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April 18, 2022

The Convo

The Convo

The world is going mad, between more killings at the hands of police, the Brooklyn train station shooting, and Elon Musk trying to buy Twitter. Also, Anthony conducts an interview with a special anonymous guest.

Topics Discussed:

  • Brooklyn train shooting
  • The killing of Patrick Lyoya
  • Elon Musk buying Twitter
  • White mass shootings vs. Black mass shootings
  • Why are cops quick to draw a gun even in unwarranted situations?
  • The Convo (Anthony interviews a special guest)

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Referenced Links:
What was Patrick Lyoya's criminal history? (thesun.co.uk)

Civil rights attorney Ben Crump to address Patrick Lyoya’s fatal shooting by Grand Rapids police officer - mlive.com

23 Injured in Subway Shooting - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

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Keepin' It Real, Always: inside the mind of Elite by Jeffrey DeLaRosa, Hardcover | Barnes & Noble® (barnesandnoble.com)

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Transcript
Jeff:

Yo yo yo yo yo Welcome to the culture episode 90 One's your boy Jeff, man, and the world is going mad scrolling on your Twitter window to sweat drips from balls.

Anthony:

Oh these bitches go go ski ski my Fuck yo because I was thinking about that song and work I'm gonna get as long as man aggressive like there's no subtlety

Jeff:

that might that might have to be this episode song

Anthony:

it was just mad like is mad aggression in the air like why you're so angry what's going on I hit in the world like where's the

Jeff:

love like Chris Rock said that's the one song he can defend he said I love hip hop is hard to defend the shit is hard to defend you know to the window to the to the sweat and from my bottom of

Anthony:

my bow ski all gonna eat my fucking neck Hey brother's relaxes and my whole thing like I just always wonder like where they got the sweat dripping down my balls part like that's not even sexy. Like how, how sweaty Are you? That's a lot of sweat. Like Like, even I begin to have like, my balls and be soaked in sweat. It's just it's a lot there. It's a lot.

Jeff:

But yeah, Episode 91 We've been doing a shift for 91 weeks, bro. She's hard to believe time it's flying.

Anthony:

way Hello. We would do this every single week.

Jeff:

For 91 weeks with the exception of one week we took one week off literally in the last year and a half.

Anthony:

We want to record every single day. Get a month. You know some having some half man would do that shit next month man summertime coming baseball here. I know you're excited. Black girl Fuck y'all up yesterday, but you're gonna be alright. It's gonna be okay. Yeah, I'm not convinced with the Yanks. But even with a busted figure that may hit three home runs like gang shit.

Jeff:

But yeah, man like I said everybody's going mad. The world is going crazy people getting shot up all over the place. Cops are still killing my fuckers. Shout out to our culture crew. We see Yeah.

Anthony:

Yeah, man. Y'all stay inside man. That people going crazy people getting shot is a new very not here in the streets loves a new variant.

Jeff:

Elon Musk is trying to buy Twitter. We're going to talk about this ship and got a special interview. Supposedly, absolutely. He got to interview somebody special guest.

Anthony:

I've been looking for this do forever. I'm like, yo, could you come on the show this one time? And I'm like, he's like, I bet don't be too personally. calm now. Come to fuck that. I got you. I'm gonna talk you through this nice and slow. You're gonna it's gonna be really good interview. We're gonna say

Jeff:

what and tell me who it is. But I guess in the second half of the show, I'll find out.

Anthony:

Yeah, he'd be good. He's solid. He sadly is a solid guy. I like him.

Jeff:

But yeah, well, we're gonna start off maybe we want to start off with this train shooting in Brooklyn. Let's go ahead and get that out the way man. That was who I just saw the video where the doors open up and you see all the smoke and my focus is just collapsed. And I actually see no video of him shooting.

Anthony:

The thing is that even if there was some, like most times you're on a train, you're not recording anything. You're doing something for yourself. But like if someone throws a smoke bomb and they start shooting I think even it's desperate as social media obsessed Society of ours. Anyway, pick up the phone start recording time to get the fuck out of dodge. It felt like some Call of Duty should actually like you see bodies and bodies everywhere. But nobody dies there's

Jeff:

gonna say no casualties right? So that's a positive. But when I was watching a video and a lot of times I'm watching these videos and I'm like, yo, what made this person start recording because sometimes they just be random like a dude is just standing there waiting for something to happen like how you know what, what? What made him start recording because he's recorded somebody outside of the train recording before the train even opens the doors you know

Anthony:

whether somebody's recording or was that surveillance the station like it's really hard as that might have been what it was because is there such a high angle pointing down and getting everything that might have been met?

Jeff:

And then apparently the police radios and even working so you know he's asked the policeman or asking you know, bystanders to call 911 Like my father your 911

Anthony:

which may call the cops come your house increase you heavily talk about them call the cops you is the cops when call again. They are a delivery job. We don't ask for another order. Hell no.

Jeff:

Like fuck, I felt like, I felt like New York has this problem and probably the country in general. Like, they don't they don't fix it until Shit happens. You know, I'm saying like, we go back to 911 You know, and they wasn't checking you when you was coming on a plane. You could sneak us a knife into the plane there wasn't checking you for shit. Now they obviously check you you can bring shit into a plane. But they had to wait for shit to happen, right? Like why nobody was fixing these radios that you can't even call 911 That we're not gonna need them. And then shit happens and now you know, obviously they probably gonna fix everything. They're gonna have cameras everywhere. They're gonna probably have 911 station booths, but you just press a button everywhere all over the train station. Because they gotta wait for some shit to happen.

Anthony:

You got to understand how to Arizona has to be like, I couldn't like I've been surrounded by gunshots I've been surrounded by violence my whole life but to be in a confined area and smoking bullets, like what do you do? And like, I'm glad that people made it out of their life. And apparently this guy is completely out of his fucking mind, you know, in the bad parts that you know, because he was making these videos before about like, anti semitic anti black anti you know mental health things like the fact that you went in and got a mass through a smoke grenade and start shooting like you can get like the insanity plea like not enough, you're pretty clear minded, but you do those pretty premeditated. What occurred so there's no kind of ducking his way out of it. And the fact that the guy called the cops and was like, you know, I heard you're looking for me. I'm like, like, bro, like, if you knew what it was, you could just walk past the police station like, Yo, I shot them people. It's me, like, why to come into like terrestrial like in front of the novel's or something that shouldn't mix. But the guy is just strange. Like, it's weird, because black people were like, you know, Dan was the black dude. The fuck? Like,

Jeff:

no, that was the that was the shocking part though. Because you know, and I don't want to make this show like the list bash on white people show because it seems like we've been doing that every week now. But my first reaction when I hear of any of these mass shootings is like, Damn, it was a white dude, it was some white dude who was depressed or he was wild and crazy, whatever, but it was a white dude. Because that's what you see, historically. When I found out it was a black dude, I was like, Damn, what the fuck was that about?

Anthony:

You know what it is? It's um me and my dad have this running theory is fucked up. But I'm gonna say it anyway. You remember? The DC sniper? Yeah. And we was like they could have been killing people forever because it was at that time there was no way in hell they're looking for what the black dude No way. They could have been killing people today. They still were not looking for white guy. I mean, a pretty fucked up I mean, it's wrong. What happened? I'm not like criticize or like being like funny about loss of life. But most time you think a shooting most time you think of white people. I know. It sounds a bit fucked up. But it's true. So what to do with a black dude and like that's, to me, it

Jeff:

wasn't surprising. I think she did come in all shapes and sizes in the months of my kind of you push them past that point need to split the noodle they gone. Yeah, but and that's what it's doing. But we're so used to these, like, we're almost numb to shootings, because we see this shit happens here in this country. Like I would want to say monthly maybe, you know, it doesn't happen in the UK. It doesn't happen in Canada, like at all literally. But here we're already just used to a mass shooting happening here. Like at least every month or multiple times a month. You know, I'm saying whether it was that that was that ultra club in Orlando, Florida, whether it is you know, the marathon or shoo ins, whether it is you know, whatever it is the capital riots. I mean, that's not necessarily a shooting. But all these shootings and all these mass events are always associated with a white person being the you know, the one that's that's the perpetrator. So that's where we're at. We're already used to that shit. And another thing that bothers me Have you ever noticed that I've noticed this show like in the news, if it's a black and brown person, it's always a terrorist you notice that shit?

Anthony:

Man like is a terrorist terrorist.

Jeff:

There was 1000s of people rushing the fucking Capitol building. Nobody was getting shot. Nobody knew I hear the word terrorist

Anthony:

know that one lady guy still keep was keeping poor they call them patriots. They told her don't go through that wouldn't don't go broke. They made an example of one person. And they calm down after that. Didn't they like oh my god, he shot it. Like we told you how go through this window? How

Jeff:

different would the narrative have been if there would have been black or brown people? How many dead bodies you think we would have seen that day? Hmm, more than enough. It would have been crazy like all these terrorists attacking the Capitol building.

Anthony:

And I think that's why I think this dude crazy because like I said, apparently, they said the way he was shooting, he was shooting downwards. He wasn't shooting towards anybody shooting like, in like, the gun was angled downwards. Like he didn't want to kill anybody. So basically, he's like firing at the ground at a Florida legs, whatever. so on so forth. He wasn't aiming try to hit with a bullet, he would just kill anybody. So I mean, the whole shoot is trained this this whole thing is like, it's just, I can't call the weird man. Like, I don't even get tired of mass shootings. The problem is that I've become a little bit to use of them. Where it's never like shocking anymore. Like you see, like a special report pop up and someone says, mass shooting like, whoa, all right. It'd be another. Like, I get the whole idea. You're talking about being numb to it because you really can't help yourself to shit just keeps happening. And it gets stranger and stranger, you think there'll be some kind of resolution on it, but there really is no functional one that you can kind of come up with. Unless you arm everybody. That's the only option but I don't know how people really gonna be down with it. I'd love it. But it's neither here nor there.

Jeff:

And speaking of shoe, as you know, we got to definitely talk about Patrick Joja. I'm not saying his name, right. You're

Anthony:

the guy who has been the congressman for his Africa. But yeah, we're gonna roll with that if we mispronounce that. gentleman's name we do apologize just last week it was kind of few to me wise and vowel so we working on it.

Jeff:

Alright, so it was just another black man killed or murdered by the hands of a white cop at a poli Okay, now I saw the video. So they pulled the man over he comes out the car and says Why am I being stopped? He's the policeman tells him because his license plate doesn't belong to this car right? Now my first reaction, my first inclination was to think that this man was either challenged, or he wasn't. He wasn't like America, because he liked the way he was reacting. I was like, okay, he's either like drunk or knee braided somehow, or he's just maybe it's foreign. Because he was having trouble, like communicating with the police officer. He's asking him for his license. And he's just looked there dumbfounded like, Oh, you're not I mean, I'm the guy this guy is maybe, you know, maybe he's challenged. Maybe he's in the spectrum of some I don't know. He cannot. He's

Anthony:

African. Right. It's native. He only became like, six years what his name is country. So yeah,

Jeff:

so he probably wasn't understanding the cop. I don't know. He was like, Yo, let me get your license. He's like, you gotta license but why am I getting pulled over? He told him multiple times, because his license plate doesn't belong to this call, I'm gonna need your license. He told him is in the cars in the data. So the cop goes around to get it out the call, boom, do decides to run for it. Mistake number one, like, and I'm gonna ask you, first of all, why? Why? And we keep asking this question, because it seems to be an ongoing thing every time you know, somebody gets pulled over. Like, why do you even just resist, you know, I'm saying like, just cooperate. And I know it's easier said than done. I know in the moment, adrenaline and testosterone and you see a white cop right away. You, you feel threatened. I get all of that. So he runs, he takes a run for it. So right away that makes you a threat to them. You know what I'm saying? The policeman, he's like, I this dude is resisting arrest. And at the time, he wasn't even trying to arrest him. He was just trying to get his paperwork. So he runs. He runs after him. He grabs them. They do a little scuffle. He runs some more they tackle him. He runs some more. They tackle him again. He wrestles with them. Eventually the COP is like yo, stop resisting. He takes out a taser. I don't even think he ever got to tase him right because the guy went let them tase him. He kept grabbing the taser, trying to take it away from him and he's like, Yo, Get your hand off the taser. Get your hands off the taser. Did Patrick actually take the Taser from them? I'm not sure if he actually took it from them.

Anthony:

The video is real close up. It's from like the body cams. I can't really tell there's a

Jeff:

kid's body cam and and there's dashcam footage. But whatever. So he's like, Yo, so I guess the cop figured I can't tell you them. He kept trying to tase them. He couldn't so he what he do, he reaches for the gun. Like why do they always go he's already on top of the dude. Like I get that He's resisting he's fighting back but you're already on top of them. You grabbed a gun. And again, I've heard from other cops that it's easier said than done. But I've always asked the question why not just shoot at the leg? You know I'm saying shoot them on a leg shoot them an arm that will really calm them down but there's going to be non fatal and what I've always been told by policemen is that you know a moving target is hard to just you know, pinpoint where you want to shoot them. So they just shoot for the Medius parts which is the body or the head

Anthony:

right oh before we go any further yeah remember what might have been last year I might remember the time we went

Jeff:

to the range yes my first time ever you took me to the ranges

Anthony:

right and that's a standstill target right that easy to hit it's not like everyone thinks like you know I can just pointed straight and she can be like Rambo and I'm a boom boom boom hit a dead in the Senate you you think you can treat and also you both over here to the left to the right, like what though? Alright, so that's it that's a standstill target less than 10 yards away so a moving target to think that someone could just like Bang nail I'm not getting what the train it's hard in your adrenaline's pumping into you

Jeff:

right so I get in in the kickback from the gun and all of that. So I get I get it in this case though, you're already on top of my man. So you would think I would assume that as be a little easier for you to be able to pinpoint exactly where you want to end I'm saying but where does he shoot him one shot he only wasted one shot boom on the back of the head and body went limp right away immediately. Then he gets up the COP is like Oh, costars corner like yeah, he's down I got it. You know I'm saying like the suspect has been contained and shit like my pocket did he never uses they don't say that though. They don't say they're No they just say like, Oh, he's

Anthony:

been contained or he's you know, whatever. containing my ads beyond like, Oh, he's dead. You're sitting empty in a bag right now.

Jeff:

So my thoughts on this is two things. One he should have been resisting arrest. I still don't understand why Ron Fenton police why resist arrest but to that cop is going to jail because that's murder that's murder. Like I understand he's gonna probably say you know, self defense, but you already got he was on top of the guy. My man is facedown on the floor so you're on top of him. So you should have them under control with my right. You should take them put your handcuffs on and wait for backup because eventually like three of the cops showed up like he was already on top of them. You could have just waited right there for other cops to come. And then two or three cops would have been able to just handcuffed them. But no, it's always got to go to the gun always got to be relegated to get in a gun and shooting

Anthony:

and saying you have a gun for a point, but the whole thing that the person is secure. And like I said, You gotta hold them up just a few more seconds with all your training is for just to resist to this point, right? So understand, like, how someone, even with all your training, like I think people get afraid. I think even if you'd like to serve in the military, I mean, it gives you all that training, but you've never been in a war. So you know, when it's real, them books are flying, it's not, you know, you're not training like this is where like this guy, I was able to get him to the ground. Like, I gotta just hold off and do whatever, you could make sure your life is in danger. But that's the rationale they're gonna give once it goes to trial. But it's not right. Because like I said, once you watch video, could appoint a gun anywhere else in the world, hey, I would like to get you out of that. And the shoulder for one or two. He shrugged him up top of the shoulder and put a sheet right, the Bible said, boom, down he goes. And I understand what people say like you shouldn't resist the rest. You shouldn't resist the rest of things that, you know, people get killed, like Eric Garner wasn't resisting arrest. Like he was trying to get arrested like date, drag disaster, the ground and put a knee on him and he's screaming, I can't breathe. George Floyd wasn't resistant, they just pin them to the ground. Sometimes it's just a survival instinct. You need to take your life into your own hands and do what you have to do. If you fear that you're going to die. And they haven't given us any proof or evidence, it believed that it's not a possibility. It was one person who got shot because it was a officer who thought the vision for the Taser and reached for a gun and shot the person. And there was automatically apologetic about it. But the whole thing is like you're trying to do this, this is your job. This is your training. This is what you're supposed to do. Why can't you just pick up the right weapon, you know, left hand taser, right hand gun, it's not that difficult to that heart. You might have your adrenaline pumping, you might be a little bit excited, but it's not like you were alone. There were other officers around you just doing your job to I don't know why that man ran. As a matter of fact, he's dead now. We're definitely gonna get an answer for it. But the fact that it kind of had to come to that, that is like it's another police shooting. That is another black man. And there's not a whole point like when is enough enough because it'll continue on because there's kind of a societal issue in regards to the protection of the police itself, where they're supposed to be officers of the law but that go to you know, serve the public. When they seem more like overseers and actual people like for you. Do you trust the cops?

Jeff:

Know, Like I said, I have no cops. I guess I can save. I gotta know, some acquaintances. They're cops. I don't want to call them friends. You can be friends with Ebola. Yeah, yeah. But you know, I'm not gonna say we're best friends. I know maybe two or three cops. That we that went to high school or you know, I'm saying we know each other from school or whatever, we're acquaintances. And if I see him on the street, I'm not gonna say I feel threatened. No, I say I could trust him. Yeah, I won't feel threatened. But this shady shit. Go on. Yeah, definitely. All right, but Americans are all cops bad. No, no, absolutely. Yeah,

Anthony:

I'm not gonna play the game to fuck that. I hate that game. When you're driving, right, and you get pulled over and see the flashing lights in the rearview mirror. How do you feel like what's your immediate field?

Jeff:

My immediate reaction is what the fuck I did. Like, a lot of times, I mean, you could have been doing the craziest shit. But right away, you're like, Damn, you start thinking like, I don't even know what I did. You know, I'm saying whether it's out of fear. You know? I mean, it's probably out of fear.

Anthony:

Like the mind says,

Jeff:

You don't know what you did. Like, I like what I did. And sometimes it'd be stupid shit like, oh, you know, I've gotten pulled over because I had my he saw me on my cell phone, cell phone seat belt seat, like I've gotten pulled over for seat belts cell phone, I'm like, Dad, you see that or, or because of the inspection sticker was either was, was expired.

Anthony:

But even now, like my papers, legit, everything's taken care of, and so on, so forth. But you want to see like, the flashing, like my rearview mirror, even if it's not a cop pulling me over? Like, I'm just in, like, driving trees and see like the cop like two blocks away, like, part of me still freaks out? Like, it's just, it shouldn't be an eight and I shouldn't feel that way. But I do. And I shouldn't be sure I really, really shouldn't be afraid. But I am. Because I've I have you have seen I think the world has seen in literally too many instances where there's a misunderstanding or miscommunication or someone a little bit overzealous, and someone ends up dead and someone ends up alive and they end up unpunished. And that's the weirdest fucking thing, but it happens. And I honestly I shouldn't feel that way. But I do. And it's it's not in your heart for me to admit that. I think if you read a lot of people of color that grew up in particular areas, just the interaction with the police and like said the majority of mine have been good. Just the whole thing when he pop up and knowing like the historical context behind it, not knowing how this should just my end is so funny to feel that way. But

Jeff:

I think as I'm starting to think that it might be instinctive like the reactions on both sides. I think it's just instinctive like the cops instinct is to go for his gun right away, you know, I'm saying any sign of threat, or at least you know, they feel that threat, no matter how small the threat is, their instinct is to reach for the gun. And on the other side, you know, the person, the person that's being detained. Their first instinct is, you know, either to run or to fight back, I don't know, but I think is instinctive at this point from both sides. fear and fear from both sides, instincts, adrenaline,

Anthony:

like it almost feels like something that we have to kind of work through is something that we got to kind of, I think the maybe the form of a solution is to get back to like, community based policing. Like know the guys who know the guys that know your area. Like a lot of people are not like that. They just like, show up and like, you don't know what the cops like, I grew up in an area where like, there were police absolutely was fair amount of crime. But no, I knew the cops by name. Yeah, like, like, they were always there. They were like, the ones in the local, whatever. But now just like just some guy that just shows up, you don't know who it is like my Township, I know, a fair amount from because my neighbor is a person is a cop. So I'm like, and they they come over all the time. And I see him in the area, and they know me and I know them. But the whole thing is like, I just kind of getting back to the point of this whole thing right here. Like it just like, the thing that we speak about death is that he's it always seems like once you pull back and think about and look at the situation, from afar like this, it's avoidable. It is like you don't like you don't have to do this. A lot of things you can do, you don't have to do this, like, this is what you go to the Academy for which you're trained for to try to, you know, disarm a situation before you disarm the person, like try to figure out like, what when they get to go home or go to jail at night and you get to go home, it makes life a little easier. And we just end up in situations where we just don't have the answers, where there's another person dead, there's going to be another trial, and people just want to see if this person is going to go to jail or not right now we have no idea. It's so fresh in, you know, what's going on in society that you really got to wonder like, what's going to be the end result. And either one wouldn't be shocking if the person goes to jail, kind of when we shot because it seems so obvious if they get off. That one seems shocking, either that says way more about society than it does about this case at all.

Jeff:

I think like they should do like monthly seminars with the community and with the police. Remember when we had the mayor on and he said he said that he actually prefers that the policemen be you know, be people that don't live in the town. Because he felt like it was you know, safer for their families member. He said, If you're a cop, and you're in a cop in a town that you're from, and everybody knows you and He knows your family, and you arrest somebody, and you know, they know who to go after type of shit, you know, I'm saying they might mess with your son in school, or they might mess with you know, whatever. So that's valid also. But at the end of the day, then what you know, what's the answer?

Anthony:

Yeah, and so with the mirrors here, but anyway, guys be local. Yeah. So if anybody knows anything about some gangster shit, like if you go here, try to fuck with the family of a police officer. You think you're in a gang, you got to deal with the biggest gang from all the police, they're gonna be gone any and everything that you do, like, it's the last thing you want to do is fuck with, like, the family of an officer because they are brotherhood. And if you mess with one of them, they mess it all up. They're gonna fuck your entire life up. But I think there needs to be dialogue that needs to be a conversation of how this nation can handle it. Because it's entirely too many gun deaths is entirely too many violent police interactions. It's entirely too many interactions where someone ends up losing their life. I mean, something has to give I don't know what that something is. But something has to

Jeff:

die man will speak in about people losing their minds. Elon Musk is offering to buy Twitter. Text again. Like how do you buy Twitter? How much does Twitter even cost you off for four to $3 billion? How much 43 $43 billion? Jesus, I mean, he's gonna probably he's gonna probably own Twitter by the end of the week.

Anthony:

is only worth is worth is 250. So he said, I'm gonna take 20% of my money and I'm gonna, and not in a stock offer a cash offer for the $3 billion for Twitter, Jesus Christ, because he believes that Twitter has potential. And I think this is just the wrong dude we have here fighting our wars is a terrible fucking idea. Like Like, like Twitter is a cesspool. Now. Imagine if we just let somebody who just believes in all types of free speech. Be the owner of the shit, these people are going to go nuts. I wouldn't do no shit like that, would you? Because I'm not a fan of this at all. She

Jeff:

I don't know him. But y'all, let's take a quick break. When we come back. We're gonna have this special interview. And it has a special guest. He's gonna interview. I need to know who this person is.

Anthony:

I got to tell you what to come on. You're gonna come on in just one second. Thanks for listening to the culture podcast.

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Jeff:

Yeah, we back man yo, and we'll give you the floor and I'll let you introduce your special guests.

Anthony:

Absolutely, man. Today's special guests today on the coach will be Mr. Jeff Delarosa. Jeff, how are you doing today? Got it. Yes, you are. Please sit your ass in his hot seat. You gonna take these buddy? They ain't gonna be too spicy. They're gonna be loose with what's been with the content. Hey, go look for content, little local content, high touch. All right. So Jeffrey, bless. Let's start from the top a little bit, right. So we're going to ask these questions. Like I said, they won't be two persons. So you ain't got to, you're going to be required to think. But you ain't got to worry about it. And like me, we can ask me anything and I really don't give a shit. We're gonna keep this peaceful. Okay. Do you remember the very first hip hop tape you purchased? The first

Jeff:

hip hop tape. The first hip hop tape was the single it was mace badboy Mesa, and it was the feel so good. It was just a single we used to go to record city and per se. And you know, if you didn't have enough money to buy the whole album, you could buy just the single and it was like $2 or whatever. It was like $2 They give you the tape and the tape only had that one song. Right that was it had made us feel so good. But it aside, it had like the remix. So it technically had like two songs it had like the original version. And then on the other side it had like the remix of something with like maybe a different beat or some shit like that.

Anthony:

I thought today maybe I'll make somewhere here. It made me feel so good. And I can make you feel so good. I feel so good. What we do need to

Jeff:

dance around a little shiny. To me that wasn't like the first shit I had or the first that I heard or anything that was the first that I physically purchased. Because I would get shit from my cousins or from older cousins that were from Brooklyn, you know, I'm saying I would borrow a shit. They used to have all this shit that came out every week.

Anthony:

I mean, it's understandable like I said, everyone has an introduction in hip hop and everyone has to get their own thing you see where it goes you like and I mean like compare like thinking about what you actually like and that your first one was Mace is interesting. The silver interesting like you like all this ROM fests. boom bap spit this shit lyrics galore. Like your first one. Mais dancing,

Jeff:

it was my very first hip hop song that I can remember as a little kid. Was that I think it's called new new. Like, del, I've said it before in here.

Anthony:

Oh, that one? Yeah. See, I want you because that's just a jersey club song.

Jeff:

I mean, but that it's,

Anthony:

I mean, I guess it did that get you though it's not considered hip hop it is. But nonetheless, hip hop. It's definitely hip hop. But

Jeff:

it's like when I'm Drizzy club class that you hear. When that was like the version I remember listening to that was you know, hip hop or rap? Because that was like before Dre and Snoop came out with the chronic and dumb and all of that. That was like 93.

Anthony:

Now I understand that you're an author. published author. Yes, sir. published author. What what is it about? No writing? No in poetry? And so it's for what is it about that, that really speaks to your soul? Because a lot of people can write. And a lot of people can kind of do poetry, but they just putting words together. And couplets in rhyme or match or whatever. What is it about that that really speaks to you

Jeff:

was twofold? Obviously, you know, I like lyrics when it comes to hip hop. So I'm always I'm drawn to like the lyrical rappers, the storytelling. So I used to, like I used to just, I mean, originally, when I was, you know, I would remember being in like middle school, I would just have a notebook, and I would literally just write rhymes. And it would say nothing. It'd be just literally just words. I would just write words, but I like having, you know, writing words that rhyme that allowed but it was fun. And then I discovered early on that I can actually express myself better through writing than I could through like words and even to this day, and you you can attest to it. As you know, when I'm in I don't read the crowd. When I'm talking to somebody. I speak without really thinking. Sometimes I say the wrong shit. You know, I don't see the ratio audits. It gets me in trouble all the time. Like my mouth does. And even before when I was trying to, you know, when I was trying to date girls, and when I was trying to hit on girls, you know, obviously we don't have social media like we do now. But even when we had maybe text messaging, or you know, chat rooms, I remember being able to talk to girls through text or through chat rooms, or through, you know, those types of mediums. And then when I got in person with them, like I was at a loss for words, and you know, and I'm writing, and I remember girl, okay, so he's never remember. So he didn't remember girls falling for me just from the shit that I would text them or I would talk to them on the chat room, you know, I'm saying, you know, I was real honest, and roll and poetic on there. And then when we'd go on a date, or whatever, like, Damn, you know, you're so different than today in the chat room, you know, I'm saying, uh, you know, I'm like, Yeah, I don't know, I can't express myself, in person as well as I could through writing or through text. So at early age, I discovered that I can express myself through writing words better, maybe because I can, you know, maybe think about something before I write it, as opposed to in person, I just speak what I think and I can think about what I'm gonna say, and I could, you know, formulate in my head the words, that sound correct, and then write it down. You know, I don't know.

Anthony:

No, I mean, that's fair, I think. I think that's the beauty when you have a particular skill like that, like, I mean, it's pretty much a form of hip hop. It's, How can I express what I feel, and, and honestly, even in like, a deeply emotional sense, but more like, the way that I see the world, the way I feel things where I go about things, and then put it in a form that's expressive, that people not only is going to understand, they're going to listen to it's part of why, you know, but a lot of not so much like his ability to be poetic, but spitting some shit at the same time. And then

Jeff:

number three, maybe on a different level, maybe on a deeper level. Maybe subconsciously, it me writing, whether it was poetry or lyrics or whatever, somehow got me closer to the culture, or maybe got me somehow more connected to hip hop. I felt, you know, I'm saying, maybe in the back of my mind, subconsciously, you know, because I, you know, I wasn't a good beat boxer. I wasn't good at graffiti, I don't draw or anything like that. I wasn't, you know, a breakdancer.

Anthony:

Bro, if you bust out a piece of cardboard, like, Yo, what are you doing? What are you doing? I'm a bust. It's like, No, you're not put your hands down. So

Jeff:

this was like, the closest I was ever gonna be to, like, you know, I mean, being anything related to hip hop.

Anthony:

But you say that and you discover this part about you. And like, you get this clear understanding of how, like the way that you kind of go about life and the way that hip hop is just kind of perfectly intertwined. But your ability to find expression in the art that you can't find anywhere else, like, the way you can explore your emotions, your thoughts, your pain, your traumas, your joy, by putting it on paper just as they would. So you got to give yourself credit for being able to do so and be able to publish yourself back from you know, publishing was a shoot with a pop and like, that's impressive. And I

Jeff:

think the blog on the website today, we have, I think, and I got to start writing more stuff. But I think that's also an extension of that, you know, I'm saying it's another outlet, another medium for me to write unnecessarily poetry. But I can write articles or blogs or whatever topics that I that I'm passionate about, you know, I mean,

Anthony:

you could you get a chance to formulate your thoughts, like it's, you want to really write in and rush it through, like, like, Jeffrey is a very hardworking man. He's doing very well at his job. And he has some things that he's working on his job right now. So he'll get to the blog, but, you know, business first, trust me, let them handle this shit. Let him get settled and everything else today, you're gonna get your written words everybody calm the hell down. So you have a son, right? How much does he mean to you? Shit and

Jeff:

you I know you hate kids. So you're probably never going to understand.

Anthony:

It's not that I hate kids, but I'm like, Yo, man, fuck them kids, man. I've been telling you about the sun. Every time your son cries and runs off like yo, let his acid net corner cry, he gonna be just fine. I promise you, He will not die here. Come on, it's gonna be okay son, man. You're gonna be okay. But go ahead.

Jeff:

I'm gonna say for the last five year he's gonna be five in July. So we're in April. For the last five years everything I've done has been for him you know I'm saying from getting my job from working hard at my job getting promoted. You know, from just you know, being a better trying to be better myself trying to be a better person, a better husband, etc. You know, buying stock even you know, staying buying stock opening up trust funds, just for him. Everything is for him. Literally. I go shopping. I could go to the store to buy myself some and I'll come out the store with two bags of chips for him and nothing for myself. That's literally how it is. That's just the best way I could explain it. You know,

Anthony:

I know he got he got a job. He was you know, bringing the groceries he'll do none he just be there eating and pooping and watching YouTube but you got to like like, Bro you got Five suits I have one apps This is unbecoming, bro I understand your shit cheaper but come on now. Come on both. So like alright, so your son's five, right? He's gonna be fun. Let's just round up metallography here just like this man. We almost had an April. So come on. Alright, so what does it mean for all right? So in 13 years or 14 years, he'll be going on to his 18th birthday.

Jeff:

He still won't be able to drink. So I gotta wait till he's 21 to take them to the bar with me.

Anthony:

Man, you Dominican? He'd be drinking West, right? In my life. I mean, I'm allying now. Am I Am I lying? I know you can't say it. Because if you're on a radio show, and if you say it out loud. And finally your childhood reporting, you're probably gonna, like get me let's just say

Jeff:

you're a social worker, you tend to get me in trouble.

Anthony:

A angel will be experienced in the art of some manly tasks before the age of 18. Now before he turns 18 Do you think there is a piece of advice that you want to impart on him that you want to last for the rest of life? Like what would you tell him?

Jeff:

Something that I still struggle with today? Think before you react Think before you speak. Like just ponder ponder all the consequences. Ponder Oh, you know, I'm saying like all the possible scenarios before you do some.

Anthony:

Anything that somebody still struggled with,

Jeff:

I still struggle with this.

Anthony:

I know. We'd be on here. You'd be like, I gotta get to shoot off in my brain. I mean, you got to say look like look, Derek Jeter is the greatest like, all right. I don't care great. Like, I want to understand what I got to do with the economy but alright, just in your head, your head. Let the shit go. I understand that. Now. Speaking of Derek Jeter, disregarding titles, let's just just just take titles off the board. Do you think that he was a better player overall than Alex Rodriguez?

Jeff:

No, Alex Rodriguez was the better overall player. Jeter wasn't a more clutch player. This is like the whole LeBron versus Jordan debate. It's not a debate, Jordan, right. But a lot of people especially a lot of people who say you know, LeBron is a better athlete, and yet that might be true. He's a more freakish athlete, he's bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic, whatever. Because he played two sports in high school he played football he was a star football player and the star basketball player. He could have been playing an NFL right now if he ain't choose you know NBA but been in a must win situation in a game seven. Who are you taking? Because I'm taking Michael Jordan all day.

Anthony:

Jones greatest winner of all time and notice you got a great winner. I mean, can you still got cremated? Would you Bobby 66 When he got here they've never felt

Jeff:

right but and that's the same argument in baseball. I'm picking Jeter over a rod when it comes to you know needing a base hit again. You know, the game is on the line. Man Oh, second, two outs. I want Derek Jeter

Anthony:

I knew something was wrong when he told the best shortstop in baseball like, hey, we found with the Yankees you want to go to third. But like the night side of what your best your best when you want to move to third for guy who was better. I

Jeff:

guess at that point, I get that that point. He just wanted to win. He was already in the league for 10 years or whatever it was. And he was like, you know, he got all his money. He was making, you know, 30 million a year whatever. Well, he was the highest paid athlete in the world at the time. He's like, I just want to win at this point. And the Yankees have been winning a lot lately. So I'm just gonna go in if I have to move position to keep their Jeter happy. I'm gonna do that. And that's what he did. He was still gonna be the highest paid player you know, and he eventually got his ring you know, I'm saying he probably would have never got his ring if even if he didn't do

Anthony:

that. What do you think is the thing that your your family and friends most misunderstand about you? Family and

Jeff:

friends most? That when I say shit, it's it doesn't come from a bad place. You know, I'm saying because

Anthony:

I'm sorry, I'm being I'm not again.

Jeff:

You know, I go to relative's house. I go I go to my cousin's houses and all they boyfriends and husbands hate me. Because of something I might have said that I don't even realize I said you know, but it doesn't come from a place of you know of hate or not like that. It's just me either not reading the room not thinking before I say some shit or just coming across the wrong way. Like myself, for the most part. My words get misconstrued. They get misunderstood. I feel like I'm very misunderstood. But I also have to work on thinking before I say shit, like I could give you so many examples of shit that I've said even recently. They've gotten me in trouble and like, damn, maybe I could have said that differently. Or maybe I should have not said that at

Anthony:

all. Hey, Mick. Hey, cats out the bag. Which one we do? All I can do is say sorry. We out here, bro. Like our extended shit. I'm genuine. I believe that I know you. I know you. And I know that your wife loves you. I know she really does. But why do you love this? This feels like a therapy session. No, it's not because I'm not asked therapeutic question I'm trying to I'm asking you that question so you can shoot you some bail. So your wife can hear this. You talked about me the show? Yes. So I'm asking her I know why she loves you but why do you love her? I can tell

Jeff:

you is that my wedding? You saw me bawling when she came back a little bit of Spanish you know when she read her vows a phone on some Method Man shit, I right now I spoke straight you know I'm saying from the heart and I was bawling freestyling and I'll tell you the same shit I said that and I you know I mean like she's been my ride or die she's been a ride or die my ride or die like I know I could count on her for whatever. And my lowest times you know what I'm saying? She's been there you know? She when I when I was broke as hell when I had shit. She was there. You know, like giving me a hand rubbing my back carrying me on how back at times. And actually that's just the

Anthony:

sneakers. Replacing Mary J Method Man song. Like you really literally are. You're rubbing my back. It'll be okay. You

Jeff:

like me? And we played that at our wedding by the way.

Anthony:

I was them like, they were they wedding phone. This is the most beautiful Yeah.

Jeff:

Like this is the song all these beautiful songs like nah, this shit, right? Yeah, I was compelled to take my shoes off and throw some Timberlands on but

Anthony:

could have could have put some Tim's don't put a white island here we go all the way with this you all need to

Jeff:

just stop passing blunts around the crowd you're here just smoke this get thrown out the place

Anthony:

like like mama hit this they don't no Coco McCormack was one time so the wedding you can't turn on the man on his wedding day you got to do whatever requests come on this little TV TV y'all we're gonna be

Jeff:

alright but cheaper y'all. chambas to interview yo as on the next episode.

Anthony:

dog ain't gonna bother me Not one bit. This is what I do. Now shut up and that will tell me what to do next I'm the interviewer will fucking tell me what see that's the problem that's the problem or to wrap it up maybe should give to personal calm down fucking tell me what to do. What's your what's your perfect in your mind will be a perfect place to get away like the perfect destination in your in your brain? Oh

Jeff:

for some reason I want to go to the Bahamas. Yo.

Anthony:

Fire okay,

Jeff:

you know where I really want to go and I'm I'm gonna afford it one day. You know how to have those underwater resort joints? Those worn underwater suites I don't even know what islands they have themselves but they've just cost like 1000s of dollars a night like little bubble in the water we can like breathe in I can't under was like a whole suite underwater. That's not fine. I want to I want to take Wi Fi to want to know she's

Anthony:

she gonna love it. Alright, question number two. What is your obsession with eggs?

Jeff:

I got a I can't start my day without eggs every morning. I have to have eggs. I don't know what to do. I don't know what it is. As far as back as I can remember my dad would always take me to McDonald's for breakfast and we would get like the big breakfast. And I remember the eggs with the hash brown and the biscuit. And I don't know ever since like I just and I love brunch I'm a brunch person too. We go to brunch and have some mimosas with some eggs and some whatever. Oh, I know. I know I'm just I don't know and it's protein is the best of both worlds bro is like minimal fat is protein is the best way to start today. I can't function without having some makeup no matter what time of the day it is my first meal of the day has to include eggs.

Anthony:

Okay, I this is not one of the questions but because I know before we're talking about the last podcast that we want to try to get more advertisers like people of color but like like maybe like you want to like talk to Anthony David like just to put them on because I know you'd love him like to give you a discount. I know you love that place. Are they black?

Jeff:

I don't think they're black home though.

Anthony:

I don't think you'd give it to the black good. It'd be like yo, we will sponsor you off attempts and shit. I

Jeff:

mean 10% off. Come get some free brunch.

Anthony:

Hey, we got work to do. But you know, I heard about on the podcast like yeah, yes. And keep writing them down. Man. I'm gonna just bread when you were growing up? What is the most memorable thing that you remember doing with your dad?

Jeff:

Watching Yankee games, which is probably the only reason that I'm like the only person that I know. In my immediate circle that watches baseball. I know you won't sit down through a whole baseball game. None of my friends. Nobody I know will sit through a whole three or four hour Yankee game,

Anthony:

bro it's 162 games a lot of time man that's the shit man like live.

Jeff:

And that's like the only sport he watches.

Anthony:

And because that because I know you're actually trying to get to son into a so question number four. What position would you want to play? See the police after you?

Jeff:

I would want my son to play pitcher.

Anthony:

Well, I thought you can go for the Gita route

Jeff:

now because you know you could make all types of money just being a relief pitcher and you pitch one inning and go sit your ass back down and make 10 million a year.

Anthony:

It's actually pretty smart. I never thought about it that way. All right, so So question number four. Who are your top four favorite poets? Since you like list?

Jeff:

Well, you know Maya Angelou is my number one. My number two is that gentleman by the name of black ice he used to be on Def Comedy Jam all the time. Okay. Black ice Do you remember him?

Anthony:

Of course didn't come to him from the poetry James pretty much it it was almost

Jeff:

a rapper, but he I think he even released an album but it was actually like a spoken word. You know? It would just have like a beat play wasn't really rapping it was spoken word over music you know?

Anthony:

Spoken Word or time was the thing it was a thing

Jeff:

and legit thing at that. And he's on met met the man has him on his third album to what the hell was met the man's third album? So after Judgment Day, right? Yeah, the third one, the one after judgment day it was the prequel to Cal Gracia met the man has nothing he ends the album with like a poem. He has black guy spinning some shit.

Anthony:

So I like that. I like that. All right. No, I

Jeff:

think that's just them to really then myself.

Anthony:

I'm gonna put myself amongst Hispanics Altair all the time, including me. Alright. Alright, so last question. It's 2022 Where are you in five years. And five, make you know make a six five such an arbitrary number 510 20 let's say six.

Jeff:

Oh, yeah, I mean in six years. Yeah, me and wife are going to definitely have a dope house or have a nice house because I'm not settling for like my next house. Like the route has been thrilled to be trying to make you settle for whatever because they wanted to do this quick. like nah, I need to be this size. I need to have all the shit I wanted to have. So we're gonna have that. I'm gonna own me a Can Am Spyder one of them three wheel joints. That's that's like my midlife crisis. Any one of those great man and in the podcast is going to be at New Heights already.

Anthony:

Absolutely. I believe that. I believe that to be true. So accept that. See? See how easy that was? See. See? This wasn't a hard interview. No panic, no sweat. No, no dirty. Straightforward, man. I told you I got you it's fine. I'm fine. Fucking interviewer be letting people reveal themselves. I appreciate that.

Jeff:

So do you want to these weeks? Oh, yeah, pause

Anthony:

one of these weeks not today, though. Not today. So we want to end this off by saying Happy Easter to everybody. Enjoy your weekend your family whatever you might be doing. Just have yourself a good time. Stay Safe is a new version did not my focus did again keep the mask on fuck what they say. As the man and that's the whole reason why I go into the car show people start shooting the subways and hey, you wanted to get me in the car show this week. And I thought about a new shoe like that and I don't know the shooting people in that I got a new winner coming in that version 0.0 Shit. Nah, I'm cool, man. I'm relaxing.

Jeff:

Theodore Roosevelt said people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. Oh, Episode 91 The culture peace

rap music playing:

[The Convo - DMX (Verse 1: DMX & DMX as God] You tell me that there's love here, but to me it's blatant That with all the blood here, I'm dealin' with Satan Plus with all the hatin', it's hard to keep peace (Uh huh) Thou shall not steal, but I will to eat I tried doin' good, but good's not too good for me Misunderstood, why you chose the hood for me? Me? I'm aight; I just had to work hard at it Went to grandma for the answer and she told me that God had it So now here I am, confused and full of questions Am I born to lose or is this just a lesson? And who is gon' choose when it gets turned around? And will it be laying in my own blood and on the ground? My child, I've watched you grow up and I've been there Even at those times you least suspected it, I was there And look at what I've given you, a talent to rhyme I may not come when you call, but I'm always on time