Speech Ain't Free

Jeff: 0:48

Yo yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo en was good.

Anthony: 0:54

I looked up and I'm watching The Fifth Element. Is this Chris? No, it's not about this Chris like a second best role. It's not I apologize. It's not.

Jeff: 1:03

It's not the one he's like, gay are like

Anthony: 1:07

less. flamboyant. Let's face the word. He's very flamboyant. Yeah. flamboyant.

Jeff: 1:14

Was that word and under 100 ominous was that word? androgynous. androgynous. Yeah. oily, androgynous.

Anthony: 1:23

It's not a second best row it's probably is smoky. Then, you know the fundament? I can't remember the name of the cop on Rush Hour. What's his name? Oh, no. I know what Detective Lee was just kind of racist, but I can't remember Carter. Carter. With Carter offers a car. Yeah, that didn't that Yeah. I just wonder what happened to him like he did. I guess he just made so much money. Like I gotta do none of this shit. No more.

Jeff: 1:50

He just made so much money. He had his Netflix special that came out like a year or two ago. It wasn't funny at all. I laugh not one time. Did not laugh not one time. I'm like, he's not he was funny when he was poor and broke. That he's making 20 million a movie he would he don't got that funny to talk about this thing he never knew it's not funny about his life anymore.

Anthony: 2:09

You know what it is? I think the same thing happened Eddie Murphy. Like he got so famous and so rich. Like what is it like it's hard to talk about rich people problems and be funny like no one cares. You're rich like fuck you. I think that's why he's doing like. Like a lot of biopics when he's playing other people. That can be funny in that part. But I do wonder what Eddie Murphy comedy comics it would be like in 2022 It intrigues me.

Jeff: 2:35

Anyways, thank you for tuning in to another episode of the culture. It is now October and it's feeling a little brisk out and this motherfucker. It is cold as hell should just went from 70 degrees to 50 overnight and shit

Anthony: 2:52

when you pray this from September October that's what it's supposed to do.

Jeff: 2:55

She shout out to a coach or crew or patrons Hi Alex so sick king I was gonna say grand Kaiser but it's King Kaiser the third

Anthony: 3:09

whatever the third okay

Jeff: 3:12

that sounds racist.

Anthony: 3:14

No, no the K K K? No, I think k k three not not I didn't triple down on it that k k 3k k three so no Pavlos 2k K K you know you have to see the other one to make sure it is what it is. Because cake a cake can be no no. King quarry the third you know 3k k three. But I didn't say K K? Yeah. No. There's something I want to bring up later. Boston music shit that hurt. Not some some new shit with emotion but we'll get to a dorm

Jeff: 3:47

who would make a shout out to Mike he

Anthony: 3:49

isn't. He gets a t shirt. I

Jeff: 3:53

think it is. Yeah, he received the Jordans this year we sent them he's already said they're so cute. I'm like yeah, after he wears them shoes you need to put them shoes on your rearview mirror obstruction of vision up and this motherfuck Oh dopamine bronze

Anthony: 4:06

dog and tell me

Jeff: 4:09

should around your neck

Anthony: 4:10

Cuz you gotta know that I got an Air Max. Air Max is a tough I know man. I want to get them shipped to my house. Yo, I'll

Jeff: 4:17

wear them shoes on my fucking finger some shit. Last but not least shout out to Simba. The Lion King.

Anthony: 4:26

Simple Simba Simba.

Jeff: 4:29

Yo, yes, we're going further rest in peace to my man Coolio. Also had a heart attack bro.

Anthony: 4:36

Thank God he did to me. Why? Because you know whenever someone when a person of color and he dies suddenly the first thing is like, was they going dope? Like, like, it's the first reaction. Like we can't die naturally. Oh, has to be some function or conspiracy.

Jeff: 4:53

He was only like 50 Right? Yeah, early 50s That's fucking crazy, bro. Like all our legends are fucking die and be and Yo, I never realized what his real name was. And so they you know, obviously after he died, they put you know, artists Leon IV Jr. has passed away. I'm like, yo, his real name is better than his artist name. His name is artist. Or artists. Artists, artists, Jr. That's a tough name. Is a junior he could have just named him so artists. He was 59 Damn, bro that's that's kind of young bro. Like my parents are in their 70s and knock on wood. They seem to be healthy. You know? I'm saying he's my focus is just dropping dead. Like, every time one of these cats that we grew up listening to drops dead. Like it makes me feel older, doesn't it?

Anthony: 5:39

Yeah, because because it's gonna come. It is. Like, like, are you? Are you meant really prepared for the loss your parents?

Jeff: 5:51

Know, I mean, I think about it a lot. You know what I'm saying, but I try it, then I try to like, shake it off and be like, I don't want to think about that. I tried to change the subject in my own mind. Because I know it's coming, you know, they're already in their 70s. And I know, you know, the average American doesn't even live to, you know, past like, 73, or whatever the analytics say. So, like, I feel like they're on overtime, but it seems to be good. You know, they don't have like any underlying health issues. So I feel like I'm lucky. But yeah, I'm definitely not ready for that.

Anthony: 6:22

Yeah, I kind of I don't have much of a choice like I just am. Because I'm like, the oldest and I'm always going to have like the discussions with so especially with my own personal friends, I'm gonna like kind of weirdly, ready for it. I'm not going to act like I'm the hardest motherfucker in history and niggas. But now I can handle the rest of this, I'll be fine. Like, you know, it's still gonna be kind of fucking, like, heartbreaking and shattering. Sure. But it's more to the degree like, I think the thing that we kind of miss out on and people don't do this, and they really, really, really should. Like, even before they get to a particular age, like, like, get shit in order, because like I deal with this in my job, like talking to people and like, they parents got life insurance policies on this and that don't know who was for what is for the timing of everything. What's the value of it? Like, I like I've had those conversations, I know where everything is at, but nobody really wants to have fun. But like, it's, it's kind of morbid, but it's kind of located unnecessary. People really don't want to do I find that strange? Like, understand, like, everyone knows that life ends like you don't want to be prepared for the eventual end. Like you're sitting there scrambling trying to figure the shit out. It's, I guess it's not necessarily the Coolio thing, but it's other people. Like when I see them die, and also I see like, people put up GoFundMe, I'm like, forever. Oh, yeah, kind of, like a life insurance policy or something like, like enough to, like, at least know enough to bury somebody through. But they just like, No, we got to, like, we got to start a GoFundMe to bury this person in something so heartbroken about this shit. I don't even want to think about this. But you have to I know you don't want I know you don't want to but you have to. I mean, you got life insurance, right? Yeah, from our employer, right, but you pay for but you don't think about it. But eventually you're gonna have to, but especially when you're dealing with other people is just to know, because Because tragedies do happen, and death will absolutely happen. And it's better to you know, you're gonna have to deal with the emotions of all the other stuff, but just kind of getting through it. You need to know what's where, who gets what, and where does everything go. So it makes it better streamline process. I seen way too many fuck ups in my family in regards to that shit. Where people don't often they fight about money and things like that. Kind of turned me off the whole idea of even being buried. But yeah, man, just be prepared for the end, do what you got to do take care, your loved one smile and have a cup of coffee, relax, be easy.

Jeff: 8:44

Especially in our community, bro, when our parents and our grandparents die, they leave us they don't leave us with shit. They don't leave us with much. But that, you know, I'm saying you see, like in the Jewish community or, and you know, there's other communities, they leave shift for the kids and the grandkids they leave in my house under the name, they leave them all types of wills with all types of money. Like now we don't get that shit. You know, I'm saying historically, at least, I'm sure some people do. But for the most part, black and brown people we don't get that. They don't believe in a god damn thing.

Anthony: 9:14

But anyone can break the cycle and just go ahead and start doing that. Like, like you pay for bullshit all the time, you can go ahead and pay for set aside some for funeral costs. That's the main thing. You don't really worry about anything else. Like I just I actually challenged you one day. Yeah, just look it up. Like what the cost of a funeral is. And it gives you like a bill of sale with all the breakdown all the shit like that's a lot, man. It really is.

Jeff: 9:39

And whatever. I don't even know what inflation and all of this shift to the pandemic. I don't even want to know how much the shoot is now, bro. I'm your pilot, but that's 1015 20k. But you have to cascade a burrito all the shit.

Anthony: 9:52

But you can you can actually have a life insurance policy assigned over to a funeral parlor. So once a person passes that, then when take ownership of itself, the money from the insurance policy will go directly to the funeral home, and whatever is left over will probably come to you. Like I'm not I work my life to take care of myself. Like I'm not expecting anything from either one of my parents when they go if they do. That's awesome. It's not a necessity. If something has to be given and it's given to me it's okay. But actually make sure they're properly buried outside of that. I'm just not really concerned.

Jeff: 10:27

Yeah, we got to know Is that racist segment today, but we'll get to that a little bit. It has to do with me actually need you to tell me if I'm racist?

Anthony: 10:36

The answer is yes. But continue.

Jeff: 10:39

You're the new prodigy album came out. First of all, let's not forget that like what like five years ago. So obviously he had Muse already recorded. How do you wait five years to drop a posthumous album? Yeah, five years and then the shit is called the shit is called the legion. We had Julian dialect to the book of Halloween. And I listened to the shit and I'm gonna be quite frank with you. I thought the show was trash. I like maybe one song out of it. Family did premiere produces one song. I'm just not feeling it. Like prodigy could do way better than this. You know? I mean, I don't know what this was about.

Anthony: 11:21

It's hard to shoot in a man who's dead. is like,

Jeff: 11:27

bro, there's no member. There's nothing memorable in the album, bro. You tell me what you thought about it. If you've listened to it, I listened

Anthony: 11:33

to it, wasn't it? Like you're so used to hearing prodigy a certain way? And I think over the years, you go back and you still listen? Because it hasn't been anything new from him in a while. So everything here is he like I said a quote unquote old prodigy. And that prodigy was just amazing. I mean, he The name was earned. But we do a situation like this. It just doesn't quite it doesn't click the way I thought it would. Let's put it that way. I'm not mad at it. I think if it's anything that goes to any kind of support towards his family again, we talked about the whole death thing, then yeah. Good for him. But wasn't a great project. No, I wouldn't expect as a matter of fact, like, unless you like on the streaming services and you know what's really coming out? I don't think he would even been aware of it.

Jeff: 12:15

And I was surprised I didn't even see havoc on there. I don't have haven't produced any song but I know he rapping on all the songs which I thought was was odd. You would think he would have a couple of songs with his man right?

Anthony: 12:27

Yeah, cuz even even says like the estate or property releases happen.

Jeff: 12:32

It's probably just a money grab by the family. And I'm grateful some old songs they had they found a USB stick of some that has some OSHA that he recorded. And it was like I let's get premier to do one of these. Let's just get another dude. Let's just put these just together real quick and try to try to at least see if we could get some money out of this shit. That's what it felt like, like money grab by the family.

Anthony: 12:54

This is part two of three because there's actually three parts that gets into the first one to be coming out soon. But I think with him, it's more like I think this happened at a later stage of life. Could he speak in more of how can I describe it?

Jeff: 13:10

He's talking about Illuminati shit. Conspiracy shit.

Anthony: 13:15

I thought would be right up your alley.

Jeff: 13:17

intergalactic shit, like you're talking about worship, but it's not prodigy. That's not the Prodigy. I remember like, yeah, he always used to say, you know, I'm saying Illuminati trying to take control of my mind, soul and my body. You know, he used to say shit like that. But it was still like, he missed South Street in his album.

Anthony: 13:33

No, because I think this is at a point in his career. Where what let me rewind, it was not a point in his career. It's a point in his life. I think it's past the point where he's ill and so on so forth. It's more reflective than anything else not really thinking about life, you've kind of think about broader terms of everything beyond I think that's what you kind of get with certain people. Like, not necessarily seeing the end of it, but I think he had a good sense that it was probably going to end like so we perform hidden performance issues always don't Mobb Deep stuff and everything else to the degree that this is like his innermost thoughts as I guess you can say as far as out as they may seem, but you know, him looking at the world through a particular lens. This is one of those things so what's a great no like I said it was released by the state so I guess it's something he did he produce you want to get shit done. So we'll see.

Jeff: 14:27

If the state wants to do a money grab their best bet is to do press put together like a best of you know, I'm saying put his up his old Mobb Deep songs together, put his shit with NAS and shit together, or his collaborations and make a CD, or whatever a compilation album would have the greatest hits. That'll go over way better than his nonsense. Anyway, what do you say he was gonna say before you say you're gonna save it for later.

Anthony: 14:54

Music, save it. Save it, save it, save it.

Jeff: 15:00

Alright. Alright, so let me get into this. Is that right? And you tell me if I was racist or not. So you know how I'm in. I'm in the Twitter. I'm in the Twitter spaces, right. And one of the Twitter chats is supposed to be an all Yankee Twitter chat. I mean, this is individual by the name of lean. Shout out to lean. I spell it l e n, right. And at one point, I was like, Yo, and I said something to the effect of yo lien What's your real name? Because I'm talking of calling you by a random drink and this person says lien is my real name and then proceeds to call me racist. And obviously, I didn't know that but the it's an Arabic name lien is Arabic and it means tender or something to that effect, right?

Anthony: 16:05

You thought he was talking about drink?

Jeff: 16:09

I'm like, yo, all I know about Lean is that's the shit that little Wayne be drinking. That shit is mad, illegal initiative. fuck you up. That's all I know about Lean. This person was like, nah, this is my real name. And it's Arabic and it means this and then I'm like, oh shit, my bad. There was like, You're you're racist as fuck. I'm like, nah. And then and then I questioned myself. I'm like, Damn, that's a you know, I had to read my comment over and over again. I was like, Damn, that's just sound kind of Wow. Now, you know, I kept playing it back in my head. Because I was like, Yo, what the fuck is your real name? Because I don't want to keep calling you after a random drink. Those were my exact quotes and after I read it back to myself multiple times. I was like, Damn, that's just sounded Wow. That just sounded wild offensive sounded it was so I apologize whatever, whatever. And I was like damn, I'm gonna use this as an Is that racist segment because now I'm questioning myself

Anthony: 17:03

racist. It is like, you get real fucked up with like to demand said mean right why gotta be mean like what man was like handicap? And it wasn't even a man it's actually a female or a woman's handicap and like she leaned a little bit she just called us up that just to be No, not for like aimless some other bullshit like that. You run situation like this call to my ID name. And then wonder what your real name is like. So okay, so

Jeff: 17:30

on the fence. Well, in my defense, half the people on there don't really refer to each other as their real names. You don't

Anthony: 17:36

need to you don't know me you're not supposed to do you?

Jeff: 17:40

Can you know right, so they will name themselves after a football player. They'll named themselves after a basketball player after a baseball but they'll give themselves nicknames so we just call each other nicknames. Obviously I'm just Jeffrey by calling a job not gonna lie. But I'm thinking okay, Lena is not this person's real name. This is a drink they probably liked this drink. I don't know this was you know, I was like what the fuck is your real name? There's like that is my real name you racist fuck I was like oh shit.

Anthony: 18:03

Right but but did it even last name?

Jeff: 18:06

No, I'm not gonna ask somebody for the last name.

Anthony: 18:08

But when you're on there What is the name that you give the people

Jeff: 18:12

what do you mean we just named I mean you know everybody has their whatever their hashtag right is what are what's your names are whatever whatever my shit is my real name. I put it you know, says Jeff Delarosa creator of the culture, etc etc. I have my shit up down. You know, the whole name. I got my name Jeff. Delarosa. Yes,

Anthony: 18:29

but the other person whose lien whatever.

Jeff: 18:33

Yeah, could probably check. I don't know what the fuck they have as a last name. Let me check real quick. Yeah, just as lien okay. And and then the Twitter hope she doesn't mind me giving her hurt hurt her Twitter handle, you know, at

Anthony: 18:47

least Yeah, please give her hands and rock

Jeff: 18:49

with it. Underscore rock with it. So obviously that's not a real name. As far as the last name I get lean with it rock which is a playoff that's something okay. That's not a real name. Yeah,

Anthony: 18:59

and I understand that but when right leaning with a rock with it. Alright, it's okay. Even if you said lean with it rock with the right. Lean with a rock with it is dance. It got nothing to do with a drink. You automatically assume that you know and

Jeff: 19:12

I'm telling Yankee your chat. Shout out to Leanne. I apologize once again for thinking that your name was not really your name, right? Because

Anthony: 19:19

you often thought it was like lean, like the drink but it's not the drink. Drink right automatic drink given at the end of the winter, you can have to add it's lean with it rock with it. That's at the end. Correct. So even like at that point, she's mentioning a dance. Now, I'm going to assume that you've interacted with the person before correct.

Jeff: 19:40

We talked about the Yankees and sure enough in sports, it shouldn't have been in the groups in

Anthony: 19:44

any way shape or form has a person ever makes an alcohol

Jeff: 19:52

I don't think about it. Not really.

Anthony: 19:54

It's always pretty much been sports. Correct? Right? Nothing more nothing less. He was Jenkees Yankees all day every day.

Jeff: 20:01

Maybe some basketball some Nixon some football but but

Anthony: 20:05

generally sports. Nothing. Nothing mentioned alcohol. A tag name that references the dance. Not a drink. never mentioned anything about drugs or alcohol ever.

Jeff: 20:16

And that's actually the first time I even noticed what her handle was because I didn't even realize that she said Linwood Iraq was right or whatever because

Anthony: 20:22

because because the name of her name is in the word of a song. So I guess it works. Okay,

Jeff: 20:29

I understand why it wasn't racism, not man. Yeah,

Anthony: 20:31

I mean, you gotta tell me to cut that shit off. You weren't asking me you want like fried trying to figure it out? Yeah, it's racist the fuck everything that had nothing to do with the thing like it's it's a person's name people have weird when I say weird names. Just something I was native to their culture. Can I say it was racist? No, I could privacy. It was a bit. Maybe ignorant.

Jeff: 20:54

It was ignorant, naive or just maybe ignorant. Yeah,

Anthony: 20:57

yeah. But the thing is like naivety, naivety and racism are like real close cousins. Very close. Like because because that's because that's the shit that what white people are racist. That's what they do often they're like, I'm not I'm not racist. I just didn't know. I was naive. I was stupid. Like, you can only pull that shit for so long to realize like, I'll shoot you bail on this one. But if you keep doing the same shit and you probably just you know, racist, so I'm gonna shoot you a touch a bear right here to say like, Oh, he's a little bit naive. Don't call it no asking about but but a fucking Twitter name. Oh, somebody's obviously obvious. Even then that's the shit necessarily that they chose. Let them brief. It's going to be alright. But this one. Let's just shrug it off a general stupidity. Okay.

Jeff: 21:44

So I got to take the L on this one. Oh, yeah.

Anthony: 21:46

It's, it's, um, I like it. So somebody taught you some kind of rose or something that you bloom? Like, yes. In the name? Oh, my bad. Like, No, I'm asking. It's literally right there. Like, it's like, you know what roses in Spanish? Is that so you already don't, don't be stupid. Like, say you was getting and trying to figure it out. But once you finally figured out you kind of came to this point. So therefore that's it. Don't feel bad about it. It just happened. So therefore since it's happened, it's gonna be okay. And we're just it's a lesson learned. I

Jeff: 22:16

apologize for the young lady teaching moment. Your lien er, put up her apologize to the to the Arabic community. He

Anthony: 22:22

put up her Twitter tag. Right. Yeah. So anybody can reach out to him like Jeff not racist. Okay. Talk about the Yankees. Or they can be like, fuck, Jeff. Yeah, I mean, they got to tag so my school phone

Jeff: 22:38

has Shabbat to blow up. Good. Man notifications like, Can I be your friend? Yeah. Good. I follow you.

Anthony: 22:43

That'd be great. That'd be good for her.

Jeff: 22:46

I apologize to Leanne and apologize to the Arabic community. I was ignorant. Racist. I apologize.

Anthony: 22:52

I apologize. Leanne, and I apologize to rock I'm waiting. Who's rock? Oh, look at look at look at you. Fucking up. All right. Who's rock so you got I got it. You got to stick with it.

Jeff: 23:08

Lean with it rock with lean with it rock with the grip. It's a great song. If it wasn't for the fact that Coolio you know, we got to pay homage to Coolio I would have that would have probably I would have used that song to end the show with but I'm thinking I'm gonna end with some Coolio maybe some Dangerous Minds. Oh cool. Y'all got some shit bro. I think he's underrated I mean he doesn't he doesn't have like a vast catalog you know? But he did fantastic boys used to be my shit. Come on on and bride Oh, no. Fantastic boy supplies Liberty slider. You got the main focus coming out the trunk or call? I'm like how to fuck you fit all those people in that trunk? A moment on the beaches. The beauty of America. Check that and then he had no he had the Dangerous Minds right with Michelle Pfeiffer? No. He got the song from there. And then the most odd love living in a gangster's paradise against his paradise ship. He got Oh, he's you know my song from the from the what's the cartoon shirt? I like the Monstars shit. The Space Jam. He's on that show with the Space Jam with him met the man LL Cool J be real and Busta Rhymes. Coolio got a tough verse on that. And he although he also does the fucking soundtrack to Kenan and Kel all year Dan Dan Dennett and content that used to be my shit when I was little. Anyway, yeah, rest in peace, the Coolio Hi man is the topic I wanted to get into. Because we've talked about or hear about rappers incriminating themselves in rap lyrics correct. And California restricts the use of rap lyrics and criminal trials after the governor Newsom signs a new bill. So in the state of California, you can no longer use rap lyrics in court. To fucking use against these guys. And I wanted to get your take on it. My take on it is this. And let me read the article first, because they try to make it like a black black thing or racist thing that goes in a big win for creative expression. Governor Gavin Newsom signed the decriminalizing artistic expression Act, which restricts the use of rap lyrics as evidence in court in California. And August, the California Senate and Assembly unanimously approved the bill a B 2799. Speaking to the importance of the legislation at a vote ritual bill signing ceremony where rap artists Killer Mike Meek Mill to short, tight Dolla Sign, y, g, 40 and Tiger. Whoa there, as well as the CEO of Recording Academy Harvey Mason Jr. Leaders from the black music Action Coalition and songwriters of North America also joined the signing ceremony. In a press release, the black music Action Coalition called the bill quote unquote, a crucial step in the right direction of not injecting racial bias into court proceedings, especially given the recent indictment of Young Thug and gunner whose lyrics were directly quoted and used against them and an ongoing Rico trial. Okay, so this is my take. I don't think it's a black or brown thing. I think is your fucking stupid as fuck thing. Because if these rappers want to go out and commit crimes, and then hop on a song and rap about said crime, then I feel like you should be able to use that shit in court as evidence if these fucking guys want to incriminate themselves, then let them because even when we were growing up, and our rap lyrics are quote, unquote, gangsta rap, yeah, they were violent. But when Snoop Dogg was rapping about it's a one night seven on an undercover cop. He wasn't going around killing cops. You know what I'm saying? He wasn't out there killing cops. Later on, he would go on trial for an alleged murder and he would beat that case. You know what I'm saying? The shit that was going he was there was rapping about the shit that they saw the shit that was happening in our streets. Today's motherfuckers they rap about the shit that they've actually done or went and rob this guy or I shot this person or that person, you go and listen to the songs. And it's a fucking timeline of the shit that day the crimes that they actually committed. So if you ask me, let them let them use those fucking lyrics in court. I don't give a fuck. They're stupid enough to do these crimes and in rap about them. You're incriminating yourself. And then listen to this quote. For too long, prosecutors in California have used rap lyrics as a convenient way to inject racial bias and confusion into the criminal justice process, said Deena lipault, entertainment attorney and co founder of songwriters of North America. This legislation sets up important guardrails that will help courts hold prosecutors accountable and prevent them from criminalizing black and brown artistic expression. Thank you Governor Newsom, for setting the standard. We hope Congress will pass similar legislation, as this is a nationwide problem. Willie, the prophet stickers co founder and co chair of black music Action Coalition added the signing of AB 2799 which is known as the decriminalization, the criminalizing artistic expression act. And to California law is a huge victory for the artistic and creative community and a big step in the right direction towards our federal legislation. The Rip act, preventing the use of lyrics as the sole business basis to prosecute cases, the black music Action Coalition applause Governor Newsom for his willingness to stand with artists and defend our First Amendment right to freedom of speech, further advocating for legislation in the form of a federal bill the restoring artistic protection of the RIP act. introduced in the House this summer, rep Hank Johnson and rep. Jamaal Bowman of New York took the stage at the RA RIA offices in Washington DC on September 29, ahead of a panel discussion on rap and the rules of evidence, blah, blah, blah. Again, if you're going to rap about shit that you actually committed, then you have to face the consequences if you get caught those that's my opinions. Harvey Mason Jr. CEO Recording Academy said Today we celebrate an important victory for music creators in the state of California. Silencing any genre or form of artistic expression is a violation against all music people. Music people, the history that's been made in California today will help pave the way forward in the fight to protect creative freedom nationwide. We extend our gratitude to Assemblymember Jones Sawyer for his leadership on this issue and to Governor Newsom for recognizing the importance of protecting artistry and signing the decriminalizing artistic expression Act into law. I don't know what you got to say about this.

Anthony: 30:16

Alright, so the issue that you're going to run into a guy like this it's kind of simple. He said before and for one a little bit. Now it's your favorite artists right?

Jeff: 30:30

He's he's up there. Yeah.

Anthony: 30:32

Okay, let's use your favorites okay. It's It's understandable. Knives tells very vivid story tells my life he didn't live wasn't a shooter wasn't a dope deal. It wasn't any of the above. But he painted very explicitly pictures of a life of the gentleman, not saying any names. Were not mentioned anybody or any situations, just being very vivid about the picture of the pig that about the picture that they're painting big was similar to a great storyteller. A lot of guys told stories of things that the net necessary witness might have heard, or not even seen. They might have heard secondhand thirdhand about what it might have been. So we run to God like this. It is kind of incriminating when you say certain shit. And every time we see you see on social media, you flashing a fist full of cash, or holding a gun here and there. So they're going to try to gently join you

Jeff: 31:35

guys together for a murder or robbery or for a home invasion. And then when they pop and then when they when they pop in your record, you're talking about a home invasion that you did a murder robbery. So so the question is, should they be allowed to use this in court as evidence or as an admittance even

Anthony: 31:57

know unless you can draw a clear line between one and the other? To him says, if

Jeff: 32:06

I make a song and I'm talking about Yeah, because when I killed Anthony, you know what I'm saying I saw his blood and, and blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden Anthony goes missing, and then they find his body dead. I have a song saying when I kill Anthony

Anthony: 32:24

why you want to shoot Mito, like the fuck?

Jeff: 32:27

You're a prime suspect. I'm just giving an example. Right, right. I

Anthony: 32:30

think it was for me,

Jeff: 32:31

I'm just saying. But if I say I'm gonna kill you, and then you turn up dead, I'm gonna be a prime suspect. And they're gonna use those lyrics in court, except in California, where now they passed a law where you cannot do that. But was that gonna trickle down to all the other states eventually, you

Anthony: 32:46

know, I mean, but like I said, Sometimes it's obvious. And the criminal act is there and we don't do anything about it. You know, for example, and this is pretty much the prime example. Our Kelly been tell us a shoe he'd been doing for years. For years in musing. Even and that's just songs. That's just lyrics at non stop playing our Kelly. Yes, it is. You know, it is. It's okay, though. Right? But but we let that cook. And we knew so when the shit came out. Like, he'd been kind of telling us for a while. Jay Z talks about his drug dealing past. It doesn't define who he is now. And plus. Right, and there has been cold traffic. Right? I think California trying to offset the shit that to do with Young Thug and gun like, they're using their lyrics in the fucking Rico. Like, right like some organized crime shit. Like they said they did shit like this. And all I gotta do is find one person who did back to Bush it up.

Jeff: 33:43

This is Exhibit A right here

Anthony: 33:44

right now. But like I said, I was missing out can't say I wasn't necessarily a fan of the police. But when NWA said, Fuck the police, I got it. Like I said, to think about Snoop when he said an undercover cop. Got that too. You know, any? Whatever.

Jeff: 34:04

Neither of those rappers went to trial for killing a cop.

Anthony: 34:07

No, never. They were just they were they were using the form of rap as an expression to how they feel about the ills of society. Some paint very vivid pictures about the ills of society, the dope fiends, the drugs, the crime, the murders, the rapes, they, they put it in their phone. It doesn't make them criminals, it just makes them artist. That's a difference. So should you use this against them? No, I don't think so at all. Because like this sets a very dangerous precedent because now you're trying to police art. And mostly it's due to not killers, because of those killers. Hopefully, they'd be in prison by now. They wouldn't be rapping, they wouldn't be on stage, they wouldn't be traveling around the world. Because, you know, they got some shit in a jacket. That's the way it works. So the situation like this, like California, believe it or not like that, like they're right. Like, you can say whatever you're going to say, but unless we have action of you doing so. We can't hold it against you. And that right? Like I said, I'm not really worried about all these kids out here rapping right now like kind of self snitching on themselves. The thing is that eventually, you're going to get caught. And I gotta use the words against you, man. Seriously, I really don't. Because you will fold up they understand the reason why we put the sheet up on you because we have enough evidence knowing that we're doing whatever you need to do to you. And that's going to be it. Like the shit with thug and gunner. It's more like people are bringing up the lyrics and the music against it, but like nah, this is a RICO so it's a federal charge. And the Feds don't fuck around. Like they got something on you or they got someone to talk about you. So just say like, Oh God, what I'm saying I'm alert now how I'm living my life. Oh, they don't care. They got evidence showing that you do live this life and that you are running a criminal conspiracy period. So when something like this comes up, it's like it's not a big thing. I think California is right like we We can't, can't penalize art we can't penalize people for making up shit. Rick Ross has had a whole career about being basically the biggest drug lords and Pablo Escobar. I never hear himself shit. It's just the way it goes. It's art, they say things I know Ross is like, it's okay.

Jeff: 36:04

But there's a difference between rapping about shit that you've seen, or that you've heard of in the street like NAS does. Or rapping about shit that you used to do, like Jay Z does, selling drugs and selling cocaine and shit like that. rapping about shit you used to do in a prior life. There's a difference between those two things and rapping about shit that you're doing. Now, we've noticed that if you're committing crimes now, and you're rapping about committing crimes now, then you should be able to be held responsible for your actions for the lyrics, etc. Yes.

Anthony: 36:41

And particularly degrees, I do agree with you. I do. If they say like, you know, fuck loose, so and so that's why he got shot in the face. They can cook if you say fuck loose, so and so because I shot him in the face. Right? I'm going to have to pull that aside. Let me take that one little snip right there, because we did find his body. And there was a hole in the face. And there was no one else around. So someone had to know he got shot in the face. I get it. Now, that's just self incrimination. Now, I'm not going to use everything against you. But when I listen to your lyrics and see if he might have said something about someone that proves something factual in a case that nobody knows about. Yes, you should. But I think it was it gives us I wouldn't even necessarily say they're going to be reared in between because somebody's kids are idiots. I wouldn't put it past them, them doing it. But I think they should probably be smart about it. But I think again, you can't incriminate art. That's the nature of it. It's supposed to be free religion, whatever, even if it says things that you disagree with. There are people who are there collect Nazi art, which is weird to me, but it's what they do. And that's fine. Okay, that's for y'all. Is that shit for me? Absolutely not. Now in a situation like this, with them saying whatever they're going to be saying to incriminate themselves. I'm not going to hold you. If that's what you said. And he found evidence that you did it you did you going to jail? If you felt he was bold enough or brave enough to talk about thinking that he wasn't gonna get caught? Well, that makes an idiot out of you. But I just think in certain instances, you are 100% Correct. If there's something that is clearly drawing a line from A to B from a crime that you may have been involved with, yes. But outside of that, it's just art. Just rep. I know that Rick Ross does not know the real Noriega, he does not owe him 100 favors. I know he said that shit. That's not true. But I know he said it. And people let him cook them lines that Ross cook for years with the bullshit. It's alright. Because I know it was just rap. But if he's going to be wrapped as keep it as rap, and when situations like this occur, when people are put in danger situation like this, they live in a different life. It's weird to think about it in a sense of football, like the Aaron Hernandez thing. I was unaware of that, you know, a millionaire title was basically playing Grand Theft Auto in a weekend murder and people. So it's an outlet around possibility that some and I mean, a very minut few. All right here living his gangster life while being rappers nothing's impossible, I can see that. But am I thinking that

Jeff: 39:02

like there should be some exceptions like they should. I feel like this should be able to use the lyrics and core as some type of confessional in certain cases. Like if it's real accurate, like if what you said in the lyrics is real accurate to what happened in real life? Also, I should I feel like that shouldn't be the only form of evidence like if you don't have nothing else on this person, then you shouldn't be able to use this the song. But I feel like the song lyrics should be part of more evidence that you have. I'm also curious to see what other states are going to, you know, uphold this law. And I'm not sure is gonna be the states that have the most African American population? I bet. Yeah.

Anthony: 39:39

But even so I would say it really comes down to find like, if you're going to listen to it, they need to find something specific. I don't think anything outside of that should be admissible in court. If it's something that matches a particular name or particular place, and it's very clear and you window that you are either part of or where this crime. Yeah, you got it. Yeah. You don't have to sit down in this one. But outside of that, just listening to whatever. Like I said, if you listen to like your favorite rap stars, they are the biggest heroin cocaine dealers in the world that have 20 women and like hundreds of millions of dollars. We all know that's not true. But it's it's a it's a thing that they're selling. It's a lifestyle that they're putting forward, even though it's not the reality of the fact and that's fine. We come to a particular agreement that we accept that like this, the same but it's entertaining, and that's what it is. It should be entertainment. If you're out now talking about murders that you've done on tone. And then you wonder why the youth stood against you. You kind of had that one coming

Jeff: 40:40

and where what's like where does it end? Like for example, if m&ms Mom is found dead or m&ms, you know, Kim Mathers is like his wife do they go back and listen to some Eminem lyrics and be like, Ah, you're a suspect you're a prime suspect or or if Eminem has some type of fan whose actual name is Stan and he's committed suicide or some shit are they able to use that against said rapper? Because you you know on some awesome you influenced him to do to commit this shit you know I'm saying yeah I think some Charles Manson shit,

Anthony: 41:13

we got it we've got to start with the establishment of the law first let's take Eminem's mom, for example, if he's performing a show, and I don't know, England, and she dies in Oregon, like I'm not like, I'm not here, I'm not a suspect. Don't get into the whole conspiracy theory shit, like he wanted her dead for a long time. So he planned to be on the other side of the world. We hired a hitman to go and kill his mother at this exact time to have a built an alibi. Stop that or to know what you're thinking. You don't have to do that. What I'm saying is these things occur. And I don't think you should be able to hold those things against the body again. Like is it like what NWA said Fuck the police and all sudden there was an FBI file on these things happen. Like it's just not something that's out of the blue. They use those words against you to see if you're some kind of you know, political, some kind of radicalized threat trying to overthrow the US government which they're not just a bunch of guys will copy and read them. But we we have to understand that's why we have to protect hip hop, protect the letter of the law. And know that there's a clear line between both someone can be saying something and doing nothing. People ask Ben all the time, they always act lately about something like to do shit. So we come into a situation like this and this occurs. No, you can't you can't hold it against him because like I say, you start going down that crazy holding. But what about this? What about that? Like no. Like, like, not it's not it's not due from street dreams. Jay Z is no longer do from blueprint, con just having a golfing graduation, people change. They differ, the music gets a little different that people age out of things, but they're not all murderers. They're not all drug dealers. But again, if you say something that incriminates yourself, and you bring this to light, and it's either exact or eerily similar to something that's going on, and like it's kind of a vicinity thing, then yeah, hold it against them. But outside of that, absolutely not. Let

Jeff: 43:07

these little rappers need to stop incriminating themselves and if they're gonna continue to incriminate themselves, you better be in California, because otherwise I'm literally gonna get used against them in court.

Anthony: 43:15

I gotta have a question or two about lyrics. Cuz you are you're funny your computer or your phone right now. Yeah. All right. Just hear me out. Because you know, you know how I would say that. That would have used some degree to jump off song of all time. Oh, yeah. saving all my love here. You know, um, you know, nice and slow, right? Bauscher

Jeff: 43:40

I just wanna take it nice and slow. The baby tell me what you want to do with me.

Anthony: 43:46

Here's a question now. Do you want me to see Do you want me to read your lyrics? Would you like to read them? Go

Jeff: 43:52

ahead you read them you read?

Anthony: 43:53

Okay, hold on. Let's go nice and nice and slow. Just hear me out. I'm not gonna think it Joe. Bye bye Asha right Basha All right. Well probably be there in about 10 minutes at seven o'clock when in doubt I'm gonna drop top Cruise was history. Got a real pretty pretty little thing that's Wait for me. I pull up anticipating good love. Don't keep me waiting. I got plans to put my hands in places I've never seen or you know what I mean? Know what I mean? right let me take it to a place nice and quiet. There's no one to interrupt and gotta rush. I just want to take a nice slow wait for this for so long. We'll make a look to the sun comes up. I just want to take a nice slug. We continue on. Here we are driving around town contemplating where I'm going to lay you down. You got me saying mama Ma. I wish that I could pull over and get this thing started right now. I want to do some freaky to you. I don't think you hurt me. I want to do some freaky to you. Because the host fellow's name you know got me us he are a Wyatt r&d baby. Tell me what you want to do with me guy Nick a Fenian like Joe to see every time that you roll me hold me he's trying to get control let me not slow you know, never let go not meant to be slow. That's how to hook go right. Now, here's my question.

Jeff: 45:03

What are you insinuating? Just like a rape scene. So no, no,

Anthony: 45:06

no clothes and everything. Are you sure that she wasn't picking a prostitute? Oh, read it. Take your time. Take your time. I was just sitting there thinking it's only Hmm. Because again, he spells his name he'd never mentioned service. He calls her tells him make sure she works on particular. He doesn't pick her up from a house. He doesn't like like like he pulls up like like she's on a corner or some he's already my like, we fucking it was it is not if people do love song ain't seen and we ain't going to dinner when going out to whatever and like I said, it's not like it's seven o'clock, right? Like dinnertime, dinner, right? You're not going

Jeff: 45:47

to be picking up hook as though

Anthony: 45:50

there's no good time. Like,

Jeff: 45:52

also he didn't say if it was am or pm it could be 7am That could be some early morning shit.

Anthony: 46:00

And my drop top cruising the streets. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me see if I can disarm that.

Jeff: 46:07

Because also we don't know if that's East Coast or West Coast time. That could be seven o'clock la time, which is 10pm New York time. We don't know what he had.

Anthony: 46:14

But it's still dinnertime. Didn't go to dinner. She didn't give me 10 minutes be ready. A weird little thing I like. Right? I'm look, I'm not saying that. I hate picking up prostitutes. I'm just saying. It's not like you're picking up prostitutes. Of course, I'm not gonna talk about the money you gave her in exchange for services because it seemed kind of suspect. That would be understandable. Right? And the whole thing of like, all right. So let's say you got to Sacha Mossad. Someone got Assata Shakur, they do some wild shit. They can't do it a woman because who the fuck says I'm gonna put my hands in place that I've never seen. But he says girl, you know what I mean? So she's a professional. So she might be like, you know, fist up their whole kind of person can't do the shoot. The wife is just too unbecoming for her. But for this one because she's a professional. Because she's a professional. He can put his hands in places he's never seen. At this point. I don't know if you've ever seen a vagina. Pretty certainly seen it by now. But as he says, specifically, I got plans to put my hands in places I've never seen grow. You know what I mean? And she knew with no hesitation.

Jeff: 47:20

What places has he hasn't he seen? There are

Anthony: 47:23

only three offers on a human being well, on a woman's specifically vagina mouth and an anus. If you're talking to somebody you see their mouth right away if you're interviewing them prior to writing a vagina.

Jeff: 47:34

I want to know where he was talking to him.

Anthony: 47:36

Right? Not a finger. His hand his entire hand when I guess maybe because hand flows better with the song I got plans to put my finger in place. Fingers seems out of place. But my hand sounds like some wild shit he by to get into. You don't really get into the wild shit. The person you wit. It's wild enough is freaky, but ain't like that. Now, if I'm on drugs, please tell me but it sounds like a song about prostitution.

Jeff: 48:03

I never thought about like that. But we might have to dive into that a little bit deeper.

Anthony: 48:09

Okay, I'm telling you that. You're buying it and he bought it. He's selling it. He's Oh Barnes.

Jeff: 48:16

Polly. Why is that why Chile left his this to us? Yes. Yes.

Anthony: 48:22

Yeah. For prostitutes at 7am or pm which are still bad times. 7am I'm going to work. That's the problem. You need to see a therapist. It's too early for that. You'd like to help me? Yeah, before I go to work let me let me go hardest pressing recruit. Go ahead, get my jollies off, put my hands where some shit I never seen before. And then we go we're just like this offense and get to type and stop. That might be prostitute. It might be I don't know, in probably an illegal noun in the world of COVID. But I'm telling you, man, I know. It's weird to say but if I was about prostitution, bro,

Jeff: 48:56

fuck it. Let's get out of here man. Yo, Max McKeon said, adaptability is about the powerful difference between adapting to cope and adapting to when the culture check out the website. Hit us up on social media, the culture podcast 2020

Anthony: 49:13

and put your hands in good places that you've never seen. The naughty parts. Nice and slow too. Gansta's Paradise - Coolio, L.V. (verse 1 - Coolio)As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I take a look at my life and realize there's nothin' left 'Cause I've been blastin' and laughin' so long, that Even my momma thinks that my mind is gone But I ain't never crossed a man that didn't deserve it Me be treated like a punk, you know that's unheard of You better watch how you talkin' and where you walkin' Or you and your homies might be lined in chalk I really hate to trip, but I gotta loc As they croak, I see myself in the pistol smoke Fool, I'm the kinda G the little homies wanna be like On my knees in the night, sayin' prayers in the streetlight.

(chorus: 50:01

L.V.)They've been spendin' most their lives livin' in the gangsta's paradise They've been spendin' most their lives livin' in the gangsta's paradise We keep spendin' most our lives livin' in the gangsta's paradise We keep spendin' most our lives livin' in the gangsta's paradise