain, where he was embarrassed when he was sad. He always just laughed. That was his way of coping. So I can look at it that way. Okay, maybe he's laughing out of anger right there. I don't know. So that's one thing. The second thing I can look at it okay. He was laughing until he turned around and saw how pissed Jada was. And we all know Jada wears the pants and that motherfucker you know, she runs shit. You know, she wants this you know, she wants this man so badly to be like Tupac Shakur the love of her life. We're going to get an unanimous and you know all the entanglement shit will has just been tired. The last two years between hearing the entanglement between hearing the two Pack Ship between hearing his wife go up on the red table talk and talk about how her man doesn't satisfy her sexually and all of this. Like he's just tired all the memes and all the jokes. So I think all of that all of that combined was just internalized. And that was his moment to like, I'm gonna stand up for my wife. I'm gonna show her that I am the man that she wants me to be. And I don't need her to go step out and do no entanglements. Because I'm gonna be that man right here right now. Everything all these last two, three years bottled up, came out, boom, in the form of a slap to Chris Rock. Don't talk about my fucking wife. I'm going to defend my wife right now. You know, I'm saying I'm gonna defend my family. Just like you know, Richards. Uh, Richard Williams did, because he kept bringing him up. Mm hmm. And that's what I you know, I felt like okay, he's different and I saw a lot of women Tiffany Haddish I saw a lot of women posting defending were like, Yeah, I want my man to defend me like that. You know what I'm saying this is he's just defending his man. But they all gone they all goofy that's just me defending well, right? I can also look at it like yo, Chris Rock has said way worse shit and he was gonna say way worse before that. Because he remember he When stopped himself he was like, Yo, you know what, I'm not even saying that he stopped. He was gonna probably say some shit about August. I've seen it. He could have gotten gotten way deeper.

Anthony: 10:56

He said they said it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad. He said, like, you

Jeff: 11:00

know, and we don't even we don't even we don't even know if he wrote that himself, bro. They could have probably written that for him. We don't even know because he was reading out of a teleprompter. We don't even know if he wrote that. Okay, fine. Let's assume he did. There's also history here right between them because he's made jokes about them in the past. So I don't know if this has anything to do with anything. They've worked together before. They got pictures together before they were on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air together. Where they did a skit where you know, Chris Rock was dressed as a female and he was like was Mrs. date so they've acted together before? But he'd made a couple years ago when he was on awards. I might have been the was the Oscars Chris Chris Rock joke about about it was asked about Jada and well boycotting the awards and not being there and saying, hey, yeah, weren't invited. You know, I mean, that's like me boycotting Rihanna panties, whatever. So they have a history. He has a history of joking about them. The minute I saw Will and Jada there, I knew what was gonna win an award because they don't go to these awards. They don't go to award never go to awards, and look, and look where you're sitting. Right? They must have told him like, Look, you might want to go to this one. There's a very strong chance you're gonna win Best Actor. So I already knew that he was gonna win even after the situation went down. A couple awards later, Best Actor and he's like, up there with Denzel. I'm like, damn, they really gonna make will beat Denzel. But I know he was gonna win it. And that's the only reason he was still there. Like, why is he still there? Why hasn't he been escorted out? So when he won? I don't know when I'm like, yeah, go well, and then he gets a standing ovation. Which you know, I don't know, that could be either good luck or bad luck. Goes up there and starts crying again. Like how many times have we seen this man cry or live on on TV or online already in the last couple years like shit? And he said what he said they didn't apologize. Chris told the next day.

Anthony: 12:39

We're looking for work with Can we go past an hour? Sure. It's like slightly fast. Alright, cool. You got a lot to say. Is mashed unpack here. Continue, please. I'm still

Jeff: 12:51

torn because if it would have been anybody else other than Chris, first of all, he probably wouldn't have done and if it's fucking if it's the rock up there, not Chris Rock but the rock Will Smith and going a bit of smack the rock. You know, maybe if it's Kevin Hart. Yeah, if it's Katt Williams, he ain't smacking cat with his every spears. He ain't smacking. If it's TK Kirkland, he ain't going up dance makin TK Kirkland. But Chris Rock is Satan. You know I'm saying he's a safe bet you can smack him he looks snackable or snappable It's not an insult but I know he's 100 pounds you know he's not he's a comedian. He's you know, he's not a big guy. He's not big or strong or he's not he's not a threat you know, I'm saying so that's my first thing. And I'm still torn because it's my these are two more guys bro. Like he's my Chris rockin my favorite comedian of all time. Most of my favorite actor of all time. He wins the wizards his first award right?

Anthony: 13:39

Oscar? Yes. That's been nominated. Yeah, cuz he got nominated for our lead but his first win

Jeff: 13:44

but I got a lot of others just to say but I'm gonna let you go say first.

Anthony: 13:47

My first reaction I'm like, did I just see what I thought I saw? Like my brain froze like, again.

Jeff: 13:54

I texted you right away and you called me Yeah, yeah,

Anthony: 13:57

did I call it like because just just make sure we both seen the same thing window tape delay. Right? And you see what kind of occurred and like I said, I thought it was fake I thought because like, but like it was weird. The fifth thing was like a split second reaction but that came back I'm like no, this isn't because because because Chris

Jeff: 14:14

Rock puts his hands behind his back so that's that's non threatening body language off the RIP. Then he almost like puts his face out like like he saw it come into some shit. Then Then we'll slap someone in turns around yo you slap me I'm grabbing that mic standing while yes it gives me the back to me I'm gonna clock you bro. I'm like I'm not you

Anthony: 14:33

Oh, bro. Like I understand like the part when I said different parts about what Shannon said I agree with I disagree with I agree with the part he said there because if it was me, I honestly like I had to really think about it. If it's me. I'm going to look dead at that camera. And I'm gonna say y'all might as well go to commercial just go to commercial like why like I'm like that those are the only word you're going to get from me y'all need to go in and fade to black my degree and fuckhead a

Jeff: 14:56

bit more professional give me he said Wow. Then pause for a couple of seconds and then just the next the nominees for the best documentary are and

Anthony: 15:06

he still shook like It's like he's processing all this in real time, as we all are. And it's like, Fuck, what do I do? Like I think part of him like we want to react back but like you understand it sees what you are and like he hits him. And in psychology terms when it comes to like, something happens you either either flee flight. No, it's fight, flee or freeze. He chose not to three like he didn't know what happened. Like when you're when something dangerous happens. You're going to do one of three things right? So I would understand his reaction actually, because it's not really that far out of round people like are giving him props for like holding down and being professional like when, when a traumatic incident happens. Like, if, if someone's around you and someone starts shooting, you're probably going to run, or you're going to hide. And so but some people like to hit a gunshot to go, they freeze, like they don't still know what to do, it happens, it happens to people, it's human nature. I mean, I commend them for completing his task, and so on and so forth. The whole thing with will and we're talking about that incident, and him screaming and so on and so forth. The thing about this entire week epidemic, everyone's become whatever something happens in the world, everyone becomes an expert on everything. Now, everyone is a psychologist or a expert on body language or something else like that. Unfortunately, fellas, I do have a psychology degree. Not necessarily going to put it to good use here. But we can talk about the pain Will Smith is gone through, we can talk about the issues may be going on in his marriage, we can talk about whether that was the real real Smith or whether his career was whatever it's supposed to be, was it this, this perfectly curated idea of what a black man is supposed to be? Or it's look at it as what it was. Something happened. He laughed, I wouldn't say looked over and saw that she was hurt. I think she's caught that quick side I and I think for most people, like that's some shit you deal with, like later in the car, like, whatever and just kind of go forward. He just decided to be bold at that one moment. And so so strange. Like I said, I got a bunch of shit to talk about, but, but please, let's proceed further.

Jeff: 17:18

And you know, you know, I felt the worst four out of this whole shit Questlove Questlove because he got robbed of his moment, bro. For summer he won Best Documentary Feature for summer. So because he produced and directed it. And it's really good. And you know, he's the frontman for the roots, bro. He's on TV every night with Jimmy Fallon. Like, this is a man who's talented who's been in the game for the longest. I would like to say I could call him hip hop, hip hop icon, maybe Hip Hop legend, right? Is that safe?

Anthony: 17:46

D It's the roots. Absolutely. The greatest hip hop band of all time.

Jeff: 17:50

And this black brother comes up and he wins. You know, he wins an award and nobody's even remembering that part. Nobody's talking about cuz everybody still want you know, worried about the whole willing Christian,

Anthony: 18:00

that they're never going to that's the bad part. They're never going to remember. They're never gonna remember his speech. Right? That like it came in like you've been passionate about it until until it makes a documentary about a festival that happened. I think it was in Harlem. And a park. That was like last week like no one like it existed and it happened but there was no footage. She compiled all of this he got all these interviews to tell this fantastic story about Black culture. And it's gonna be overshadowed by this so slapping somebody

Jeff: 18:31

but is it safe to say that this was a bad night for for black people? Oh, no. Because also another thing too, is this was the first time the Oscars had a black producer, my man Will Packer another fucking we'll go figure. So this was the first time you know what I mean? A black man was producing the Oscars. And in this bullshit happens, you know, not bringing a black man next next year to produce the ship? And I don't know, I just felt like it made the whole culture look bad.

Anthony: 19:00

I mean, if they earn, they earned a nomination, they should probably bring them back. I mean, Chris got to come back. I mean, that's all that should have been for. You better invite me back. I really like it. They should let Chris Rock host the ship next year. Um, I don't know if you want to because that we'll see what time tells because I don't think he wants to do it. And everyone's going to be talking about the same shit like I think he wants to be. He's preparing right now to deal with it in his own way. I don't think he want to say to show the whole year for the Oscars for next year. But uh, yeah, I mean, we're going to be back. We made good enough movies. We'll be back. I'm not worried about that.

Jeff: 19:33

Yeah, so Chris Rock has a comedy show. Now he's on tour. And I'm sure they're selling out obviously. From what I understand, though. He's not even addressing the issue. Like he'll talk about it for a minute at the beginning. And he's telling people like, Yo, if I came to here, this isn't, you know, I haven't even been able to process it yet. Like, I'm, I'm not ready to talk about it. I'll talk about it when the time comes. But I'm here to do the jokes that I've been preparing for the last few months, you know, yeah, I got a whole show.

Anthony: 19:58

Yeah, I know, our material lined up not just this shit. No, I've been ready. It's, it's, you know, it's a thing about embarrassing situations. So we're going to start to drill down into this a little bit. First question, then I'm going to ask you another question. First, from the author's perspective than a personal one, if you're Will Packer or you're the president of the Academy that occurs? What do you do it Will Smith?

Jeff: 20:23

You if you I mean, he obviously he needs he got to face some type of consequences, right? I mean, I'm not gonna take away his award or whatever was the first his first Oscar and shit like that. It was also on not Danzo which McCauley won his first Oscar to that night, right. What's his name? Samuel Jackson. Honorary one. Yeah, and nobody gonna talk about that either. But I mean, you could suspend we'll

Anthony: 20:45

never know. But I mean, if it's you bet Just the curbs. What do you do it, we'll just we'll stay there the rest at night. It's just so

Jeff: 20:53

hard because you know, he's about to win the award. So you can't kick him out and then do well with the award. You know, I'm saying, like, we'll be here. We'll be here to accept this. Like, even though we just saw him a few minutes ago.

Anthony: 21:04

Like, well, what here, buddy? Yeah, so am I gonna accept? Yeah, right. Okay. Like,

Jeff: 21:07

like, we want to accept this for your husband. I mean, it could have gone that route. But then that would have been, you don't know what she wouldn't want to be and said,

Anthony: 21:14

that had been real fucked up. Because if he got to leave the building, and it would hurt with their marriage, and she stays there, our shoot is done. If we suppose being together, when I go Hugo, period, right? I want to hold that thought. So it's the pinnacle of one of the highlights of his life, a very important moment in front of a lot of people, a lot of influential people, some friends, some associate some whatever, right? And the Hold on, doesn't say, just take that and just want to hold on to that thought, is one of the most important moments of your life, and something occurs. And then you have to kind of react upon it. Right. Okay. Remember, remember when you got married? Yes. Right. ceremony, and weighing and so forth. That thought was beautiful. Right? Right. If now, if I went in there, and I slept the dog shit out of one of your relatives, what happens to me? You're

Jeff: 22:01

getting kicked out immediately.

Anthony: 22:03

It's just the thing. I'm trying to I get arrested. I mean, right. I'm trying to understand this dismiss when people

Jeff: 22:12

would give you the benefit of the doubt figure what the fuck happened, but you're gonna get kicked out

Anthony: 22:15

immediately right at that. And I'm trying to understand this cognitive dissonance between people with that and everything else. Like I just, it's confusing me because I'm saying if there was an important moment in your life, and an incident occurred, the person who was involved in said incident would have to go not now but right now. We can talk about the shit later. But right now, you have to go immediately. So the fact that they kept him there, it's confusing to me, because it wasn't like I'm saying that Christian Winterfell charges but if you're looking at the simple basics of the law itself, that's assault. Not following everybody

Jeff: 22:50

with this file charges should the only people I hear talking about call the police are white folks, Jim Carrey came out and say you should have sued him for 200 million. Yeah, he should have authority should have been called. I only hear white people talking about calling the cops. We don't call the cops like that. Yo, like, minorities don't really call the cops like that black people certainly don't fucking call the cops like that. And then you know, you know that they're going to handle it like brothers. And you know, I'm saying nobody's calling the cops. Nobody saw nobody, according to sources did he said that they squashed it at the after party.

Anthony: 23:18

Chris was like, and but I know that wasn't true. Because at that, I don't think Chris Ron talked to nobody. Like, I'm gonna fuck with it. He got it and be like, you want me to be in the room? But then they could just slap me? No, no, no, hell no, I don't I don't mean No, no, no third party, he got to talk to me. Right? Like say, even when he does a speech, he still doesn't apologize to Chris. He apologized to the academy. You know, he's gonna fuck him out of the from this point forward in his career, the Academy because they're gonna look at him and look like he's crazy, that people don't want to work with him ain't going to work with him anymore. You know why? Cuz we're all in that room. And so you lose your fucking mind at the at the most important thing is, here's another example. You got a problem with somebody at work, right? Whatever attention, it might be whatever issue that might be, you have a problem with them. And you might handle it in whatever way that you're going to. But you're not going to handle it at the company, office party. With everyone that are your associates and co workers are there to see, you might do it somewhere else. I don't even mean like physical violence. I mean, the compensation, the yellow or whatever else, and won't happen around place them in certain company. And like I said, even though it's the Oscars is still a work of man. Like these are still people you work with. These are people who feel like to their heads, the students, if they employ you, they're going to see this, if it was a regular job, you're probably going to get fired from that job, face some type of retribution. But no one in that job is going to look at you the same ever again. So expect people to go back to just well being well, I don't see that. Because the most influential people in the profession that you've chosen, they're all there. So what do you do? Say to me,

Jeff: 24:52

you stayed up Saturday night, just to watch Saturday Night Live, because I knew there was going to talk shit about the sense of the situation on SNL. And it was just all the whole episode there was just making fun of where and making them look crazy. You know, I mean, the show was funny. There's gonna be a lot of work and we're gonna get memes for weeks, probably months, we're gonna have all kinds of memes and jokes about this shit

Anthony: 25:11

in what I hate about them, they're the means are insulting to be attacked, that the attacker, like I just keep seeing pictures of a Christian slap and like, you're like, you're still kind of got jokes about him when he was a non entity and his whole thing. He didn't do anything wrong. He did his job. He was a comedian, and he told the joke that was mild. It didn't deserve that kind of response. And I think what you're trying to say before about Will Packer and black people in the Oscars. It kind of goes back to thing that Shannon Sharpe said, I'm kind of tired of the idea of narrative that everything that black people do has to Be kind of put upon the weight of all black people. That's it is exhausting. We are not a monolith. It wasn't a bad night for black people. You know who's a bad fucking night for? Will Smith? No one else. How's it gonna be a bad night for black people in Dindo is out there. And he's trying to console them trying to get him get his shit together. Sammy wins an Honorary Oscar Questlove wins an Oscar. It's not a bad night for us at all. It's a bad night for him. So it shouldn't be for anybody to carry the wheels of the entire race. Was the name. Arianna Dubose. Yeah. It was that big for her was a big for black people.

Jeff: 26:23

I think it was. That's the is that the queer chick? Yeah, I think that was to be honest. I think that was bigger for like the LGBTQ community.

Anthony: 26:31

She's Latina. Yeah.

Jeff: 26:32

But what a name like the bow. I didn't even know somebody had to tell me she was fucking Latina.

Anthony: 26:38

It is not a lot of Will Smith run around here at a black either. It's a few but not a lot. It's not the most black sounding name.

Jeff: 26:46

I mean, I know the whole thing. We're in there. You know, we got Penelope Cruz. And we got all these like we're in the building already. You know, I'm saying so her winning the shutting would meant more to the LGBTQ community. And women empowerment and all of that, you know, I'm saying that a different Latinos. But yeah, I mean, I guess it's a win for Latinos as well. Afro Latino, as she mentioned the word that I told you, I like Afro Latinos. You mentioned that, right? Like, I'm Afro Latino, and I'm also queer. Right. So I think

Anthony: 27:09

you made it clear who was for right? It's for every, it's for all uncompensated, right? But nobody's gonna remember that either. Right? But let's say I don't know, Penelope Cruz gets mad because she took an award that she took from him Penelope just just like just karate chops in the throat right? Is that bad for all Latin people? Because that occurred? No, it was just as bad it's just bad for Penelope because the bad look for her for what she did. So like I said, I understand what Shannon about the the anger of what occurred and the typical reaction upon it. But again, people either flight hit the the fight, flee or freeze, Chris Rose. Nothing wrong with that. The thing with with this is like, I don't want people to think that every time black people do something good. So it's a win for all of us. But when do something bad, it's a loss for all of us know, the person winning is very good for them because it's good for their career, it's good for them, and they happen to be supportive of their particular community. That's great. But to do some of that goes against quote unquote the community. It's not it's what they did is what that occurred. Like they talk about that shit you know how much worship used to watch back in the day like like that infamous sorts of war was basically gang upon it just it's like, like if death row to get out hit like they're going to burn this place down, basically. But rap still live. It's still private still continued. So try to put this one thing that's one incident was an isolated incident as an indictment upon black people in general. I wish people would just stop making that narrative. I hate that I really, really do. It's like saying that, you know, Chris is a proud black man because he took that slap. No, Chris was just being professional. And Chris was in shock. Hell, we was in shock, because we didn't know if it was real or not. It was very rarely him getting slapped than the whole thing. But you know, like, he stood there. He's a real man. So it's a woman. No, no, Chris gonna speak for Chris. Eventually. People got to stop no be an armchair psychologist and putting their own shit inside of it. It's not that it's not it's definitely not that. So that's why I think we should get to the point this whole chivalry thing. What do you feel

Jeff: 29:08

about it? Well, we'll get to that we were due for a break. So let's take a quick break. I want a motion to dissect it.

Anthony: 29:14

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Jeff: 29:23

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Jeff: 31:06

We represent a culture to represent the culture podcast. I do but I have one question for you. After all of this shit, you got more than one question. So we're gonna dissect those. But it's comedy as we know with dead now, like, was this the death of comedy? Like we know comedy? Because like we said, we talked about Chris Rock has said way worse shit than this. We grew up in the 90s where people were making fun of you know disabled people gays trans. Everybody was getting made fun of nobody was you know, I'm saying was, was safe. Nothing. No topic was safe. And now you got to like tippy toe over topics. You got to like read the crowd. walk on eggshells. Watch what you say like, you know what I mean? So is the is the era of Def Comedy Jam. Is that should dead bro. After this.

Anthony: 31:57

No, no, absolutely not. That is going to be weird to say I think the biggest mistake that Chris Rock made was actually slapping a comedian because their fraternity like people think that I'm funny. Sure. But I can't be a comedian. It's it's a particular kind of person that can do some shit like that. I'm serious. Like to stand up there for 3035 minutes to tell jokes, the jokes, some hits. Some don't just keep going nonstop. And all comics have gone through that they've gone through the wringer. They're gone these little shitty ass 50 room clubs, maybe 500 to 1000 to whatever they're in. It's in Unity. So the people that are banging on well, they're all comedians because they're all gonna have Chris's back like this is he's part of the fraternity. He's one of those guys that might be on a Mount Rushmore, he's, he's one of those dudes that inspired them to do comedy. So he can't kill something that's unkillable. If people want to talk about, you know, their arguments about like, like the mask policy, and doing whatever you want to do, and no freedom of speech. You can't eliminate comedy. It's too ingrained in our DNA as Americans. Because we have to find humor in the darkness that life gives us some time so that you can't just be like, well, this is the death of comedy. What's going to happen is that I just I just don't want somebody to be bold and run up on the stage because they're gonna run up on the wrong dude. And they're gonna get fucked up and it's gonna be a mess. Because like you said before, like, if like, it's like TK Kirkland or cat wombs up there. And when you say them like there's no way to wear them naked to get into the Oscars there's there's no way to where they're ever going to Patel No, but kept but Kevin Hart maybe but but Kevin Hart from Philly to like the rock shore. But I mean, like, I mean, rocket live like a hardscrabble life. So to Chris Rock, like they went through some things. And like I said, the reaction isn't that Chris didn't hit him. It just said, I think in a moment, his brain just kind of froze, and trying to process everything that just occurred to him in less than a few seconds. And trying to go home from Nicola, even after that. Will's yelling at him. Chris still containers are composed like relax, like, it's a joke like gi Jane joke. He's trying to keep the show going. That's just who he is. Like he's a people pleaser. You're not trying to be our industry scrapping with a motherfucker like I've slapped people for less. And like, I'm not I'm not trying to do that now. But I'm just saying it's possible. Like, remember that Tommy was that he was at the bar. And it's me your homeboy. And you're like, No, I think like, yes, yes, this is x and shit like that. And he was telling me about him. And I like, actually, I just had to take the boat, like, just just crack it up his fucking head. I didn't do it. I could have. But that was that was a weird part of me at that time. That's the whole shippers bullshit that people do. But like I said, I could have reacted wrong in my life could have went a completely different way. And Chris could react to was wrong. His career could have went a completely different way. Because it's not just we're looking crazy. It's both looking crazy, even though it would have been understood by I guess, quote, unquote, by by both parts. Because people were like, well, he hit him first, which is some real like, kindergarten shit, but it kind of happens. But I mean, I again, I applaud him for his reaction. But I don't want people to think that because he did that all of a sudden he's a shining example of the race. He just how he reacted I don't want people to think just because what will did that shimmering is actually bullshit. But again, it's neither here nor there. It's just it's so weird all shit that goes on there.

Jeff: 35:11

This is the first time in over 30 plus year career that we've seen the West Philadelphia come out of Will Smith.

Anthony: 35:19

I'm gonna pause right there. Don't go no further. Stop. Stop, stop. Here's the thing. You grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood

Jeff: 35:25

right? A signal jersey. Good. But it was diverse but Right. Right. But

Anthony: 35:30

are you a street kid?

Jeff: 35:31

I wouldn't consider myself a street kid. Okay, I would never claim to be street a thug, a gangster. None of that.

Anthony: 35:37

I hate when people say because I live somewhere that makes you this. That's not true. Like that. Like I can tell people are from North now to the store of what I went through North and why I had to do what I had to do. In North Shore, but I know there's very nice parts of North like ivy Hill, so on and so forth very up like upper middle class sections, where you might live your whole life and your life might have been just just fine. So people say like, no, the West really came out of him. That would mean that that he really went to some shit and Philly, like, you could be sitting in Philly, just be sitting on your front step all day not really hitting the street. I mean, like, just cut you from there don't mean you, you know, you bought that action. So to make that assumption that he is I have no idea. I mean, even in this book, you read it. Did it ever seem like will ever came across even in his youth as a tough guy?

Jeff: 36:21

No, never threatening. He had his goons with him though. Like he had his boys or whatever, they always had his back, you know, I mean, and he talks about them and to this day, he still got to people that you know, he rose with from his hood from his block that you know, they got his back you know, obviously he's gonna pay the bills they're gonna have his back they're gonna do his dirty work

Anthony: 36:38

back the fact that you will smith and you and you need back

Jeff: 36:42

got going.

Anthony: 36:45

Everybody got Goonies? That's wild. Don't Don't touch well, he the money god damn right.

Jeff: 36:50

I'm gonna pose another question now. Because remember, I'm real open about you know, how sensitive today's society that I've talked about in sports, how I hate these athletes now because they're so sensitive, right? And I think this is part of it. This is this whole situation was a microcosm of today's generation today's era, and I know these guys are under 50. So they're not from this generation. But this is like the dissenter sizing is that even a word the synthesizing of the society, bro, like, you got to watch what you say now. You got to tippy toe around shit. You can't say shit, bro. Like imagine Martin back in the days when he's hosting Def Comedy Jam. He used to diss everybody in the front row. He used to get on what she was wearing your hair do he used to talk about women's hairs? And everything. And I know it's a sensitive topic for black women talk about the hairs. And Chris Rock should have known better and I'm sure that's something that Chris Rock is gonna say when he finally addresses it. He's gonna probably apologize for the joke. I know he is he's gonna say You know, I should have known better for the talk about her that he's gonna probably say I didn't know she had a condition. If I would have known I probably wouldn't have said to Joe, you know, I'm saying like, he's gonna probably say things like that, because a lot of people didn't know that she was dealing with the disease that she's dealing with, was making her lose her head. That being said, though, imagine in the 90s Bro, Martin not being able to dis nobody in the front row. That was his whole shit. Coming out in descent, everybody, you know. So what I'm saying is we saw the kid and this is unrelated. But this is just part of the you know how sensitive we are now, like we saw the kid that just died in Orlando, he fell out of that ride. He was a fat kid. He wasn't even a part of me. I don't mean to offend overweight people. But the kid was overweight. He had no business on that ride, right? Every large kid for it. He had no he had no business on the ride. If you see the videos that people recorded, he couldn't even put the seat all the way down. And it was the conductor's duty to make sure he was strapped on in to tell him like No, dude, you can't get on the ride. I'm sorry. I can't let you on this ride. But nobody said that. Out of fear out of you know, whatever. Like all this big black kid is gonna say something to me. I'm not even gonna let it I'm not gonna say shit. I'm just gonna let him get on the ride. He looks safe enough. And the kiss falls out of the ride and dies. So is that where we're come to now? Like we can't we can't joke anymore. We can't tell people the truth anymore. Like yo, you're too big for this ride. You can't come on. Hey, you're bald headed. I'm gonna make fun of your joke. But it's you know, it's funny your hair even though I don't mean any harm from it is just an honest, mild joke. Like we can't do none of this shit. No more. Oh, that's how sensitive the society is now, and I'm tired. And another thing I'm tired of hearing people say oh, why don't you bring that energy to August Alsina. Man, let's get out of these people's lives. But I told you they have an open relationship

Anthony: 39:17

that I don't I'm going to get no no no, no, no, no, we go and get it. Right but

Jeff: 39:21

we don't know what situation they have. We don't know if he had a conversation with August Alsina we don't know if he's for August. I've seen that. We don't know if he gave him permission like yo, we don't know what Jada said they weren't even together when that happened. You know I'm saying so we should I don't want I don't want to I don't like going too deep into people other people's personal relationship because we don't really know everything that goes on in the household. Let them run the house or how they want to run. I don't like the jokes about oh, hey, have that energy against I've seen it. You know, man, I go ahead.

Anthony: 39:45

I love I love to go ahead. No, no, no, I'm gonna reverse back to what you said about the sensitivity of society. You can set like I said the whole thing. I'm fat and I'm bowhead. I'm gonna fuck with nobody say because you know why not that I'm sensitive is that you know, I've been through enough in my life. And I survived enough like, I'm not gonna let no joke like get the better.

Jeff: 40:02

And if you go to a comedy club, and a joke and a bunch of size your hair. You're not gonna go I'm gonna laugh Are you?

Anthony: 40:09

Nigga? I know what I signed up for it. I mean, I know what I signed up for. That's like going to the army like, Man, I can't run five miles. You know, it's part of the job.

Jeff: 40:18

I told you. I told you I've been I've been made fun of on the comedy meet my wife go to a comedy show. I told you the story about how she you know she was being heckled by Paul Mooney the one time

Anthony: 40:27

and Paul is Paul is vicious or was rest in peace. But Paul is one of most brilliant comics of all time. But Paul took no shorts for nobody. And Paul upset his acid stage because like it's tearing you apart. Right? Could you brought up Martin Lawrence, right. I thought yesterday, there was a video of him like it was coming out Def Comedy Jam he's talking about nice chatting to people in the crowd is oh cuz shout out Derrick Coleman like woof this this though, is shout out Derrick Coleman shots. I love it shout out Todd one. He's like he's like Thai ones like, you're like, you know Taiwan Dayton MC like he said, he got a tattoo, like me like on his chest. And he's like I used in Denmark says, I used to fucker. And in time runs out because everybody's laughing. And he comes back and he's like, it's like, yo, yo, my bad bro but trust me it's like a light at the end of that tunnel. Like he's still going at it. Then he did. It's a woman over there to think his left. And she has like all this extension in the hair. And he's like, you know, that there's a bald horse in in in Central Park is losing his mind right now. And everybody laughs It's not the sensitivity of it. Just when you have a brilliant comedian, they're going to say some things is going to make you think some things that are going to be funny. Somewhere in between. They all do that. Even Chappelle who I love does the same exact thing, right? So for me to think that that joke itself would be offended. I don't think the joke was it wasn't offensive because you know why will laugh right? He did hit a fine offensive like at all like he got the joke. It just said everyone felt like I guess she shot him that side, which wasn't necessarily a big thing. Because she's sitting right down, she rolls her eyes. Women are going to roll their eyes at men until this world stops. My mother rolls her eyes at me. Your wife Rosa. Yeah. I think your mother role as me like, ah, Anthony. Like I cool. So to make a big deal at it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The thing with August is I'm going to make this point and I want people to really, really listened to what I'm saying. You read his book, right? In his book, does he explicitly and I mean word for word, say that me and Jada have an open marriage?

Jeff: 42:30

No, they don't use those terminologies, whatever the

Anthony: 42:32

but they don't say it explicit

Jeff: 42:34

as what this is. As far as he goes. He says that Jada has never been a fan of the traditional marriage. And that they're arranged that he doesn't recommend their their arrangement to anybody else, you know, the situation they have is unique, whatever. And it works for them. It apparently it doesn't. But he'd never says like open marriage. But that, you know, that's basically what he sounds like he's implying,

Anthony: 42:58

right? I don't want to imply it's like asking, like, you shouldn't imply if somebody loves you, they should tell you, right? I don't want to think you love me. I need to hear the words, I need to know what we're in. Even at the red table talk. They didn't say those words explicitly, that we have an open mind. He says

Jeff: 43:14

he said that he grew up thinking that monogamy is the only way but you know, they realize that, you know, there's more ways to be in a marriage other than monogamy. So, you know, that basically tells you everything you need to know right there. Like she did her I do me, you know, I'm saying there's always been rumors too, that he fucked other chicks, you know, I mean, right, Harley Quinn, whatever, whatever. Okay.

Anthony: 43:32

But again, we're at the point we're making assumptions, because I don't when clearly said, Right, we're still at the assumption point. We're assuming whatever happened with August and everything else like that. So let's roll with the premise like that they have an open marriage, right? That there's certain rules and regulations that go along with it. Now that might work for them, not necessarily gonna work for other people. Again, it's not my concern, I really don't care about the Sexual Politics of their relationship. What I do care about is betrayal. Now someone's going to say how can you betray someone when you're an open marriage? Very simply, you can have sex with other people. But there has to be some kind of tax return agreement between you and I, about the person that you're going to choose to have sex with. Having sex with somebody is one thing. When I read table talk, she said that she was in a relationship he was she was in it. Well, yeah. And tangled, right? You call it intent, but but she said those words really like it's I was in a relationship with August, which makes it extra fucking weird to me. Because if it was anybody else, matter of fact, I don't want to disrespect in August

Jeff: 44:31

my favorite and August said more than she did. She was kind of vague with her whole shit. But when August did the interview with Angela Yee, and then when he went and made that song with Rick Ross called entanglement. He pretty much told us a whole lot, you know, I mean, he told us he was in a relationship where for years, like, Okay, how long were Jaden will broken up, bro. I mean, we never saw them broke up, like, you know,

Anthony: 44:49

and, and here's my problem with the people saying that, you know, they had an open marriage. And it's August. August wasn't some random person. August wasn't some random actor. August, was a part of your family. August was a friend of your son's August, sat at your table with your family. And he was going through emotional issues and stuff. And she wanted to counsel him, and she is not a fucking counselor to try to get him to get better as a person. He's a part of it. That's the problem. That's the strange thing. If it was with anybody else, sure. But because you're with someone who is literally the way you look at a part of your family, and you decide to do this, that's betrayal. Because if it's if you pick an out a guy you think he's attractive, something like that, and there's something about him and you want to explore the physical portion of it. Yes, but you're diving emotionally into person that you have said was going through emotional issues and needed your help. And you decided to have sex with this young man. And what the young man did is tell that story. And after he told us story, decided to profit off that story by making a song about the things that should have been quiet between you and him, because if your relationship has been open, I'm pretty certain that you have stepped out, and that will have stepped down. But no one has ever heard a fucking thing about it, you took on this risk of taking this emotionally damaged young man into your home to try to make him better. And what you decided to do was have sex with him. And all of a sudden, he will have to deal with that from that point forward. Because everyone's making jokes about it. They were simulating before what was going on with your family, but they didn't know not. In fact, they brought it to the forefront, you guys still don't say the words, open marriage to each other or out in person is a problem to me. So it's not the fact that they had it. She did that with him. If you betrayed me like that, and then I have to eat this and listen to this, and deal with this day in and day out, is emotionally damaging to somebody. And that's why I want to pose this question to you. Because when I was driving to work one day, I think it was Tuesday, I just turned the radio, I just turned the radio off. And I started thinking about everything that's going on. And I want to ask you this, how damaging and how hurtful and how painful would it be? Listen, as a man, if the person that you love the person that you've built a family with, you've had children with, that you call your life partner, that person or the idea of that person just brings out your deepest insecurities about you every time, because you mentioned a two part thing. Now I've heard Jada talk about well and very loving terms. She talks about to pack her friend, almost like she deifies him almost in God like term. And they said they're friends. But she talks about him that way. And even wills, like said in his book, he says compared to pug, he felt like he was a coward. And like I said, you have to deal with that. Right every day. Like you're jealous of a dead man. And there's nothing you can do about it. You can't have a conversation with two pucks in that. Have you guys ever did anything? You can't have a conversation like what is it about her that that excites you like so I can get a deeper understanding of to her is something missing there. And like said, you have to kind of carry that weight because every time people think of you, they kind of now with the book, I think of the two part thing Oh, when they think of you, they think of the August thing and you got to carry that weight. No one else just you. And it's the thing that makes you so insecure about yourself, which is weird because you're tall, you're handsome, you're rich, you're black people like you people love you. You're well adore but inside of your own household. You feel like you're the enemy that has to fuckin

Jeff: 48:30

and he's been living he'd been married to Jada for about 25 years. And he's living in the shadow of a man who has been dead for even longer. Correct who has been dead for about 2627 years. And every year or every so often, Jada will do some math. She came on the show and she revealed the letter that Tupac had written for her. Or she'll have a conversation with her daughter on the red table talk about how much she loved to park and all of this. Every so often she'll mention to park or she'll, you know, reminisce about Tupac, or she'll remind the world that Tupac is really her first love type of shit. And that will was just second to him. You know what I mean? And just just so demand emasculating and so I don't know, man, it hurt. I feel like it's a toxic relationship at this point. And I know he's always said we'll set that divorce is not an option here already got divorced once he doesn't believe in it. He said with him and Jada that you're gonna have to figure it out. He said in interviews, like it's not my job to make her happy. It's not her job to make me happy. We make ourselves happy. And then we come together and build on that. That's what he's always said. He said, you know, divorce is never an option. So we're just gonna have to learn how to deal with it and figure it out together type of shit. But God Damn man, like, we're just seeing him fall apart in front of our eyes, bro. And it's hurting me, man.

Anthony: 49:40

I'm getting that and I'm understanding that but again, it's the dichotomy the question that I posed hot, how can you be deeply in love with someone who's the person that's causing you the most pain? Like, please, please give me an answer to that. And I don't mean like an abusive way like he's hitting her or she's hitting him, but just emotionally like the thing that I don't like the things I think about in the dark the things that I cry in private and so on and so forth. Like I like I have to deal with this because I don't want to get the force. Man fuck that. Like you already in like, you know thing about like traditional marriages. They end you get divorce. You're gonna call it untraditional then I fuck it this is what we do. We'll just stay married I'll stay my eyes here you see us there. We got to talk to you. Our kids grown we good we got we're about shit. And sidebar again. If you're not a tough motherfucker don't act like a tough market just don't be a tough my fucker. Like after it happened. I think Jaden Jaden Smith like tweeted like this is what we do. No it's not nigga you saw it he had like stomach problems or something like that. Like like you bought to get to pot like like you try and treat like niggas like no, you're not to pug you Mobb Deep. You're not to pop like you go by they go ahead and get clown ninja stop. Knock that shit off like This is what we do. No it's not y'all never been that way because your daddy made it that way and calm down well

Jeff: 50:52

made it easy for the Academy because it was trying to ponder what to do and he just resigned. So let me read his his comments. He wrote a he made a statement said I have directly responded to the Academy's disciplinary hearing notice it will fully accept any and all consequences for my conduct my actions at the 94th academy awards presentation were shocking, painful and inexcusable. The list of those I have heard is long and includes Chris has family many of my dear friends and loved ones. All those in attendance and global audience at home I betrayed the trust of the academy I deprived other nominees of winners have the opportunity to celebrate and be celebrated for their extraordinary work. I am heartbroken. I want to put the focus back on those who deserve attention for their achievements and allow the academy to get back to the incredible work that does to support creativity and artistry and film. So I am resigning from membership and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and we'll accept any further consequences the board deems appropriate change takes time and I'm committed to doing the work to ensure that I never again allow violence to overtake reason

Anthony: 51:51

shut the fuck up we don't believe you need more people both of them responses between that one and the one he did right after they're all crafted like you're still trying to be Will Smith you're trying to craft the perfect message it's too late that the you know the show was over the curtain open everybody knows and everybody sees what it is because the thing that they're saying about will they're not calling real crazy to say that he's a man in pain so don't ended up with that you know I'm a work in progress shut the fuck up if you want to work in progress work that shit in private the problem I have with him and that family I don't have no issue with them at all as like people as like humans I don't have to that come to mind with I guess you can call them concerning the thing is that whatever goes on in this house stays in this house the fact that you put all your shit out in the street for everybody to unpack the world to see every time you guys have an issue with some shooting handle behind door just do it all you know right here at this fucking boy you know as far

Jeff: 52:48

as that and you know, started to ship August Alsina if you would have kept his mouth shut he would have still been breaking Judas back and nobody would have known a goddamn thing. Right he opened his mouth to whoever to Angela Yee to Oprah whoever the fuck he was talking to was the chicks name that always makes people toe on the soul

Anthony: 53:04

everybody

Jeff: 53:06

a black chick that always interviewed people flat many Oprah lady

Anthony: 53:12

Oh, I got it Okay,

Jeff: 53:15

get you going Gayle King. So he you know he started opening his mouth and then now Jada was like I mean you open your mouth is open and you can't get more just puts it you know I'm saying then he goes out and makes a song who's gonna capitalize on this on this entanglement she makes a whole song and and I saw the video the other day again, just to remind myself if you go back and watch the video of entanglement with Rick Ross, and now in August, I've seen the whole video is like a diss on on Will Smith. Like listen to the words listen to what Rick Ross is saying. He does play words with Jade. And will he does I got the will of Jay you know, whatever he says different words. And they're drinking some kind of liquor that's called Bel Air or whatever. I don't know if the champagne or wine they're drinking some shit called Bel Air and they zoom in on this shit. And I'm like, yo, the whole shit is they're just poking fun of oil on this fucking video. So he should have just kept his mouth shut. None of this should have happened. But I don't know. I'm getting tired of defending well, I'm not gonna say this. As you know, we talked about mental health and share this is not to Kanye West level yet? I don't think right? Is that safe to say? This is not like Kanye level shit. But Something's definitely wrong. You're gonna be counseling some, but this is my final thoughts on this. I'm not I'm not gonna defend well, no more. I'm you I'm getting tired of the ship. But it's gonna be my final thought. His actions are inexcusable. They're not being condoned in any way. But we shouldn't allow one moment of weakness. Define, you know, or destroy a whole lifetime of accomplishments. But this man, you know, he's been a model citizen. He's shown character morals, you know, I mean, he's been a great actor, good father, good husband, etc. So we can't just you know, all of a sudden act like this is the one that you know, 30 plus year career. This one moment this is literally the one blemish on his name. We can't let this define him. I don't think I think that's fair.

Anthony: 54:59

We don't get to do shit. That's on will. You can define where whatever you want to be. So you say to bounce back to hit like, like, like he always had a good perfect image. He was a model citizen. People liked him. He did good movies. He was entertaining. He was fun. You know who else that sounds like? Og fuckin

Jeff: 55:19

Yeah, but should come a little stop, relax. Let's not compare a murder to you know, to being slapped.

Anthony: 55:25

I mean, well, I mean one's a crime one was a crime No, there was never charged but the whole thing is like I'm not talking about the crime itself. I'm talking about the image that we display in front of people to try to show them who they think we want them to see. Oh, Jay was the same way star football player. Oh geez on fucking routes. He was on battle. Network superstars. He did move If he was on NBC, he was just a guy that everybody liked. Until one day that curtain came down. And often everyone looked at it as differently. Do I think she looked at world differently? In this instance? I don't believe so. Because I think that this is something and luckily, we're not really going to delve too deeply into mental health, but it between his book and everything that's been going on, there are some things that he needs to unpack to figure out who the hell Will Smith actually is, and the whole thing, and I'm trying to get across that. Everybody got problems. Everybody got issues, everybody got shit, they got to unpack that don't mean either, like, do the shit in front of the fucking world. That's what that's why it's why you know, if you do some shit, you know, your therapist can't really like go to trial against you. Unless you like, you're, you're telling them a crime, then by them foot by law, they have to do so. But the thing that you unpack behind those doors is between y'all to figure some shit out. You're not to be freaking the shit out in front of the world. I can see if you're younger, you're grown fucking man. And you did this and you embarrassed yourself. You embarrass your family. You're embarrassed, Chris. You're embarrassed quest. You're embarrassed. Will Packer you embarrass a lot of people? A lot of people didn't get them. Apologies. Like and like I said, the reason why I'm not shooting Will Smith no bail in this is because after the most paint, like the most difficult thing I could have done was embarrass myself in front of these people. Right? But instead of like just, you know, tucking my tail between my legs and going home, I take my eyes to a hot Oscar party. And I'm danced around a fucking trophy to getting jiggy with it. The fuck out of here. No, like, like, I've I've done some of where I've I have just embarrassed the living fuck out of myself. I don't want to be seen by nobody. He didn't do that. He went out. He had himself a good old time dancing all night dance to his own songs. Stones, trophy and air. This is I'm living no man. You just cause a national uproar, which you really shouldn't be over some shit that you cause and then you put out some really tailored try to script it apology, then you just resigned from the Academy. That's the whole thing. Well, I don't need you to put out a fucking speech saying you resign from the Academy. Write them a letter saying I resigned from the Academy. Go. You know, everything about him has to be performative. When he sat in a table with his wife, it's the fucking performance. I could see a man in pain but even in there like you know bad marriage for life. Give me a high five like ticket What the fuck you just did drag me out in the show. Making me an aspirin everybody else and even after that we still didn't solve shit. That's why we still back at the same stage wrong. It's ridiculous. It's dumb. The whole thing's dumb.

Jeff: 58:24

Whatever, man. I'm done talking about this man real quick. On a NAS news Illmatic WHAT THE FUCK YEAH, real quick, real quick. Illmatic Illmatic is set to be enshrined into the Library of Congress. It was announced on Wednesday, March 24 that the debut album from NAS will be inducted into the National Recording Registry. I don't know what the fuck that means. It sounds important. Sounds like a good accomplishment.

Anthony: 58:46

He's still to go that is a wild transition. That's why like you know after all the shit going on you know what not not getting shit in the library somewhere like oh man I don't have a whole episode about not unpack your like your unsavory love and fascination with them. I know you love that dude. Your heart your hearts is one thing is one thing we left out of this shit I think we need to have a small conversation about it do you believe that that act of the act of he occurred on that stage? Is that chivalry because to me it really really fucking isn't but I just want to get other people

Jeff: 59:22

in terms even all over the place in terms of like standing up for your wife and she like that

Anthony: 59:26

right because maybe like to be had it was like that was the proudest moment ever seen a man stand up for his wife I'm like that's a really trashed fucking take. Yes. Not to handle that. Yeah, I

Jeff: 59:35

don't know. Chivalry to me is you know pulling out the chair holding the door for the woman you know, I'm saying closing the door behind her in the car. That's chivalry you know, paying for the dinner. Not going up and slapping somebody I don't think violence should ever be put in a category to you know, to glorify that shit. Like, wow,

Anthony: 59:51

and the whole thing like why the fuck would you want to put your man in danger? You know, I mean, like, like, I'm like, I've never like dated a woman or been with anybody who was like super, super super mouthy. And out there not not in a bad way. Right? But like, we're just like, pop shit. Everybody come like, well, I guess we

Jeff: 1:00:06

have the situation where you got to constantly be fighting. And this footage, there's this footage of Jada like laughing when we went up in fact, she was having a grand old time.

Anthony: 1:00:18

And my whole thing was like that's it like it's not like shiver like chivalry isn't dead. But like, the whole thing it comes down to like, you should be you should honor love and protect the person. The key word is protect like if there's a danger situation get him out of there. But it wasn't a dangerous situation. It wasn't really protecting shit he was he was protecting his ego he wasn't protecting his wife likes it nobody knows yet alopecia like she's had a short haircut for years. No one would know I wouldn't know. I didn't know to my brought up to my attention later. And most times when women do certain things like that, it's it's whatever There's a family member who I consider family her name is Willamina and Willamina her her head is completely cleaned off there's no hair there at all but will doesn't have alopecia she does have autoimmune disease, and it's lupus and it's which causes more major effects. Anything else like that? I started losing my hair. That's kind of a that's a form of alopecia is hair loss. It's nothing major to really go in and try to slap the shit out of somebody about right and

Jeff: 1:01:12

it could be caused by anything. It could be stress, like I know people who've had that shit. And you know, it's not life threatening. It's not like it was canceled. Like if it was probably cancer. Maybe Chris Rock would have made the joke. I don't know.

Anthony: 1:01:21

Right? It would be known right? Because could be their fame. It feels cancer. You will be like, Hey, I'm not gonna make a bonehead joke cuz I know what you're going through. Like, as a matter of fact, I support you. Whatever you need is whatever. I don't think he knew. I don't think I don't think it's going to make a big thing. I don't think Chris should ever apologize. If Chris apologizes, I'm going to lose respect for Chris because it doesn't make sense to me for him to apologize some shit. He didn't do gun halls. He's gonna shoot. Why is he doing his job telling he's gonna? It wasn't me. I can see where green is apologize for certain jokes that he deemed offensive. Like, even they know that their job is the first advantage they go a little bit too far, like, fuck, you know, a little bit too far that most comedians do. If I'm going to apologize to someone, when I didn't embarrass myself, I didn't slap anybody I made a joke on on a one to 10 scale, it's probably a 2.5. That's that apparently someone took a little bit too far. I'm not apologizing for doing my job, and doing my job, what my job is going to be your host and tell jokes. I did that. And someone took the the weakness of the jokes that I had a bit too far. No fucking way. But I think it's What's taking them so long, to really kind of have a response to what happened because I think he wants to get to the depth of himself and really figure this out. Because even I remember the story before like Chris Rock, he went through therapy because I think he went through a divorce. And he said that he goes, which is I actually don't recommend for anybody that he went to see his therapist every single day, to go a couple times. That's how much shit he had to unpack. He went to a therapist every single day. That's a lot. And I'm not saying that we'll need to do that. What I do need to do is figure out who the fuck Will Smith is. Because the person that you've been presented to us for all these years, was not the person on stage or the person that was on stage. This this hurt, misguided young man who went through an abusive relationship on his own, who's going through some kind of mixed marriage that he's not necessarily interested in, looks at a lot of pain in Trump from on his life. That's the person that we're actually seeing. And that's the person we should actually know, not this carefully curated person that's been apparent on our TV screens and movies for the past few decades. But he has to figure out who the fuck that is.

Jeff: 1:03:34

Amen. But Barbara Kingsolver said hope is a renewable option. If you run out of it at the end of the day, you get to start over in the morning, the culture. This has been the slap heard round the world, peace