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Feb. 14, 2022

The Law of One with Stephen Martin

The Law of One with Stephen Martin

Stephen Hawley Martin is an award-winning author, editor, publisher, and an avid researcher into the afterlife. He has written over two dozen fiction and non-fiction books and is the former principal of the world-renowned ad firm, The Martin Agency, that created the Geico Gecko, and the Virginia is for Lovers campaigns. Stephen Martin is the only three-time winner of the Writer's Digest Book award.

Topics Discussed:

  • The Afterlife
  • Reincarnation
  • The law of one
  • The infinite mind
  • UFO's and Aliens
  • The 3rd and 4th density realities
  • Religion
  • What is God?
  • Out of body experiences 
  • Are we eternal?
  • Mankind's destiny

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Transcript

Jeff:

Yo yo yo, yo yo, thank you for tuning in to another episode of the coach. Your boy Jeff I'm here with my man and what up homie

Anthony:

say want to keep it short was named some whole other things like we got to get to it first but on my back end this happened and I had like all right all right we got time. We're gonna get to it

Jeff:

but Yo, this is episode 82 Let's give a shout out to our culture crew think that's what we're gonna name them the Crota crew that work.

Anthony:

It'll work it'll work for now it's a working title.

Jeff:

Yeah, I mean I wanted to do a change of pace for this episode. I mean, we've been doing a lot of talk about racism, you know, rightfully so. But today we're going to interview a gentleman by the name of Steven Martin. We're gonna be talking about some deep shit like reincarnation afterlife and all of that. But first I wanted to touch on the news that Snoop Dogg now owns Death Row Records it's like he went full circle which What's your thought on that shit?

Anthony:

I know people are like impressed by that but you probably bought this ship for like $10 shit

Jeff:

now right?

Anthony:

What was it I'm a toy company owns it

Jeff:

That's right Hasbro yeah named do shit with it.

Anthony:

No they had the rights and trademarks and all they had they had everything like it was just part of a sale so if Hasbro bought it It was like nothing to them It's probably nothing that's stupid like the funny thing is like he bought it but it didn't see a price even students not going to because it probably would you buy death row for like one point Yeah, like like that's it

Jeff:

right if it would have been like real expensive if it would have been worth something somebody like Dre would have bought it you know somebody like Jay Z would have bought it

Anthony:

right if he was extremely wealthy and someone else has extreme amount of wealth right but this is like yes he can sit by death row to buy death or death row no one I'm looking through right now and no one's naming the price like he bought it like you know how like when someone tries to buy a house and they bought on like a short sale like when a bandit definitely

Jeff:

for like half a mil yeah man but does that mean I wonder if that means he owns a catalog to shit does he own like all the two packs here the DRE shit you know what I mean? The dog pound Good question if he owns all those catalogs and that was valuable that was worth some

Anthony:

now he probably owns a record label because it could that stuff was valuable private would have been knowing how the industry goes I mean that would have been included within it. But since it was under like you know sugar and sugar had all those legal issues gonna prompt everything else today shouldn't party so the rest of that shit off mic cuz I'm going to roll with the assumption that Snoop already has his own master Can we can we assume that

Jeff:

maybe I did Master P I mean Master P poly on some of his shit.

Anthony:

He owned the ship from top to bottom. So yeah, like no limit was with P from beginning to him and him and him with him and him and his brothers. Well, him and his brothers so they had this shirt from the RIP so that's why people feel so rich. I mean all other ventures and shit but I'm interested to hear more about the story like I know that this happened but I mean it's big. Kind of like you said the the whole thing going just this next round circle like you started off there and I want to say at the tail end of his life, but you're able to own the place where you want to work

Jeff:

right. But Hasbro but Hasbro Hasbro definitely dropped the ball you got me to tell me they couldn't drop no toys no action figures no Snoop Dogg and Dre and Chuck Knight actually figures a song

Anthony:

because they might have owned a record label but not the rights to the okay right right

Jeff:

right to the image and likeness

Anthony:

to the individual's right the you know the likenesses do my own like so they might not own like Death Row Records and they might have own like that death row symbol of like the main electric chair, but I thought of that everyone else that was pretty much when I leave what else? I'm not going funny about it but worth a damn. They forgot controlling the own thing. snooping starbond three to 10 over $100 million his ex wife I think they're fine.

Jeff:

And then he's coming out with a new album is something called like, you know back on death row or some shit like that. I was looking at the playlist I got a song with NAS on then they got a song with a dog. Other than that I see no other deaf role plays on the AMC Dre on a you know, I mean, corrupt. So I was like this doesn't feel like a death row album to me.

Anthony:

Maybe your rage. Yeah.

Jeff:

I see. No, no.

Anthony:

It's just one of the things like if you had the death row symbol on it, that's it. It shouldn't work for everyone else got other lives. Who cares? But good for you. Snoop, man. Congratulations. That is a big move.

Jeff:

Where man so yeah, like I said, we're just gonna change it up a little bit this week. And we're gonna interview this gentleman and we're gonna take an early break. When we come back we're gonna have Mr. Steven Martin with us.

Anthony:

Wait, wait, wait before you take that break. Tell Tell tell the people in the world who the favorite person you met this week. Let's not leave that out. Since you want to be somebody

Jeff:

now. I mean, I wasn't gonna come on him brag. But I was on a zoom. He might

Anthony:

be listening like I like like you brothers podcast. Welcome. Oh, hell yeah.

Jeff:

I mean, I did have I was on a. I was on a zoom call with one Irving Magic Johnson a couple of days ago.

Anthony:

Now I do have a question. Now. Whenever Wouldn't it when people ask them question do you call it Mr. Johnson? They call it man buddy

Jeff:

just calls them magic. Nobody called them Johnson. Nobody called them Irvin. Everybody just called the magic even on his screen. Everybody has their name up on the screen. There was a zoom call his shit said Magic Johnson.

Anthony:

Like, excuse me, Mr. Magic is, yes,

Jeff:

very disciplined, very successful. He was just talking about business, obviously, it was work related. So you're talking about success and you know, being the change in your in your field and, and being disciplined. And the guy was just talking about all the shit he owns. I mean, he's richest shit. And he's disciplined. As she talks about, he wakes up at four in the morning, every day to work out, and then goes to his office to start his day, talks about all the theaters and restaurants and all types of shit that he owns.

Anthony:

But he's right, you can't have one without the other. You cannot be successful unless you discipline like it's

Jeff:

dumb ox about setting goals. You know, even he went all the way back to his playing days where he said he had a bucket list. And I do this now to obviously, I think all successful people talk about this when you know, write your goals down so you can see them, you know, you materialize them. And he said on his bucket list when he was a player was to play with Michael Jordan, and to play with Larry Bird. And he said he scratched it off when when, you know, when he got to play with them on the Dream Team. Dream Team, right? I'm saying he got an assist from both, you know, out of both of them, you know, and he talked about they described passing the ball to Jordan, Jordan with the tongue out dunking it, passing it to bird bird shoot the three. And he you know, after the game, he went and wrote that shit, check that off his bucket list. But the story that he told that to me was was fascinating. was when he started his Magic Johnson theaters in LA. He said he met with AMC, right? He said he met with the leaders of the Bloods and the Crips. He said he met with all the leaders of the bloods in a crib, and he sat down with them. First of all, to tell him like, Yo, my business is off limits, don't fuck with my shit. And to to give them jobs, you know, I'm saying he said he gave them jobs. He said, You know, the Crips and the Bloods help them build these theaters. And then, you know, he gave some of them jobs. And, you know, that was his way of giving back and his way of keeping them off the streets and looking out for them. So they also look out for him. You know, I'm saying he knew he wasn't gonna mess with him if he was looking out for them. So I thought that was interesting shit.

Anthony:

And he's gonna leave that out. You're gonna leave inspiration out and just be like, Nah, yeah, I would have I would have probably mentioned the next inspiration. Oh, shit, man. Fuck next week, he did it this week. Don't worry about next week. Don't Don't be saving for Black History Month. Let it go.

Jeff:

You're right. And when when he was on the zooming, and I was on mute, so I didn't raise my hand. I didn't ask him. You know, there was obviously enough people asking questions and Fanning, you know, being fanboys and fangirls. So I was like, I'll just listen. But it didn't even occur to me. Now, one time that, you know, there was an African American there representing for Black History Month, you don't I'm saying? Like, I just thought, Okay, this is just a successful gentleman, like, coming to talk to us about success and about business and all of that. But yeah, it was a cool experience. I took some screenshots of the of the screen just to just to capture the fact that I had you know that I was on a zoom call with magic. And I'll say this, he's a shiny, he's a shiny looking motherfucker. He wasn't listening on that screen.

Anthony:

Well, I don't I don't know what kind of serum users can but I've never seen that man look ashy,

Jeff:

when he's using that anti HIV serum,

Anthony:

anti HIV, anti agent anti or whatever. I think I think what a guy like him would that level of success and everything else like that? That's kind of part of the like, as part of the protocol. It was like, I'm going to be seen everywhere. Like, I can't bear hair looking crazy once because you never know. I'm going to like being a two factor. Like no matter what you can imagine to these people. You got to stick with that. Yep. And

Jeff:

he was definitely magic. He was very charismatic, articulate. But yeah, let's take a quick break, man, and we'll get back after this.

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Jeff:

the culture podcast guest is a very accomplished gentleman. He hosted a popular weekly internet podcast called The Truth About life. He is an editor publisher of the Oakley Press Inc. He's a like I said, a best selling author. More than two dozen books. FORMER PRINCIPAL of the world renowned ad firm that created the Geico Gecko in Virginia is for lovers campaigns, the marren agency. This gentleman goes by the name of Steven Martin, thank you for joining us today,

Stephen Hawley Martin:

man. Well, thanks. I'm glad to be here. Looking forward to talk to you.

Jeff:

Yeah, so apparently, you're here to enthralls us with your insights about true nature of reality, afterlife and reincarnation. And I can't wait,

Stephen Hawley Martin:

whatever you want to talk about. Yeah, yeah.

Jeff:

Well, how about you tell us a little bit about yourself first or audience and get to know you?

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Yeah. As you said, I spent most of my adult life in the advertising business. But I've been writing books, oh, gosh, for about 30 years to you know, when I was working in the ad agency, man. Now, I pretty much do that full time and do a little consulting. But I have a little business, the Oakley press, if anybody out there has a book they want to have published. Or if they need editing and ghostwriting, they can get in touch with me through my website, and I'll be glad to take a look at what they got. Sh martin.com Sh martin.com. Yeah, I grew up in a family that was very scientifically minded. They, they were what I call scientific materialists, they believe that if you couldn't see it under a microscope, it didn't exist. And when I was about 25, which was a long time ago, I had what I guess would be described as an out of body experience. I'm not sure it was a near death experience, although I was really pretty sick with the flu, to I popped out of my body and looked at myself down the bed and thought that gee whiz, you know, I always thought I was my body that I am my body. But here I am up on the ceiling, looking down at it, you know, and that started me thinking and really start to be on this quest to try to figure out what is true. You know, you learn in science in school that matter is everything that there's no such thing as a spiritual dimension, or, or whatever, you know, let certainly with the scientists been teaching for the last over 150 years, maybe even longer. And that shook my faith because I grew up with that idea. And that was what my teachers told me in school and what my parents thought and then here I am outside of my body looking down at it, you know, and if, if my brain creates consciousness, and I'm up here on the ceiling, my brains down there inside my body, how does that work? So that's what got me going on this, and I've been working at it ever since. There you go.

Jeff:

Wow. So you said you had a very scientific driven upbringing. Does that mean anti religion? Were your parents like anti religious?

Stephen Hawley Martin:

I wouldn't say they were anti religious. They, you know, they, they were not. I wouldn't say they were believers in the sense that they were strong Christians, but we did you know, we went to church, Christmas time or Easter, you know, a few times a year. But I mean, they weren't. My mother was anti Christian fundamentalists. I will say that she thought, you know, Bob, she called them bible thumpers. But no, I mean, they weren't. They didn't they didn't never told me they were atheists. They might have been but you know, we did. We went to church at Christmas and Easter, and that's about it. Tell you the truth. I

Jeff:

find that interesting. But they were more focused on the things that you can prove. Correct. As opposed to blind faith.

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Yeah. And another thing is that I'm descended my seven times great grandmother was one of the Salem witches. She was tried, convicted and hanged of witchcraft in 1692. And my mother was kind of more upset about that. I think that my father is actually my father's ancestor. Susanna North Martin was her name and, and so she thought my mother thought that you know, here, Christianity had had been responsible for executing this woman. Who? You know I've studied the situation. I've read all the trial records. I've read the depositions, I've read the histories. I've even written a book about my seven times great grandmother called the witch of aim. So the name of the books, the Witch of Amesbury. She was from Amesbury, Massachusetts. But she was tried in Salem. And I don't think she was which I think there were some women and men who were practicing witchcraft back then, but she wasn't one of them. And you know, she was false and falsely accused and executed. And I think my mom had a kind of grudge against the Christian church for that reason. So, you know, there are my father's father, his my grandfather, whom I never met, because he died before I was born, but he was a Methodist minister. So my father grew up and he was a minister son, but he was not a Methodist. He, he did. I remember he died when I was very young. He was I was think I was about seven years old when he died. But he I remember going to church that he selected, which was the Unitarian Church, which was a church that was founded by Thomas Jefferson, kind of a deist kind of church to get called Unitarian because it was, the idea was to bring all the religions together into one place, and that church still exists here in Richmond, but nobody would accuse it of being a Christian churches, you know, they espouse Christian values of, you know, the Golden Rule Do unto others as you would have others do unto you, but they're not. They don't believe that Christ was literally the Son of God, conceived by God and born in the Virgin Mary,

Jeff:

the all this all this stuff is interesting to me. But I want to get down let's get down to the, to the nitty gritty. Because I have a bunch of things I want to ask you. Let's start off with your thoughts on reincarnation, because from what I understand you you you have strong feelings about that topic.

Stephen Hawley Martin:

I do I believe that reincarnation happens. I believe that for a number of reasons, but probably the one that seems to be most scientifically solid, is that there's a unit, a division of the medical school at the University of Virginia. It's called the Division of Perceptual Studies, D O. P. S. And they have been studying the children's memories of past lives since 1962. And they now have something like 2500, or more cases that they've checked out where the children typically when they when they parently, remember past lives, start talking about it when they start talking, which is usually 18 months, two years, and they usually continue up until they're about six years old, after which they kind of forget about it and go on, you know, like normal children. But they back in the early 1960s 60 years ago, there was this gentleman who created and developed the Xerox machine and made a whole bunch of money doing that. And he was interested in reincarnation, he was, I think, also interested in Buddhism, which of course, believes in reincarnation, and he gave the University of Virginia a bunch of money. You know, I don't remember how much 100 million dollars, no, some big, big, big amount to study reincarnation, and there was a guy named Ian Stevenson. He was the head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia. And he was a graduate. He was a Canadian, he was a graduate of McGill University in Canada, but he was head of the Department of Psychiatry, and he was interested in reincarnation, too. So he took that opportunity with all that money to start studying this. And he, I believe, died in 2007. But he has written a whole shelf full books about reincarnation or case studies. And he went about studying it very methodically, and in a very scientific way to try to figure out whether in the these children really had true memories of past lives. And he has came to the conclusion that they did I mean, he his very first book on the subject, I think came out in the late 1960s. And it was called 20. Cases suggestive of reincarnation. He has since then wrote a whole bunch more. And there's another guy who took over from him whose name is Jim Tucker, who is also a psychiatrist. He's a child psychiatrist at the University of Virginia, Google medicine and he has written at least two or three books given case histories on these children who remember past lives. So they say that they have checked out at over 70% of those 2500 cases there. They've said At checkout in terms of what the child says, what he says his name was his occupation, who his wife was, where he lived, all those kind of things, that they were able to go back and check to, indeed matched up with somebody that he claimed to have been. So I come to the conclusion, it's hard to argue with 2500 cases it must happen. The only question is whether it's commonplace or just happens, because a lot of these children that do remember past lives, were had their lives cut short. A classic case is one. Yeah, classic case is one where probably a lot of people have heard it, heard of it, because their parents, his parents wrote a book about it called Soul Survivor. And he was he believed, while he was a pilot in World War Two, and was shot down at the Battle of Iwo Jima, and everything matches up with what he believed even remembered the name of the aircraft carrier he flew off of, and the names of some of his friends that were his buddies, that were also pilots, all that kind of stuff. So, you know, his life was cut short, I think he was 21 or 22, when when the plane was shot down, there are a number of other cases where there were people killed in battle, some who were murdered, others who were killed in accidents, things that a lot of them, I think, up to like 70% of the children who remember past lives had had their life cut short in some unnatural way like that. One person was run over by a train. And the interesting thing is that many of these who were killed violently, whether they were murdered or killed in an accident, come back with birthmarks that in that were the indicate the wounds that they were killed by one case, I think it was in India, where there was a guy who was a teacher who was riding his bicycle to school and somebody had a vendetta against him and shot him in the forehead. And the exit wound, you know, came out the back of his head. He was born with that spot there birthmark on his forehead and a splatter in the back. And they had actual pictures from the autopsy. That matched up with those scars, though the well who scars they were birthmark. And there are other there are a lot of other cases. In fact, he and Stevenson wrote a whole book called where reincarnation and bowel biology intersect. And he had something like 200 cases out of those 2500 where there were birthmarks that match the the fatal wound that the person received one child was born without with a leg missing between a below the knee who had been had his leg severed in an act of the accident in which he was killed. Another one had part of his fingers missing on his hand when he was born, and had had his fingers chopped, chopped off at that time. So you know, there are other cases like that fascinating, fascinating stuff. And anybody who's interested could probably go on Google and goggled Google that University of Virginia do PS, reincarnation, I'm sure that'll turn up all kinds of stuff.

Jeff:

Alright, so yeah, so that's interesting, cuz I've actually never thought about it like that. So instead of, you know, when they reincarnate, instead of coming back as animals, or plants, or whatever the case may be, they come back, there's another life as another human being basically just somebody that, you know, was given a second chance. Yeah, understanding.

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Yeah, there's no evidence. Yeah, there's no evidence that I know of that anybody comes back as an animal. I mean, I guess there are some religions and think that if you're a bad guy, you might come back as a bug or something. But no, these cases at the University of Virginia are a lot. Most of them were children, or children who were in the previous life, their life was cut short, maybe that's why they come back. And also maybe that's why they remember, you know, I, I joined the, I was gonna say, I joined the Rosicrucian society, one of the things I did to try to find out what the true nature of reality is, the Rosicrucian society is a society of mystics, that study and practice metaphysics, I went through all the other resources that they give. Yeah. And they believe that life to life on average is 140 years. So if you're, if you live to be 70, you know, your threescore years and 10 You're going to spend 70 years on the other side doing something else, whatever you do over there, so you probably forget about the previous life while you're there. But these kids know, you know, they came back pretty quick.

Jeff:

When you reincarnate, you're coming back with different parents and different family members. Correct?

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Correct. You would come back with different parents different facts. But although there are a lot of people who think and it makes sense to me that, that you do probably belong to a soul group of individuals that are about the same level of you know, spiritual development or whatever you want to call it. Evolution. as you are and that you kind of tend to reincarnate together might not be in the same role, you know, you might have a sister in one life who's a mother in another life or an aunt or an uncle or whatever, that, but I don't know if you know, it's hard to prove that but that does seem to be something that has come through on a lot of, you know, these readings that psychics give like, Edgar Casey and so forth were they were people do reincarnate together, you know, you all that, you also apparently have a choice when, before you incarnate, you usually have a reason for wanting to come back, whether it's to shed karma or to learn something, or maybe it's to help others. And maybe you've got a mission where your mission is to, to do something good for society, or whatever I mean, I don't know. But anyway, you get to pick from the available parents positive potential parents that would kind of set you up for whatever it is, you're coming here to do, whether it's to learn or to teach or to do whatever. And you know, you may or may not complete your mission, you may not fulfill it, but you have the opportunity, because you've you've incarnated in a place and a time and with parents in a society that make that possible. So who knows, but that that makes sense to me. Yeah, I

Jeff:

mean, I don't know how that would be fair to the parents that lost a child, you know, what I'm saying?

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Yeah, you know, well, I've talked to some people who, who believe that they had been born and then decided they were in the wrong situation, and didn't stick around and left and, and, you know, they, you know, crib death and things like that, or, or maybe, you know, got sick or whatever, but, so, you know, it does happen, mistakes happen. And things don't always work out the way you thought they would, or hoped they would. And, but sometimes it can be that the death of a child or whatever, is something that the parents themselves may have an unknowingly unconsciously, kind of set up for themselves, because they, they're getting rid of karma, somehow they're there, they need to go through something like that in order to, to learn what that's like, you know, maybe they did something like that to somebody else in a previous life, and they're getting their payback. I mean, who knows? Yes, you know, life is mysterious.

Jeff:

Alright, so let me move on to my next topic, because I want to, I'm curious, I want to know what this is, what is the Law of One,

Stephen Hawley Martin:

know the law of one? Okay, the Law of One. This is not easy to explain. But let me say this, it seems to me, in all my studies, the conclusion I've come to is that there really is only one life, which is the infinite mind, you know, some people would call that God, I call it the infinite mind. Because when when I hear the word God, I think of a deity that is outside of me, outside of you, outside of the human race, who has, if you've ever seen the painting on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, and I haven't seen it in person, but I've seen pictures of it. And there's this man up there, you know, with the long white beard who's reaching his hand down and touching the human hand that's reaching up toward him. That's the idea a lot of people have forgotten. And I don't, that's not the idea I have. The idea I have is that there's this infinite mind, and that we're all part of that work. This infinite, but it's like this infinite mind is having a dream. And we are each characters in the dream. At our core, our consciousness and the consciousness of that infinite mind are one in the same. We think we're different. We think we're separate. Because we have egos that have been built up in this life from the time that we were infants in a crib till now, you know, all the experiences we've had the memories we've had the things we've gone through the hardships, everything else are, you know, have become our ego in our we have beliefs about ourselves and beliefs about reality that may or may not be true, but they're ours. And all of that combines to make us think or feel that we're separate. When in fact, we're real, really all part of one life. We're all just extensions of that one life. We're all windows on in terms of our consciousness. We all have really the same consciousness, we share it. And this idea is not is something that I've an idea I've come to but it's where the Law of One comes from, is the entity that put that forward. I'll tell you who that was in a second, has the same idea that I just expressed, which is we We are all one, we only think we're different and separate. But we're all connected at the core. We're all extensions of this. It's like we're, you know, we're hands and feet and fingers of the one, one mind. And that comes from a, an entity, an extra terrestrial entity that supposedly, you know, laugh, if you want, supposedly was channeled by a woman named Carla. And she had two other accomplices in that one was a physicist, a college professor, and then forgotten what the other guy did. But they channeled this entity that called himself ra, ra, ra. And Ra, claimed to have been claimed to have been a whole society of senti and beings that had evolved way past where we are, I think they bra says there something like seven levels, you know, Seventh Heaven, seven levels, seven sort of number that always recurs in this kind of stuff. And that he was like on level five or six, and we're on level three, but the messages that came through raw, one of them was that we're all one and that's the law of one, you can go on Amazon, and put in the search bar there, raw, the law of one and you'll see about five books to come up, because that's how many books they published from the material that was channeled from this, supposedly from this being in between 1984 82 I think in 84, five or six. And it's, it's fascinating, but he also claimed, Ra also claimed to have been the God that the Egyptians worshiped, called Raw, and that they he had told the Egyptians how to build the pyramids and why and that he gave them all the same information, but the Egyptians screwed it up. And, you know, got off track. And that's why he was coming back through Carla, to tell us modern people that were, you know, what the truth is, and raw also said that in 2012, we would be going through a transition from third density and we will be starting into fourth density, which is, you know, coincides with the, you know, the dawning of the Age of Aquarius if you guys are old enough to remember that. So, there you go. That's the law of one.

Jeff:

And then you segwayed right into my next question, cuz I was gonna ask you about the third and fourth density realities. And what the difference was?

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Yeah, yeah, what good, good question. That's a good segue. Well, according to ra, there are seven densities not quickly run through a few of them. When we get up into the 567, I'm not so sure. But first density is, if indeed, we are all part of a universal Cosmic Mind, infinite mind that's having like a dream, then everything comes from mind. And as you know, from quantum physics, there really is no such thing as solid matter. It's all energy equals MC squared, it's all energy, little vibrations, everything is vibrations. So first density, and that's why they call it density because it's vibrations. First density is like the moon which would be matter, but no life on it, or earth before there were any animals, plants or anything. That's first and second, density is matter, earth, but you've got plants and animals, you know, you've got the dinosaurs or the all the plants and so forth. But there's no life that has evolved to the point where it's self conscious, where it's aware of itself and can step outside of itself mentally and think about why it's here and all that what stuff like we're talking about tonight, third, density is just that where you have matter, but you also have plants and animals. And you have sentient beings, in our case, humans, who have this objective awareness who are able to think about themselves and figuratively at least step outside ourselves and consider our own actions and you know, make decisions we have freewill, that's part of it. So that's third density. Fourth, density is when we realize according to raw, that we are all one that we all come from this one mind that is and we're characters in the dream of this this mind is having and that in fact, this mind experiences himself and all reality through us. That's fourth density and what happens there's in fourth density as you move into it. You are, according to raw again, you, you have to make a choice, your choice is this, you can go forward and probably in your next carnation, if you're moving into fourth dimension, the fourth density would be service to self, you're going to use your gifts, your talents, your abilities to serve others, it's kind of the, you know, do unto others kind of idea the other way, and you and he doesn't make a value judgment about whether this is good or bad. The other way is service to self service to others or service to self service to self is, you know, where everything is for you in your, you know, you seek power and fame and all that sort of stuff. So you have to make a choice service to self serve to others. Raw says that Earth is going to be a service to self place as we move into this fourth density. And that the service to others folks will incarnate somewhere else some other planets somewhere else. Then fifth density apparently is fourth density is the last last density where you actually incarnate into physical bodies. Starting in the fifth and then 6/7 densities, you you have a light body, but you don't have a physical body. Like we know it's more like, I guess St. Paul, or somebody was talking about the light bodies, in the G's in the, in the Scriptures. And that's where fifth density is where apparently wisdom and spirituality become balanced. And then I'm not even sure what happens in six, or seventh. But very apparently at the end of seventh density, we return to the Creator. And after that perhaps it starts all over again, I don't know. But we are though, according to raw and I believe this is true, eternal beings who are having a temporary physical experience. And even when we get to seventh density and return to the Creator, we will still have our individual awareness of ourselves and our experiences and so forth. So there you go, wow, this

Jeff:

is exhilarating stuff for me. I mean, I don't know if we would categorize this as conspiracy theories. We had a whole month where we did nothing but conspiracy theory episodes, and we interviewed people, you know, Flat Earthers. And all of this, obviously, this is not that this is more spiritual. And these kind of ideas, I think makes it easier to accept death, if that makes sense. You know, a lot of people Oh, absolutely.

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Absolutely. You know, no question about it. I growing up as an that scientific family we talked about earlier, I thought that death was the end, you know, it was like you were you might use like a vacuum cleaner, you know, you're a vacuum cleaner and the motors running. And then somebody pulls the plug in instead. And that's it that's over, you know, I don't know, more finished. I don't believe that anymore. I think that we do believe sincerely believe that we are and I've you know, been at this for almost 50 years, and I've talked to so many people and I've studied so much stuff, the evidence to me is overwhelming, that we are eternal beings having this physic temporary physical experience, that we're we're gonna change form, you know, we may come back in a human body, or we may not, but we're never, we're always going to be you know, we are eternal, eternal, it means no beginning and no end. And once you accept that, and believe it and know it your soul, it changes how you look at life completely changes it. Because there you know, you're not worried about death anymore. I'm not worried about it. I'm like Woody Allen, I don't want to be there when it happens. But I'm not really worried about it. I don't think that I'm going to cease to exist. I don't want to go through the pain of spin splattered against a windshield or something but or being, you know, machine gun. But I'm not worried about what happens after that. Let's put it that way. And I don't, you know, I think that your beliefs create your reality, both here in this reality and in the next one. And if you think you're going to hell, you'll probably go to hell, at least for a while. But I don't think you have to even if you're a bad guy, I think you can. You're going to get the afterlife that you feel that you deserve. And so they're you know, I think all that hellfire and damnation stuff is a bunch of, you know, people trying to control you.

Jeff:

I find that very comforting. The only thing that I find that might be scary, is the idea of you know, losing your memory. Basically, you know, if you get reincarnated, you come back and you you know, you have no recollection of your previous life that you lived. That's scary to me. Yeah,

Stephen Hawley Martin:

yeah, that's an that's an interesting thought. I have heard it explained by by people who say they know You know that, you know, there's some people who, and I know people and I've interviewed people and you talk about that podcast, I used to have over 100 people I interviewed for that. And believe that the your soul, your you have a high, every one of us has a higher self, who knows about all the incarnations we've had. But they describe it as like, Your being is like a hand in the sense that your, your palm Your hand is your soul and each one of your fingers as each of your incarnations. Now you may have hundreds of them, but they never cease to exist. They're always there, but and your soul remembers them all. It's hard to imagine or to get your mind around, but something like that is going on. I mean, I have had psychics tell me about my some of my past lives. And once they do, I think, you know, I really kind of connect with them and think Yeah, yeah, that I kind of remember that. You know, I don't remember it vividly. And remember the whole thing, but I remember little bits and pieces here and there. I think the last life I had I was I was in World War Two. And I was probably shot down in an airplane, I might have been a German pilot, though I'm not I don't know, whether I was German, French or American or English. But I also was apparently he was a soldier in the Napoleonic Wars and was, was a German Nazi German, a Russian soldier who was killed in battle. So and that resonates with me. And I've also was a holy man in, in ancient China, 700 and some BC A monk kind of person. So and that resonates with me, too. How about you guys? You remember any past lives?

Jeff:

No. But I'm curious to hear what Anthony has to say. Because you know, somebody who recently almost died from COVID. And a lot of time he talks about it on our show that he felt like he died and came back. So I'm actually curious to hear from an on that. I mean, I've never had any such experiences. Besides the normal deja vu that we get, you know,

Anthony:

I wouldn't call it deja vu. I mean, it's something you've never experienced before. But you feel like your experience and like I've been here before, it's not deja vu you, it's happened. You just can't really put your finger on it. Like, like, what have I seen in my past life? I've been in a war world blown up by a grenade. I was. I think I was in front of a megachurch. Click, it's super vivid, like I like I can see it clearly. And I've had like those little moments, like, I've seen this life before. But it's not a dream, because like, it's so consistent, and so nearly real. Oh, the whole time thing. Like I said, I don't know, does it? No, maybe I was like, progressing to a different data number, because at that time, it just kind of all dark. I don't know what's gonna happen after that. But, I mean, I didn't know like, at that point, maybe it ended become something else. But again, I don't know how long I was out, or how long I was kind of dead, for sure, actually get that medical report be super helpful, but not just kind of a train experience. Like, I felt something leaving my body but my eyes closed. I couldn't like actually see it, but some just felt like, pulling away from me, then all of a sudden, snapped right back on it.

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Yeah, well, that apparently is not an unusual experience when people go through something like you went through. And you know, people who are, are on their death beds, you know, particularly old folks, will may take several days for them to actually die. And that kind of back and forth, back during that time. And they'll they'll see relatives are gone before who come to greet them and you know, help them make that transition and things like that. And sometimes there's, I've read about I haven't really talked to anybody who's had this experience, but I have read about and I think I saw a video about it, YouTube video where someone had a shared experience where shared death experience where it was a mother and her daughter and the mother was old and was dying and the daughter apparently, when the entities, you know, the, her mother's mother or somebody and father came together. The daughter, who was perfectly healthy, experienced that at the same time with with her with her mother as her mother passed, and was very comforting to her to not realize that that her mother mother who was you know, going to the other side, but was gonna be okay because she was going to be with friends and relatives and loved ones. You go.

Jeff:

Now I'm going to ask you, I'm going to ask you about my favorite topic. This is my favorite topic when it pertains to, you know, conspiracy sees, and it's the UFO phenomenon. Do you believe they are alien craft? Do you believe they are interstellar beings? Or entities? Or do you believe they're just a military aircraft?

Stephen Hawley Martin:

You know, I believe I've thought a lot about this. And I don't claim to have the answers, but I'll tell you what I believe. I believe they are. extraterrestrials, they are people that evolved beings, you know, who are operating in these crafts, who come from a more advanced civilization, that somewhere else, I don't think they're necessarily coming from other planets or galaxies in this physical universe, I think they're coming from a higher reality from they're, they're coming from the fifth six or seven densities that we talked about earlier, that are non physical, but very real densities. And that's why they're aircraft there. They're conveying, you know, the, the machines or whatever they come in, are able to do all those impossible maneuvers, where they can break the sound barrier, not make it not have a sonic boom, or where they can, you know, turn on a 90 degree angle when they're going faster than, you know, several times the speed of sound, which is impossible. This because they're not physical like we are, they're coming from a higher dimension. And I think the reason they don't, one of the reasons at least, that they don't interact with us yet, although I think there are people who have been in or interacted with them, but is, you know, that they're, they were not ready for that they don't want to interfere with our free will. And they certainly don't want us to have their technology because we could probably use it to, you know, cream, the Russians or the Chinese or something, or the Chinese could use it on us, rather than for good purposes. So that's what that's where I come out with the UFO thing. I think they're very real. I just think they're coming from a different reality. And that's why that explains some of the some of the phenomena, you know, how they're able to do what they're able to do.

Jeff:

Yeah, I do agree with much of what you said. I mean, I believe I've never had any encounters. I've never I've I've heard people I've spoken to people who said they've seen them, they've seen UFOs, up close, different occasions and different people actually, but I personally never experienced but I do believe

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Yeah, I have a when I first was working got out of the working world, I was working in an ad agency in Baltimore. And my boss had been a colonel in the Air Force. And he, you know, flew all over the world. And he, he said that once he was flying a big transport plane over the Atlantic, and he had a crew, I think there were seven, six other guys in the plane. And a orb of light, came up to by the cockpit, and flew alongside them for half an hour. Everybody in the plane saw it. And then it shot off to the right, in a way that would be technically impossible for for conventional aircraft to do. He said that he filled out a full report and filed it with the Air Force. And that was the last he ever heard of it. And there was no reason for this. I mean, we just told me this over drinks one evening, you know, but there was no reason for him to make that up.

Jeff:

Well, the last question that I have for you, sir, is your thoughts on mankind's destiny? What is our destiny?

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Yeah, I think our our destiny is, and again, this is just me, I don't have any proof of this. But where I come out is that we are evolving. The whole reason for our life on Earth. And continuing on is to evolve as you look around, everything evolves all all life evolves, plants, animals, and human beings and each of us because we have freewill. And because we each have our own objective awareness are evolving, and we're evolving towards something and I think we will get to that seventh stage or seventh density eventually, and return to the source. But I think that possibly, what it's all about is that we are each going to become our own infinite mind and have our own universe or whatever. And, and that's where it's going, you know, because the whole look at life. What is life do? It propagates itself, it reproduces itself. You know, cats have cats, dogs have dogs. Humans have humans but eventually Maybe the infinite mind has more infinite mind.

Jeff:

I don't know. I mean, like I said, all of this has always been fascinating to me. I've always watched all the documentaries when it pertains to, you know, aliens UFOs the afterlife, you know, the topic of religion. I consider myself agnostic. But and I've been very open about it. I, you know, I've studied I've had Bible studies with the Jehovah's Witness, I've been to Catholic Church, I've been to, you know, the Mormons, Muslims. I've studied the mall, Pentecostal Baptists, I've been to many churches, you know, I mean, and I've come to the conclusion that, you know, they don't they don't answer all my questions. So I've always just been, you know, I think just always been an agnostic, because I need more information, you know, what I'm saying? And, you know, there's a lot of contradictions and all the holy,

Stephen Hawley Martin:

I can understand that. I mean, yeah, my feeling is that, that Jesus was an IT WAS A enlightened being, I think he was probably a fourth density being who came into third density to try to clue us in as to how to get to fourth density, and that he's kind of been misunderstood. And they certainly, most churches are not really following what he said, which is to love God and love your neighbor as yourself. I mean, if we just did that we would create the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, but we don't. So, you know, you I think you're right. You know, a lot of religions are, unfortunately, just out to control people.

Jeff:

I mean, just the idea of religion to me, right, like you said, power, but just the idea of, you know, one religion, to me is very naive and egotistical when you consider that there's over 4000 religions in the world. And they all think that they're theirs is the one true one, you know, kind of factor. Right? So it's red flags all over the place. But I appreciate your time today, sir. I mean, this has been refreshing conversation, I think it was a nice change of pace from what we've been doing the past month, you know, due to everything that's going on in society and in sports even. We've been covering racism a lot on our show. And, you know, yes, and it's unfortunately, we have to talk about that. But I felt like, you know, I wanted to change the pace a little bit and change it up and, and have a deep conversation that, you know, I like to have as well. And thank you for coming on for that. And

Stephen Hawley Martin:

just remember what I said, we're all one, you know, this, to me this idea of skin color, you know that it makes somebody different number all one, we're all part of the infinite mind, and the color of our skin shouldn't have anything to do with anything. I think it's ridiculous. But anyway, that's, that's me.

Jeff:

Yes. And obviously, African American History Month, and that's what we're celebrating. And oh, yeah, finish off with my co working, where can they find you? What is your website? Or where can people go find your work?

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Yeah, you can come to my website, it's www S H. Martin, S H, Ma, RT ti n.com. When you get there, you'll see a video that I've posted. But go up and look at the menu and click on Books and you'll page or come up with a lot of book covers on it. Those are my books, you can click on any one of them and find out more about it. It'll take you to the page on Amazon, where you can read the first couple of chapters and see what people have said about it with reviews and things like that. So yeah, Sh martin.com. Please do and if you want to. If you have a question for me, there's you can send me an email through my website, and I'll be happy to try to answer what do you what's your whatever you ask if I can I will? If I don't know, I'll tell you? I don't

Jeff:

Excellent. All right, and Franklin Thomas, the first black president of the Ford Foundation, he said, and I quote, one day, our descendants will think it incredible that we paid so much attention to things like the amount of melanin in our skin, or the shape of our eyes, or our gender instead of the unique identities of each of us as complex human beings.

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Amen.

Jeff:

Martin, thank you for coming on. This has been episode 82 of the culture piece.

Stephen Hawley Martin:

Thank you. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Peace, brother.