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The Man Behind The Voice

The Man Behind The Voice

For the first time ever, Jeff interviews his co-host Anthony Austin Jr. Find out all about the man behind the voice of The Culture.  What are Anthony's biggest fears? What are his regrets? Who are his favorite teams? All of these questions and more, answered in this episode as Anthony aims to motivate and stimulate.

Topics Discussed:

  • Fears
  • Regrets
  • Man crush
  • Being a social worker
  • Most memorable moment of career
  • Why doesn't Anthony want kids?
  • Favorite rapper
  • favorite sports teams

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Transcript
Jeff:

Yo thank you for tuning in to another episode of the culture your boy Jeff here with my man at episode 96 We almost there so almost episode 96 Bro we bought we're entering territory that very few people get to you know I'm saying

Anthony:

it's not easy

Jeff:

but first and foremost give a shout out to our culture crew okay our patrons we got the we got a new content on their exclusive ship we break down the blog post of the Top Rap flows check that out once again this episode is sponsored by ag one Athletic Greens go check that shit out. We're gonna do a little bit different today and every time I talk to somebody that tells me that they listened to the show. I'm always hearing you know that Anthony shore is funny. Or you know, Anthony is the star of the show type shit oh Anthony is very knowledgeable that he knows you know he could talk about a lot of different Shema yet. This is true. So I figured we let the people in a little you know, I'm saying on, on who the man is behind the voice. The voice of the culture. Let people know a little bit about the man.

Anthony:

Just a voice not the voice. bit pretentious him the voice of the entire culture. It's a stretch.

Jeff:

You're a voice,

Anthony:

a voice? A voice just like all these other podcasters out here. Try to get good visuals.

Jeff:

Or a voice of the coaches. Right? You're the voice of this culture.

Anthony:

I might be your mic a I might be Sierra go CZ.

Jeff:

But yeah, I'm gonna be interviewing you today. No secret shit. No, let's wait for the next segment now.

Anthony:

Do I look like a skier? Easy? No, not at all. There you go.

Jeff:

I'm gonna try to take it a little bit easier on you, too which Carter but the people need to know you know I'm saying who Anthony Austin Jr. is? If you don't mind tell us a little bit about your upbringing. Tell us a little bit about yourself sir.

Anthony:

Was born in Newark New Jersey raising this is kind of most of my life that family in Maryland in Georgia country to a degree country. They didn't have south but in the south south like in Maryland, like like they're slowly my great great grandmother's house. A long road about I see a 10th of a mile no shit and think about that longer than that. Then another house that a little bit further. There's like a general store and that was one long winding road and like houses here and in my grandmother in Georgia when I first went down there Herbert was getting paid for just that red Georgia clay. And that was it eventually got to it. But I mean, like I said back was I mean back was like the hunt squirrel and snakes and shit like that and cook them up and Mike said they they are what they are. I mean, I'm used to it. I spoke to him a while but that's just where I come from.

Jeff:

And UV and Snake before. Yeah, it's delicious.

Anthony:

Like rubber chicken. Oh, how's that delicious, bro. The description of that's not even advertised. Like for every chicken rabbit two rabbits delicious. If I will give you a piece of rabbit you think times chickens good like any chicken

Jeff:

the stranger should have ever had. I've had frog legs, which is probably common now. And it does taste like chicken. If it's cooked, right. And I've had Gator frog an alligator, right?

Anthony:

I mean it all kind of the same family the way we got to get amphibious? Yes, Nick is to but not like not like my big ethnic like you saw and like what was it? No, no, no. Is Adam Taylor movie? Um, The Waterboy like, the time was is Adam Sandler, his mother and Akosombo Houseman got like this big ass thing could happen and stuff like that. Like no humongous whatever, but it's delicious though. It is.

Jeff:

And we'll pass on that.

Anthony:

No problem. Nobody.

Jeff:

Somebody wanted me to ask you what's your favorite color? Blue is my favorite color.

Anthony:

I've never seen a man that says like, you know, like pastels, or like purples or yellows or roses, roses colors. None of them do. It's always blue red, white magenta. Right like men are very basic on a color scale like that. What are the six main colors and then that's it we don't really expand beyond that might do some shit like to Florida outfit but outside of that Nah, that's that's what we do.

Jeff:

My son keeps telling me his favorite color is green.

Anthony:

He might be colorblind.

Jeff:

I'm gonna go ahead man should be different.

Anthony:

How the favorite color green but all this Heroes is blue. Batman Superman like

Jeff:

and they all got the same colors and they should besides Batman, who's just all black. Everybody has one Red and Blue and the outfits,

Anthony:

right, but they do it in comic book to make the colors pop more. They can't do muted colors, but it's always like blue. I mean, green is fine. I don't know if they're gonna go with green like that.

Jeff:

I mean Green Lantern is green.

Anthony:

It's in his name. Don't be weird. He's a Green Lantern. He's red. Like, I'm sure I got differently. Yeah, he's a Green Lantern. But he's red like I okay. But it's like mad different lanterns. It's a yellow one. There's a red one. There's a whatever so it got to be a green one. Yeah, so could the green ones could agreeing with Alexa to be like, trustworthy an audible did like the space cops. Other ones are like, criminal. So it's uncle Robert Greene. For now. It's good.

Jeff:

You know, going back to your upbringing, what did your parents do?

Anthony:

My mother was my mother is a manager for a like a legal newspaper. My father was a firefighter. He retired six years ago.

Jeff:

That's dope. I don't feel like you see a lot of like black firemen. You know, I'm saying

Anthony:

depends upon a time. I think the racial makeup of the town doing makeup the racial makeup of of like the, I guess the I will say the special services in the area. Like he grew up in Passaic. Where do you see a lot of like Hispanic firefighters? Yeah, it was kind of, yeah, generally. You don't ever see like a bunch of white cops and like north or like a bunch of black cops and I know Short Hills. It's whatever demographic or the area's generally kind of reflective of like your police and firefighters and EMTs things of that nature. So yeah, he did it for 27 years.

Jeff:

So each other now?

Anthony:

Yeah, he's still trying to figure out what he wants to do with his life. I think he wants to move somewhere. He's keep saying South Carolina, tell them go ahead. Like a shit holding them up. Have fun, like, you spent your life going into burning building, which might be the dumbest fucking thing. And at that point, as relaxed is take it easy.

Jeff:

You know, if any, and this is not a no homo question is, who is your man crush, if any? Like everybody has that one dude, that they really look up to you? And I'm saying like, That's my man crush.

Anthony:

Probably Denzel Washington. Like, like I like, even when he just on some regular shit. He always just is cool, no matter what. Like, I understand people are soaking this thing about black Hollywood. And they feel like, you know, they're taking away our actors or rappers or whatever, so on and so forth. He'd been at the top of the food chain for a long time. I never heard one fucking thing about him. Not one. And everybody can cause some scandal, they said the wrong thing, or they did the wrong thing or whatever. Never had. I'm not saying that he didn't. I'm not even saying that. It's important to do. So I'm pretty certain that he does. But there's just some efficently coolest about him that it's always like a thing. Like, what was it? I think it's kind of traumatized about that a little bit. I remember watching devil in a blue dress my mother. And I remember how she stared at Denzel Washington. And I'm like, here we go. Now he's young, too, but I like my mind. Just kind of click towards him. Like, Shane, look at him. Like no friend can tell you that much. But I mean, he just he's one of those I would say probably maybe behind. I wouldn't say behind pride next, like Tom Hanks as like universal appeal. Like it's hard to dislike a guy like that. And I mean, he sees taking some weird movies. He's done some wild things. I remember seeing him doing Hamlet on Broadway years ago. He was excellent at that. Like he just we just effortlessly cool person. Like, let's call them my man crush. I got a problem of that man. Like, I wouldn't necessarily I aspire to be like him, but I can see how someone would want to like he just he's just he's well rounded. He's smart. He He He's loyal. He's religious. He's He's a lot of things and but none of that has ever disrupted his work or how he is and so on so forth. So yeah, that's my man.

Jeff:

He'll crack one of these days I mean, should have Will Smith can go up on stage and smack a man. Denso could get mad at some man will have a moment of weakness. Man men things came over to him to sort him out. Like

Anthony:

oops and then selling breaking like he doing like that he can sit down laugh and whatever. You know what some cameras go off probably different stories. You'll chuckle like I think my man. Yeah, he played this game long enough to know how it goes like you're not. And then you could throw it I'm not really like throw him off. Like, I mean, he should have won for Malcolm X. He did one for a bunch of different roles. But I mean, he's still one of the only few guys like if he's coming out with something, I'm probably there's no problem. I'm definitely going to see it. So that's who he is. He should be Professor X though.

Jeff:

The black Professor X.

Anthony:

Why not? Ooh, That'd be dope to comment on something he could probably do that. Professor Charles exhibit. It sounds good brother me. You're right. Like like Eric winter Magneto as a white guy. Hey, Charles, can be anybody.

Jeff:

Oh, he, he was created with Martin Luther King in mind. So,

Anthony:

yeah, the Martin and Malcolm thing, like a lot of people took a while to catch on to it, but like, that's weird how, you know, cartoons was teaching us young, but we didn't quite realize it. It's like we didn't quite realize all the racist shit and Disney until like, we got older, like, who would have you ever seen a woman like the Black Crowes? Like they just shucking and jiving? Boy? Boy? Like, kids get it from teach kids, right?

Jeff:

I stayed on the topic of movies. Who would play you in a movie? And then conversely, who would you play in a movie?

Anthony:

That's an excellent question. I have no idea who will play me. I'll let you take a crack and who will play me?

Jeff:

Well, he's dead now share the dude that played the black Kingpin.

Anthony:

Michael Clarke Duncan, correct. I don't have the voice though. His voice is way deeper.

Jeff:

I'm saying he will play you. Yeah.

Anthony:

I don't know. You were Plato who like like as? I don't know. No, no, I wouldn't be only brought with the king. Why not? Like that's a ballsy roll. And

Jeff:

Martin Luther King wasn't even bold.

Anthony:

Got a hairpiece, man shit. I mean, it's fine. All right. You remember I'm speaking of that. You remember? Stomp the Yard. Yeah. Right. Remember Columbia short? Yep. Alright, so this career when Tailspin all domestic violence shit when in whatever. So apparently, I think there's supposed to be like, it's just to be determined, I guess the production whatever. Well, I think I think it's a Mahalia Jackson movie. He's gonna play Martin Luther King. That niggling problems. The king. I could play Martin Luther King. I'm sure that

Jeff:

no, no, don't make your shave and put a toupee on. Yeah. I want to be the black penguin. The black Penguin from Batman. Yeah,

Anthony:

I want to Monaco with the top hat. All that shit. The cigarette holder? I want to be that. So that's what you would play? Yeah,

Jeff:

I think it'd be dope. The black penguin.

Anthony:

I want to want to be casted can't even be being progressive like that. They look they got it all fucked up over there. I'll just roll the dice and some other shit. This is make like a black, like Justice League,

Jeff:

the only black villain they keep making that was not even a villain this cat woman.

Anthony:

Right. And they're trying to get Michael Jordan to play a version of Superman. Like there's a Black Superman. I can't remember. It's, it's one of the Elves selling the barge. It's one of the it's one of them. Right? And he's supposed to be that oh my god, right? I mean, but try something different man. It's like I said with those cartoon movies, or those comic book movies, people have to kind of learn to expand their minds. It's a it's a, it was a movie that was based on a book called who? Percy Jackson and a Lightning Thief. It's a whole series of books like, young adult, whatever. So there's a white girl in the show and in the books and in the movies. So they're redoing it with their writer who did it. So he's going to be part of the thing itself. I think it might be on Disney plus or whatever. But everyone was like getting mad because they recast the young white girl as a young black girl. And a young black girl like getting death threats and shit like that. I'm like, come on, it's not that serious. It's entertainment. It's a movie. Y'all got to learn to be expansive with your mind, let these people be free. And like said he created this, like, let him do what he's supposed to do. But the fact that people get mad about someone playing a particular part, just because it doesn't fit the color. It's not necessarily outlandish, and to put into certain contexts, like I could say, Denzel Washington complete pretty much everybody. Would I have a problem with Tom Hanks playing Malcolm X? Yeah, I'll be interested in seeing it. It'd be. I think it'd be amazing. Because I think the guy's a great actor, but I don't think like color wise doesn't fit. But there's only certain parts with whatever. It's like me playing fucking Tito pointy. Like, no, I don't speak Spanish. I don't play. I don't play any instruments. I don't do anything like that. Why don't you do that? It got to kind of fit but it's one of the things like if you can, you know, flex it a little bit, go ahead and do so.

Jeff:

Fair enough. So tell us about your career. Man. You are a social worker, a social worker.

Anthony:

Challenging as fuck is dealing with people every day. The problem is I'm about to be evicted. I don't have any food. I don't have anywhere to live. I don't have X, Y and Z. I don't have health coverage. I don't have health care. And you're dealing with like not just regular problems. You're dealing with human problems, day in day out. And it's like taxing. And I don't necessarily think that a lot of people quite fully understand it. Like when people ask me how my day was the most like it's cool because I just don't I don't like talking about my job. I don't like talking about work. manufac I really don't like hearing about like a lot of people's jobs because like it's like, it's hard to kind of deal with that stress day in day out. I'm just saying for me i I can imagine it's for other people understand that they want to express it from time to time. But it's a lot when dealing with social services. And I'm not going to be one of people like, you know, that should pay you guys more like they pay what they pay man. I'm not going to stress about it, I'd be mad or whatever. But it just like I said, we have to work with in particular guidelines with the government sets, which I find patently unfair, because there's no flexibility, like I've had to deny people health insurance, because when we calculate everything else, they were like, $1 over the limit. And there's no there's no give, there's no leeway. That's just steadfast what the rules are. Or like, people are about to get evicted. And we're trying to, you know, get them housing and getting rental insurance and X, Y and Z, and trying to get people to work with you. And everything else like that. The only thing that I generally try to like to calm people down to tell them, like help me help you. Like, I'm gonna tell you exactly what you need to provide me which need to give. So I needed to, I don't want to hit shots about but my baby it is by Yeah, fuck all that, listen, do ABC you can get even more likely to be ready and eligible for XYZ. Just do it. But then some people don't want to do it. They want to put up a fight with you is texting. It's hard. But you get those stories when you're helping out people. And you know, it's changing their lives. Their kids have somewhere comfortable to sleep. Like their father isn't a nice nursing home. You know, their grandma can get the right medical cover so she can have like her surgeries and stuff like that. That part satisfying that job. And all in all, it's taxing and has worn me over the years. But those little things sometimes definitely make it worth it.

Jeff:

Do ya be helping like single mothers or whatever fine apartments issue? Yes. But I'm gonna let you off it and I got somebody looking for an appointment. What would you say has been the most memorable moment in your career so far?

Anthony:

There was a guy I'm not gonna name his name that he was applying for like long term care. We tried to get in touch them call them didn't answer to my email didn't answer to the letter didn't answer I sent him another letter didn't answer. So well. We did no response. But it did not have the case. Right. I've had denied I was like a week later, I got a call from starter. So you were trying to get fitted my father to gay I was trying to because the stuff was sent into us trying to get the squared away four. And she was like, Oh, the reason why he hasn't been answering because he has. I think it's like, like stage four colon cancer. And so he's been a hospice, you know, he's, you know, he's in hospital, he might end up in hospice all the time. Like, I didn't know that. So, let's see what we can do. Let's, let's see, again, helped me help you. Like, be like, do you have to let us Yeah, like, give me like everything that I'm asking there. I don't want you to call me. I don't want you to say I got this. I got that when you have everything. And I mean everything. Then call me. I'm like, Alright, I'll see about five, six days past so it was like, like middle of the following week. She calls me because I have everything. So you have everything. Alright, so do you have 20 minutes? Since Yeah. Okay. Now, I'm, I'm just going to ask you something once you answer everything, okay? So basically, like, instead of like me sending like a new application out to like, cheap I asked for everything on that thing. Word for word. Does he have this? Is he married? What's the social? What's the date of birth? What's What's x, y and d? Are you his? Are you his next of kin? Are you who is authorized? Rep. Do you know bank account? What's the account number? It was just that that? They said got everything cool? All right. So tomorrow morning, I want you to bring everything you have down to me to this building. ASAP at 830 in the morning. Call me I just announced this because I was actually going to use my 830 so she calls you got to come in for I was actually waiting on test Alright, give me this give me 24 hours to give me a call so I gave everything squared everything up stay a little bit late and I needed to get it all sorted out give some supervisor Jackie questions like now she got this she has this like this we can do we need to do so Scott put onto the system. His medical coverage was clear, called the doctor like everything we did got it for your father, it's in a system you can tell it the doctors that pull up the social, everything would be there. It'd be good to go. Like she gets quiet like like a minute. She just started breaking down tears like thank you like, like, like, you know how many times I call it different social services. No one picks up the phone or no one answers and no one does this or X, Y or Z and, and everything else like that. Like look, I've tried to help like set out doing whatever I can to get this sorted out and squared away. Three months later, I get a voicemail. someone's like, oh, we have a chance please give me a call. Like I get those all the time. Like I don't answer my part. My job phone. I mean, it sounds kind of weird. don't have seen after what I just said, it's because I get so many calls, like I leave a message, then let me analyze and look at whatever the proper thing can can be called back with everything. So this went on for like, a couple of days, then I'm like, Alright, let me just take this call. So call it and it's the guy and he's like, like, you're the, you're the social worker, what? Yeah. Like, like, I just want to tell you, thank you, my daughter got in touch with me, I was able to get the treatment that I need. I think I'm on the road to recovery. He's on a week. But he said, like, like, now you can do the certain things that you need to do, that he didn't need to be in hospitals to to get like a home health aid, that, you know, you could pay for his treatments, everything was pretty much all sorted out. I think I heard from a couple months after that he was doing better. I think eventually, I think things like a year later, I think like the cancer eventually wore out. But like things like that make the job worth it the kind of go above and beyond to help people that like a lot of people are trying to do that they too worried about this thing or that thing? Like, like, let me find a way to figure this out? And if I'm telling you no, there is no answer, trust me, that means I went every route in every way to try to get this done. And the fact that I was able to just just extend that guy's life a few more months to spend a little more time with his family and his loved ones. Even though it eventually, you know, he succumbed to disease and shit like that makes it matter.

Jeff:

That's touching me. I try. So you felt like that validated. You know, I'm saying like, you know, even if you had like a whole hardest day, so something like that we like I you know, this made it worth it took shape.

Anthony:

It's way more downs and UPS is way more because it's an online se it's not necessarily a job as a bureaucracy behind a job. Like sometimes just, they just won't allow you to do the job, the way that it will be functional. It's always changing the regulation this or changing the law that or do this or do that or try this. Like it's, it's always constantly changing and kind of bouncing back and forth with it and getting things squared away and trying to like, get things done can be taxing. Like all I see it as I kind of don't talk about none of y'all, I just want to help these people. And if I can help them, that's fine. All of a student's office, we got to be friends, we've got to be pals, we got to be none of that shit. This is what I need. Can you help me yes or no? If you can, let's go ahead and get this done. If you can't, I gotta break it off to the client. But it's this those things like that, that make it matter. It shouldn't be that way. It just that's kind of an issue with society as it is they just don't care about anyone who has a lesser income or they feel a bloodless, less life, but they're still human. They deserve the same basic rights and principles that everybody else does. If you can help them people, you should be able to help them people disregarding any other kind of shit that goes along with it.

Jeff:

The somebody wanted me to ask you what's your favorite author? We know you'd like to read James Baldwin, James Baldwin the actor

Anthony:

James Baldwin is an African American writer. What the fuck are you talking about? What Baldwin?

Jeff:

You told me when the Baldwin brothers isn't there James Baldwin?

Anthony:

No, no no you told me hello and brothers No no no yes some some random white actors my favorite no man James books TV No. Right he's very learn how to not shoot people part one. That's the homeboy that shot was Alec the one that shot the crowd gonna kill somebody. Yeah, that was by mistake though.

Unknown:

Yeah they say that yeah, yeah, he

Anthony:

was on set on a cube I don't think it's all set jailed and I don't think he's on set trying to kill people but the whole thing is like are you make the apology like the fact that like he went on TV to apologize man fuck that. Like you don't owe the world any other excuse about what happened like you need to talk to the family of the people that this accident happened to them I am sorry that this occurred it was fully an accident anything I can do to help funeral costs or whatever it I will take care of it. I am sorry. The fact he like he goes on TV and wants to talk about like, safety and problem like COPPA play like no, I don't I don't I don't agree with that. I hate that. Like if you if you do something you stand on it good, bad or indifferent. I think that was an accident. I'm very very certain it was an accident. And at that point, it isn't to make amends with the people that was there. It's not trying to put blame towards x y&z Just go ahead and do that and get the fuck on. That's all I gotta

Jeff:

ask you one more before we go on. Quick break. Sure. What's your favorite food? Yo,

Anthony:

steak. Easy. ribeye steak revive medium, medium,

Jeff:

perfect. redness in Yes,

Anthony:

yes. If he if he's they don't like well done. You're a sociopath. You might just eat you might have to eat a shoe. It's rough and tough. Shit. There's no flavor there's no tender you burn everything out is dry shit sitting there, like earned and it's just take it's tough it's not supposed to be and I supposed to cook the shit all the way through a perfect medium touch a pink in the middle. Perfect fine.

Jeff:

I want more, one more and then we go on break sure your favorite sports teams,

Anthony:

New York Giants, the Giants the Mets the devils missing the sport, the Knicks

Jeff:

like damn, I gotta mention these fools.

Anthony:

No, no, I mean, I mean they all kind of universally suck but like I said, I'm not emotionally invested in sports like that they feel my favorite teams. Yeah, so Knicks met giants. Devils have any other teams. Now that they're outside of that I'm just just

Jeff:

and we got two in common the Knicks and the Giants now No, because you're a Yankees fan and your Rangers.

Anthony:

You don't like to kind of give a fuck about hockey?

Jeff:

I don't but that's my if I had to pick a team it would be the Rangers mental hockey game. No, I hear that is way more fun in person than it is watching it on TV apps. The fucking movement is one of those games I feel like it's the same with soccer like it's so hard to watch on TV. You know I'm saying whether it's just that you know, the small puck going at that speed. You can't even keep up with this shit.

Anthony:

You know? It's realizing that these guys moving so fast on pieces of metal like barely an inch wide. It's fucking amazing and perfect. I can't watch baseball in person. It's about seeing them hot plus seats for like two and a half hours piss me off man was swinging somebody.

Unknown:

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Unknown:

They represent a culture to represent like, the culture podcast.

Jeff:

Alright, we back y'all. Now we're gonna get a little deeper. You know, I'm saying instead of man, pause, man.

Anthony:

We got to stop that though. Like, I hate that people take simple turns of phrase and it has to be gay. Like yeah, like, like, we're gonna get deeper into this. Like, come on man. And people like Paul said, like, Come on, man. You got to make sure you got a dig be talking about getting deeper into something. Because if you ain't got it, you shouldn't really be saying it either. Like, you're about to get deep into the shit. That's the worst. We're going to be talking about your IV bag and magic somebody bust me was the home girl like this little dick, Nick. I don't believe his lies, like see, shouldn't lie on those things that you possess. Just be honest about it to be just fine.

Jeff:

So let's talk about the podcast. Man. You've been with me since episode one since it began. So appreciate you for

Anthony:

Episode One. So

Jeff:

195 episodes 95 weeks ago. Has this podcast been as therapeutic for you as it's been for me? I wanted to ask you that.

Anthony:

It comes in handy sometimes. Sometimes it is. It makes me realize certain things about myself. That made me realize that sometimes it's easy to just kind of talk it through, especially when you're dealing with like things in society, life, racism, poverty, crime war. I mean, it doesn't seem like it makes sense and we talk about in regard to like culture, but the These things are definitive factors into it. When we talk about those things that go on in life. Like we talked about the police shooting like this new, it's a new talk about crime in the streets. I mean, they had a whole self destructive song talking about it. I mean, it's like hip hop has always been like, like, as I think Chuck D said, like the CNN to the streets, you is reflective in a world and society around us that deemed us unacceptable and chooses to eradicate us. And the words and the visions, and the rhymes that people create, it gives you the ability to fight back to the ability to talk about it freely on a form, we can kind of express yourself and not really worry about anything else like that. So you worry about it. I don't like, like, I'm saying what I'm gonna say it's gonna, I'm not saying it's gonna be the end of it. I'm always open to a particular discussion about cleaning product, think about why people that they're not that don't like him. It sounds to me like people. And I do like good people want to like, be happy. And like, sit there people have my colon my very smart, he would have grown up with and been around, I would never fuck with everything in life. But everyone white people have been, like understanding and kind and gracious and clear and understand, like their role in the fucked up system that it is and try to do their part to change it, and so on so forth. Now, I'm cool with that. So it's a particular thing. Like when you get a chance to actually talk through it, it's so helpful. But you don't realize it to actually get a moment to, you know, say it. You can say things in your mind and to your own brain. But when you get the chance to bounce them off somebody and see how like, you know, you change about things, your perspective about things can shift, as long as you do what somebody is understanding and trust worthy. Like I trust your opinion about this or that, then yeah, it can definitely help so but how does it help you? Or how has it helped you?

Jeff:

Well, I mean, we've talked about how we started the ship during the pandemic 2020 August 2020. You had just survived this scale, your COVID scared, and it became an outlet who was already talking on the phone a lot. Later on, let's just start recording the conversation. What was happening was Boss Boss he was having about racism about COVID You know, I'm saying these are conversations we was having on the phone on a regular basis. And that was therapeutic for me and itself. So I was like, let's just record the shoot. So I would say is just our conversations was therapeutic to me before we even started hitting record. You didn't say? So I'm gonna ask you this. Do you think the podcast has strengthened our friendship? Pause? No hormones.

Anthony:

It's kind of come and gone. Really? Yeah. But like I listened that was saying listen, talking like, oh, yo, my nigga shut the fuck up. Like, let me get a word in you. Like, you'd be talking like I next time, but hold on. I haven't get this off yet. Like, hold on now. Apologize for it. And I know in this and it's fine. It's fun thing to kind of talk through and work though. It's not. It's not a perfect fit. It's not supposed to be that's where it comes from. If it was a perfect fit. We born you can't talk to motherfucker that agrees with you all the time. Like you're not learning anything. You're not expanding yourself. If someone agrees with everything that you say your worldview is going to be limited because like, Whatever anyone else says like I know someone who agrees with me when 100% That's not fun as we it should be should be able to exchange that they should be able to exchange thoughts to be able to have fun with it. Does it get frustrating? Yeah, well, like I said, it's kind of a kind of part of the game but just find the ways around it to kind of find a way to enjoy it and find it to be entertaining. Like disregarding like the misinterpretations that caught off so on and so forth. You got to find a pleasantries inside of it. You got to find a reason to do it like this is 90 plus episodes and if I didn't enjoy the shit, I'd have been fucking stopped. I'd have been like you know what? I'm doing the shit no more have I thought about it? Absolutely. like nah, look, I'm certainly fine another functional co host and so on so forth. I wonder how Shaq would do but Shaq got all them kids though. We tried to have him on but you're never gonna come on cuz no he guy cuz he either doing some criminal shipment or demand on air. I didn't say the mail you said the manhole name I've never said this whole name now one time right talking about him being a criminal. But I don't know I'm talking about it could be Shaquille O'Neal for their concern like we want Shaquille O'Neal ahead Greg but like it different than the things like that and once you are able to realize that you can do certain things certain people to make things a little bit easier like what didn't you find like Mike randomly on some backseat shit? Yeah, right. And I might go here all the time. But I would try to other my focus and work out finish it said right? It kind of come to go like you found homeboy on Twitter who did a shoot at one time sitting and rambling on I'm like alright man cool. Don't want to sneak it back. If you want to come back come on, we can have it functional last conversation. But if you don't want to do that, it's cool too. I got no dislike in my heart for you and I will hate the man I don't have anything no problems with it's like you can do you can do more. Like I say once you realize how expensive things can be and how the reason Not life is limited because of the limitation you put upon yourself. But once you're able to push apart like past that and realize there's no ceilings like you can go as far as you want and travel as high as you want to if you really want to put the time in the work and it makes it worthwhile. I said this while I'm here, because even if it was moments I'd give up i still think that there is something here and as long as we can kind of keep digging and find it. It a hit upon something. I have no issue with that at all. All if you keep doing that, are they gonna be out? Appreciate that.

Jeff:

What's your biggest fear? Yo,

Anthony:

I don't know. No more.

Jeff:

You don't know it? Well, I mean, I guess from everything you've already gone through the whole COVID I think your perspective changed on a lot of shit.

Anthony:

Yeah, kind of like after like after dying like as a whole like, Oh, do you freedom shit doesn't really like click on my mind no more. Like yeah, like our did it once like the second time when that'd be the last time. Like my afraid of people first came out of the COVID thing. I was not no more. But I mean, I've been vaccinated. I know you're vaccinate you can still get it. But like I said, if you get it, it won't kill you. So it's a plus, but I'm not actively going around touching hugging every fucking body. So ain't no shit like that. It's more like, you realize like, is perspective about things? And you really shouldn't be afraid of anything. But people create fear. How does it lead to go fer? It means something. I can't think of it right now. Like some bring this look cloudy. But like, like the fear of things? Like what? Like snakes, no dogs, no spiders. No, you can kill those. Clowns, no. And just just take a swing out. Like a clown is a person it is a human and makeup just just just take one hard fucking swing, they're gonna fall down. I

Jeff:

was watching the Wayne Gracie documentary the other day. Look until the clown they found like 27 bodies under his house of some shit. Fear or young boy, he was killing

Anthony:

fear false evidence appearing real. You got like, even if you the thing is that you can lose everything. As long as you have your life, you still have a chance to read, you still have a chance to live and be better. You could lose everything. And the thing about life is that you're going to lose these things. You're going to lose a car, you're going to lose his family members, you're going to lose shit, I just had to store almost lost my wallet. We lose things. But that doesn't mean that life stops, you can still go forward. I think if anybody wants to learn anything from me, like, don't let the fear of anything stand in your way or progress. People like I'm afraid to be alone. Afraid to do this. I'm afraid to do that. I'm like fucking why? Why would you be afraid to do anything? At worse, it doesn't work out. But at least you learn something. It's like statement, he put an episode last week. And I remember that quote myself. You never lose. You either win or you learn but you never lose. But people they're afraid that if something happens, I'm going to lose. No, what's going to happen is that the result didn't work out, do what you thought it was going to appear in your mind. But in the end, you're going to learn something from it. So therefore the next time the opportunity comes around, you know how to act and react accordingly. And you're going to it's going to keep happening. Like you've been trying to lift weights forever. Like, it comes and goes, it comes and goes right? Yep. Right. But eventually you just keep going and eventually you get better. But there's gonna be times when you can't press it up, and then times you can't pick it up. But eventually you keep trying to figure out and find a way that you'll be able to do so you have to let the fear out of you. You have to let the bitch go. You cannot do that. So what's the point of being like afraid or scared of something? Nah, I'm afraid of losing people. I love people my life I lost my art, who's one of most important people in life. I've lost relationships, I lost friends, I've lost things. I've lost a car, I've lost my life. And somehow I'm still here. So the fact that I did that people need to be afraid of something shouldn't be afraid of anything. If you're afraid of being a tech carrying if you're afraid of people bothering you carry mace. If you're if you're afraid of people falling you learn to run faster. It's always things always ways around it. But you got to keep your mind solid about things. There's no reason to be afraid. There's not that you can work worries, fine. But you don't need to be afraid. It's too much in life to be fearful anything.

Jeff:

You might have a career and motivational speaking. How much they pay. I don't know some of those people will be getting paid though. Every time they do like our speech. We pay 1000s Here.

Anthony:

I hear for the check. I mean, that's a lie. I kind of am. But it's more like people. It's a black thing. Like black people have this thing. They always want to uplift people. I'm like, yeah, it's fucked up. And my son, you can't uplift anybody in everybody. They can't all come with you. It's so sad. It's so fucked up, say, but it's true in life. I'll ask you, for example, have there been friends that you've had let's think back 15 years to now that you had to let them go. The course of their life just wasn't, like, congruent with yours.

Jeff:

Yes. Right How the way they was moving was in, right?

Anthony:

So how'd you feel?

Jeff:

I don't know, I'm always torn. You know, when I'm having any type of conflict with somebody falling out, like it's a restlessness.

Anthony:

I don't get it. I was trying to tell you, man, like it's understand that, but it's really not your fight to fight. And if they feel a particular way, and that's fine, but until you want to actually sit down with me and actually talk this shit out. Unfortunately, it's nothing else for me to say to you what you say to me. I mean, it'd be great if he could, but we can't. Because no one wants to have the space of everyone's afraid of what might happen. The best thing that happened, we're able to work to shut out the worst that could happen, like, it's going to be where it is now. Like, I don't talk to you and you don't talk to me, and it's cool, your life will still go forward. But the thing that you need to be afraid of having them calm, conversations is ridiculous to me, I free to have fucking conversation with nobody, because I feel I'm at a particular point in life, like, I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with you about something, we can just go ahead and talk this out, like to function and as adults. Now, if we can't have that conversation, or does not go in a particular way, then we'll need to have it. But if we can, it'd be great. But the thing is that the idea of fear of being afraid of something of what, and eventually, like I said, even you've had the most spectacular life in the history of mankind, guess what, eventually it ends. So what's the point of being angry and upset and pissed off about life, we're not getting the chance to enjoy something we know eventually the surprise is going to end. As a matter of fact, you don't even know when it's going to end. So make the most of it now, wasting your time and energy being afraid doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Go be yourself, go enjoy, go. Go find out who you are and live your life and live in your truth and be who you are be the best version of you. That what someone thinks you should be or someone you would hope like your parents will want you to be or your kids want to be you just need to be the best you and once you do that, everyone else is going to see that and hopefully you know that light that you put upon the world. They all follow and try to light their own path. But you can't do that shouldn't be afraid. You got to push forward.

Jeff:

Nothing to fear but fear itself. I might start getting calls about like yeah, Anthony gay. We need him to do a speech at the university. How do we book them? I'm gonna start getting people your numbers and should

Anthony:

find out what the rate is. Don't have it if at $20 in a lab, we got 20 hours and we have a voucher some lunch voucher for a fucking sub like absolutely not, man. No. I need at least a two star hotel.

Jeff:

Yeah, what's your favorite feature but just

Anthony:

brain I can take myself out of Boston. MacGyver Lou to prove this point one day you know we should do should go to an escape room. I like I say booms you go to escape room. Because everyone because everyone bugs that escape rooms. And no one's ever thinking logically. Like, think about it in a way that makes sense. Everyone's like, they're in a room. They've started shouting shit. Yeah, they're touching one wall. No, no, the calm down. Like hold up. What's around us? Okay, all right, we on a clock. But let's it gets harder as we go along. It's going to be too easy shit. So let's get through this room. Like, like I've seen people do escape rooms and they're looking at places that don't make any sense. I think if we look under the left leg of the chairs, why? Like, you got to find something really big. You got to hide it under the leg of the chair like people that see people tear rooms apart like you just don't think things through enemy. But the part of it is a gifted as a curse. Because it's good to have the mind I have I guess. But it's irksome. Because people always ask you about shit because they figure like, Well, you're the smart one. You know this at my now most the time, the most time there Right? But I mean, I don't want to like, I don't want to be that guy. Like, like, you could read a book and find out the same shit. I did. Like I just I'm constantly looking at something. I'm like, even like, I was randomly on YouTube, just trying to look look at a particular recipe. Some shit I've made like 1000 times. I don't see if there's a different way to do it. And he was showing me like, okay, that makes more sense. It's a little bit more efficient and put everything together bit by bit. You can go I haven't tried it yet, but I might. But it's my brain like it's it's truly the gift and the curse because people always ask me to figure shit out and sometimes get frustrated about God dammit, man, watch us figure this shit out yourself. But then once I watch them figure it out and stuff. I'm like, Jesus Christ, you're fucking So alright, I help you. It kind of goes back and forth like that. But it allows me to be rational at times when I probably shouldn't be. But it's helpful for people because when they're getting overly emotional, I can be overly rational. I don't think it offsets it. I'm just trying to take whatever they're thinking and feeling just try to put it in terms of easily digestible for them. So they can I don't know, take whatever I'm telling them putting your own way so it can help you. But it's definitely my brain the way I can see things aware of you. The world is not like most people, so it comes in handy.

Jeff:

Alright, so then what are you not good at?

Anthony:

Technical shit. Like really? Like, I prefer? Oh, hi, oh, subscribes to people. I work better with suggestions than I do with orders. If you tell me what to do, I'm never going to do it. If you suggest it to me, I probably will. If someone was like, No, you should get that I'm not going to get it. Right. But if you tell me like, you know, I think that kind of works well with that hat. Oh, that works well with those shoes. Mm hmm. Give me something about it. It'll sway my opinion. I may not go with it. But it definitely something more interactive. But technical things I'm not I can put things together. But it depends upon the level of me doing so. Like and I always, always tell people like, do not always trust brilliant people. Because they're very, very, very good at one or two particular things. Not everything else. Like I can probably find somebody that's like, you know, really, really bright, but doesn't know how to like change a tire, or no, change the oil. Sure like that. Like I like, I couldn't do shit with cars. I just, I don't want to think that I'm not capable of that technical part of me that thing with my hands. I'm not necessarily great at when I connect my brain to my hands. I can but like, I'm always amazed by people who can do things like that, who can just like look at a car and turn it up, turn it on, they can tell you like, oh, the promise X, Y and Z despite hearing how to fuck do you know that? It's like changing spark plugs, fix this wire check about that. Just one of those things. So like Hanzi things not so great. I can do. I can do, like, putting shit together. It's you know why it's easy to me because instructions, read it. Right like, but if you just gave me the nuts and bolts and a bunch of pieces, like aren't putting it together, like I got some papers, or like, slot A goes into point D some shit like that. I can do that. If I can read along with it. But just doing that creative part of my brain to look at something and put it together like that. I can't that's definitely not a friend of mine.

Jeff:

All right. Now, what would you want to be remembered for?

Anthony:

That attach the lives of many people that occurred and I did everything I could with what I had. As deep. It might not be much. But if, if whatever I was able to do, even if it was for a little bit, I was able to help somebody. I'm okay with it. As long as I know, at the end of the day, I did the best I could with what I had.

Jeff:

And I felt like I already know the answer to this. But do you have any? Or what is your biggest regret in life?

Anthony:

Tons of them? Oh, really?

Jeff:

I wish I figured he was gonna say like, nah,

Anthony:

nah, because that

Jeff:

would go through makes you who you are type shit.

Anthony:

It makes it it's more like if I think the mistakes and missteps that we make in life are more timing than anything else. Like if you were to if you were to took that class or went to the school, like I wish I would have graduated earlier, I wish I would have I wish that I would have been a split second earlier reacting because when my Oh, my aunt had her her schroeck. Like she was there like I was there. But they had to call me over there. Like if I think if I've been a split second faster, things might have been different. I think that there was some adjustments and change that could have been able to record got in the way of me while using certain choices about the people I've known. The situation could have avoided the violence that would have dissipated from my life wasn't right around the right people. The people I've seen love crime, I've seen people be a part of the robberies jumping to shoot it should not be saying like, some of those things could have been avoidable. But But living in a particular place. And again, in particular life, I'm not saying that I was directly a part of it, just knowing that having that constantly around you and not finding a way to really escape it. It's probably why I got into breeding so much that like that was my escape from reality of the darkness around me and the thing that gave me hope and realization it's different ways of life. There's other things it's other worlds is whatever your imagination can take you in those those possibilities. So if anything I prophecy is that, that you know, there are mistakes and I mean like that that I've made in life, for myself and for others that I've tried to make amends for and try to apologize to myself and to other people about the mistakes that I've made. And hopefully that's enough, but I don't let it deter me to try to keep pushing forward.

Jeff:

All right, should I the next one you don't have to answer because I don't know if it's a touchy subject and not just because I've never asked you it before like some serious shit but I've heard you say before, that you don't want Are any kids? Is there a reason for that? Like, why? You don't want kids?

Anthony:

I never thought I'd be good at it. Really? No, I never, I never I was like, because my dad just wasn't a great father, like, everything was kind of put upon my mother, like that idea that whatever just taxing, like, I like, part of me wishes I would let that go. Like that was one of the things before about being afraid. But you know, having kids isn't a fear choice, like, it's one of the things like like, people do it all the time. But that don't necessarily mean that you're built to be a parent. A lot of people think so. But like, considering my job, I've noticed not true. Anyone can, like anyone can create life, that doesn't mean that you're well equipped to be a parent, like to have the temperament to have the financial ability to be emotional stability, the mental stability like that, I'm pretty sure like, you have one kid and I'm pretty. So sometimes you stress you get the fuck out. Fact, it's just one I've seen people with, like 4567 of them. And I don't doubt anything against them, if they're able to sustain and take care of their family is great. But I think part of that was just so much in the past, like realizing the things that I said, you know, in my childhood and father, not necessarily being in the absenteeism and so on so forth. And like finding different role models that a male throughout my entire life, somehow stayin at, that was always one of the things that's kind of a traveling point in my brain, like, I don't know, if I can be good at it didn't mean I would be afraid of it. And it means still might be a good one. But the whole thing was like, wasn't high on the agenda. i It's never too late to say never, it's always a possibility. And I think I've grown mature to it, it might be something and like, it does something that doesn't really claim my waking day to day life. If it happens in this cool if it doesn't, then it's fine to like say the whole thing about enjoying your life and so on and so forth from this, I'm happy. The fact that you know, for the people in people that I've known and the children that I've known that I've been a part of their life, hopefully I've made some kind of impact on them. What nice isn't got children and everybody in between. and, like that matters. But having it for myself. Maybe it's something that comes to light maybe doesn't, I'm kind of I'm contented with it either way, but I never felt it was something that I was needed for me to kind of like, be defining or legacy or something like that. As long as I'm still able to be out here and be able to you know, support myself and help the people around me and really care about and and look after those. I love hamari decision.

Jeff:

Maybe one day somebody change your mind, man. Yeah. All right. We're down to the final two questions, man. I'm not gonna ask you what your top five because we had a whole episode about who your top five rappers are. There we go check that out. That's our very first episode, Keith, but I'm gonna ask you who's your favorite rapper of all time? Ever. Because that's not as different than whoever your top fives are. You know, I'm saying right. Personal favorite rapper of all time. Big, Notorious BIG.

Anthony:

We have a small discussion at the end of this episode about that, too. All right, because what good No, because what yesterday, he'd have been 50 If he lived.

Jeff:

Yeah, they had a whole I was. I was listening to the rock the bell station on axon. Locals and they were just playing a lot of big shit. And for his birthday, the city they were doing some shit in the city, right with Diddy and all of them with the Empire State Building.

Anthony:

It started performed. TJ he's

Jeff:

trashed though. No, I mean, he's not.

Anthony:

It doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way. What do you mean? Michael Jordan had two sons. They never made the NBA, right? Like it's like

Jeff:

it doesn't always work out. Right? Please follow your father's footsteps

Anthony:

just because, right? Right, like, you know, big punts on the shrine. But he's nice,

Jeff:

but He sounds just like his pops. But he hasn't really made it as you know, as far as his dad made it.

Anthony:

And that's a flaw you're always going to have because no matter what, you're always gonna come. It's hard. Like, I'm trying to think is there any particular grade who had children that were great,

Jeff:

is hard. I mean, we were gonna have to wait and see what LeBron son does when he comes to the league. But it's been hard like, Muhammad Ali had a daughter, she was great. But she never made it to those you know, I'm saying, right. We have like you said, Jordans kids was in doing it.

Anthony:

When it comes off the top of my head and but it's earliest helenus career is Vlad Guerrero his son.

Jeff:

Yeah, his son looks real good. Right, but even like, even like the Hulu Charizard tavas bro, one of the best Mexican fighters of all time, his kids ain't shit in the ring. You know, Santa.

Anthony:

They're generally generally never going to be because they they have all the advantages that their parents didn't have like there. They weren't Burke. They're like this is like, like for those guys like to fight out of poverty. Right. They don't have that chip on his shoulder. Julio son would never go hunger far. because his father was broke poor, he was a warrior, like everything about Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. But he's a spoiled rich kid. And that was it. And everybody knew that Jesus wanted to do it because like, it's his father's footsteps, you can bank off the name. But God has asked him a couple times he stopped doing the shit, he learned. My final

Jeff:

question. What question, would you have asked yourself that I missed?

Anthony:

Hmm, what question would I have asked myself? Are you happy?

Jeff:

Are you happy?

Anthony:

That's what the question I would ask. I think it's a question that a lot of people duck, because I think they

Jeff:

think, because nobody's ever happy, like you go through your whole life. And there's always gonna be some that you're missing. You want to do some, you know, I'm saying,

Anthony:

I think there's always like, I think we define happiness like moments. Like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. I'm pretty sure like, what what what happens in life was, maybe the day you're married, and maybe the sick? Oh, I wouldn't say second, maybe one is the birth of your son. Right? Right. But there are moments like these moments that you're supposed to have like the moment you graduate from college, right? The moment you get this great job, this great. First house, your first car like that, these are moments. They're not the things that make you happy, like there's little thing within

Jeff:

you that we strive for the next moment, you know, I'm saying and the next moment, the next moment, that's the whole life is just a series of moments, right? But but there's a series of hellos and goodbyes, we become happiness junkies, we're

Anthony:

always searching for the next moment. But really, it's like, you're happy every day. So realize it, like little small things actually make you happy. Just, it doesn't register on a scale that it does. Like imagine you go into like, the store, like they have like the well you don't really have a coffee person. But the common have like the perfect cup of coffee, it comes out right on time. It's nice and hot, right amount of sweetener, right amount of fucking cream. And they can tell you, just like that, like, Ah, you just drinking it, and the music's good and the weather's good, you're happy. But you don't think of the moments all the time. They happen all the time. But we're always trying to search for these things that make us happy. We don't really realize that we need to put the effort into making life worthwhile, make life worthwhile, we realized that we're happy that those ups and downs that come along with it, those moments of growth, spiritually, emotionally, so on and so forth. The things that we do to proceed forward as people, that's where happiness love, it doesn't happen to other people. If you're dependent upon someone else to make you happy, you're never going to be I'm sorry to tell you that you're never going to be happiness is internal. You got to find the things about yourself, that you put out that lifestyle light inside you that makes these things enjoyable. It can be something simple, it can be the right music on the right drive to work, or the right joke at work or the right, you know, situation that some silly shit happens at the supermarket, whatever. There's always a little moments of light that you got to kind of keep impactful in your life that really realize that life is fun, life is enjoyable, and it sucks sometimes. And that's kind of part of it. But that doesn't mean you got to stop living just you can't run down to sit down moments and just enjoy this shit. This ride ends eventually. But what's the point of going abroad is not throwing your hands in the air a young week.

Jeff:

The motivational the inspirational. Anthony Austin Jr. The man behind the voice. One half of the dynamic duo of the culture.

Anthony:

Say like, like I'm awesome shit.

Jeff:

That you put the interview man. Anytime? No, not

Anthony:

anytime they get. We've done it. IW you interviewed me and if you might next where we should do that. Just mad questions like what's your

Jeff:

birth certificate? When was the last time you said the N word?

Anthony:

Have you ever? Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? What is your track record? Did you ever wear KK hood? Name your four best track master records with eight ball jackets? Dubose FUBU. And Sean John Rankin

Jeff:

ever cheated on Rin? belaid? No.

Anthony:

Like, are you sure? Are you sure?

Jeff:

Shout out to Mikey she.

Anthony:

Yeah, go ahead and keep doing dope brother. Oh, and like I said before we go. Yesterday was May 21. That would have marked the would have been the fifth ESDs that's crazy. Being 50th birthday. No, that's never the crazy part about him. To me. It's never the crazy part. The crazy part. You kind of realize like, how old are you? 38 right, that men like

Jeff:

him and like to accomplish a whole lot. He was only like, what 25 Both of them were 25 years old. That's crazy. We're still trying to figure ourselves out at 2425 I know what the fuck I was trying to do my life trying to figure stuff out now. These dudes have platinum albums multiple All music videos movies all types of shit

Anthony:

lives careers anything by 25 years old and that's why I always tell people like said life is worth living because like I say, you never know when it's going to end. Like it's imagine like having this kind of life and you haven't even hit 30 yet. Like I like I can't even think back that far I can match kind of fuck shows going into my early 20s is ridiculous. The fact that they had hold as careers as a matter of fact, I'll do this real quick I'm pretty sure you can't ask it but we're gonna get it off the top your head so if there's a big and it's a big Mount Rushmore with four songs on it for you

Jeff:

for big, juicy okay,

Anthony:

I hate that song but

Jeff:

it's juicy. No,

Anthony:

I do. It's it's it's a lot of people alien song. Like aliens came down to this planet and they asked like what is right, more people could use like, I don't know why it is okay, but I'll get it

Jeff:

as it embodies everything about hip hop. So I'm picking juicy pick in victory victory

Anthony:

112 It's one of my favorite lines it's one of my favorite lots of the best one any my pick one Tyson Jordan and Jackson action pack

Jeff:

like ridiculous and quick to busted my ends you touch your test so that though that's too

Anthony:

juicy victory.

Jeff:

Yep. Maybe big papa. Okay. I will say hypnotize but that's just because it was probably the most commercially successful so he did. But it's not one of my favorite trending. Fair enough. It's just you know, that's what put him on the map like as a commercial sensation type shit, you know? I mean,

Anthony:

you know what makes it hard for him because he only had two

Jeff:

albums. And one came out posthumously. Yeah, it's a tricky part and people still put them in the top and that's my argument with big fun like saying the same amount of albums

Anthony:

you talking about? Man you want to you want to do what a part of versus notorious versus Oh, I never thought of that. Any day anytime you want to bond by me.

Jeff:

I remember to go check out the website the culture dot one check out the blog. Edith Wharton said there are two ways of spreading light to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. This was the Anthony Austin Jr. Interview

Anthony:

or two sticks and Apollo leaf and you're rubbing together you can start because I'd like to start a fire that way can't like get this whole thing to say Say it one more time.

Jeff:

There are two ways of spreading light to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it

Anthony:

to be the candle or to be the mirror reflection right but how do you light the candle to either side it's the only matters brother you want spread light gotta start first

Jeff:

match like look and so you're not a technical person when are you trying to get technical

Anthony:

look the song goes This little light of mine I'm gonna let it shine but you got to light got light to shoot first right you got to start fire or be the mirror that reflects it good for you either way to be positive seem to see that this White can be a motivational speaker against my backs are shitting on the audience. You do better and your credit, pace and your bank account your poor