Roe v. Wade, America v. Women

Natasha: 0:47

From hip hop and sports to everything in between. No, but really this podcast has everything. Jeff and Ant keep it real. They say, Well, we all are thinking, from your top favorite rappers to serious political issues. This is your one stop shop. Congrats on your 100th episode. Let's go. Take it away, boys.

Jeff: 1:09

Yo, thank you Tosh. We're gone. That was that was Tosh one of our original Patreon ins, and the first voice of our original intro back in the day when we first started. So for the longest time, she was the very first voice that you heard on the show. Fuck You're right. So think right that this is our 100th episode. I'm your host Jeff. Hey, well, my man was good. Yeah, we

Anthony: 1:37

did it, man. We don't. Man. I wish I wouldn't not have the Kleenex Shut up. You don't want a little twisting pop off and confetti flying? Yeah. Yeah. But if I do it now I had to sweep the shit up. So I'm not gonna do that. Because like every once

Jeff: 1:50

in a while you get the bootleg one from like the dollar store and you pop in the ship. Now don't be working. It'd be like one string come up.

Anthony: 1:56

Like you pop it nothing come and you turn it over and all fall out. Like I paid $1 for it. I get because I get what I pay for.

Jeff: 2:03

But yeah, yeah. Oh, we made it to 100. Man. We took a much needed week off last week. After going almost 100 weeks in a row of doing this shit, bro. That's almost two years.

Anthony: 2:16

I don't want to say we just took a week off like, lighten up and like you're trying to get into depth with this shit. I'm tired that

Jeff: 2:22

it was Father's Day. It was Father's Day. So Happy belated Father's Day

Anthony: 2:26

to everybody. Everybody. Hope you enjoy her body. Then likes it and it got dad and people got graduations birthdays. June June the wild month.

Jeff: 2:36

Summer kicks in. Oh, and we had during tiempo so you had Juneteenth off. I finally had Juneteenth off. You're welcome. And but I'm happy for this milestone. I think this is a big moment. And I'll tell you why. If you allow me to read off some stats for you. I'll tell you why. It's a monumental, monumental milestone. So currently, currently, there are 2 million podcasts that have been created in the world. 90% of those podcasts don't get passed.

Anthony: 3:14

Oh, my Hola. Wait. What's Off mic off mic? Because Ooh, Off mic. Remember, homeboy,

Jeff: 3:21

we're gonna get to that. Okay, all right, 90% of podcasts don't get past episode three. So that's 1.8 million, who quit? Off the brink, right? Of the 200,000 that are remaining 90% of those will quit after 20 episodes. These are factual, actual factual stats. 26% of podcasts quit after the first episode. So that leaves literally 20,000 active podcasts right now in circulation. And we are one of them. And it's even less than that, that make it to 100 episodes. So people say like, all the you know, the market is flooded with podcasts? Not really, it's still a very new medium. And a lot of people quit nobody, you know, I'm saying there's really no longevity. So we're still in the minority. You know, I mean, when you keep going, you

Anthony: 4:17

know, people just sitting there just doing it for the sake of doing it. We do it because we generally like and we're dealing like each other so

Jeff: 4:24

you can vouch that we've inspired several podcasts to turn on the mics. Am I wrong? Agreed not just one, we've inspired multiple people to start off podcast. And after a few episodes, they stopped. And this is not a shot. I'm not taking a shot. There's not a jab at anybody. I just say that to say you know that I realized that is difficult. People don't have time people don't have the resources. People don't have what I'm saying. They don't have the content, they don't have the passion for it. There's a lot of different reasons why people will just stop doing it. Because it's not as easy as it may seem. So that's why I'm excited that we've gotten this fall, you know, say we've been able to keep going when so many have failed. Did that sound like a slight jab at anybody?

Anthony: 5:10

You know, if I'm thinking about who I'm thinking about in a jab, this is direct this towards that person, but since that person shall not be named. It's not that this is just honestly it's okay. But yeah, I think was a mess, bro. Cuz that MAFAC was supposed to be here. He's supposed to have this seat. And they said, Nah, I'm gonna do my own thing. three episodes in that sense like I'm doing this is too much. I don't know how you do it by yourself. How many how many coming to a three for like three or four. And he just went on about his life like you know what, man? Fuck what you talking about? I'm starting my own and podcast, I'm gonna have my own thing it's gonna be me against the world. So what's the weapon those and after that after that it will just me fuck the world just sitting there by myself. Sorry, man,

Jeff: 5:59

shout out to Brooklyn's support.

Anthony: 6:01

I appreciate putting that battery in our back don't make it seem like the shit one gonna let you know, but continue.

Jeff: 6:07

But we've also we've inspired other people too. It wasn't just that particular person. There's other people that we've inspired.

Anthony: 6:13

No, not the fact that we inspire other people. It just said, you know, because we inspired them. And it was something I love that she was out of hate. Like, yeah, right. Like, bro, you have to do this like like, just like kind of came about to shift the way he couldn't find an easy three man podcast. Easy. But it's got to get tighter by the guy that motivated want to do his own thing. I don't fault him. But you say like, I'm not going to do this because I don't want to do my own thing. Do you stop doing your own thing? So I don't know what to tell you. You should have tried harder. You could have been on here celebrating 100 I don't know what you're doing that but you just enjoy whatever you're doing, though. Appreciate that, though. Have fun.

Jeff: 6:47

You know, a lot of things happened since we were gone. The Warriors won the NBA championship.

Anthony: 6:52

It was a bad part by having off two weeks. It's like, sometimes it's like, alright, it'd be a week but nothing happens. Like alright, we'll try again later. Then you take a couple days off, then everything happens like fuck. I gotta have all this shit. Like yeah, that's how it go. But congratulations to the Warriors though.

Jeff: 7:10

Yeah, I don't I don't see them losing anytime soon your rent would have worn off even losing. My rant is gonna be about the net and not even a rant. Because of rent. The nets are falling apart right before our eyes and I am absolutely loving it. But I bah bah, bah.

Anthony: 7:27

You can't love I've never called I'm not going to call a carrier crazy person because I think it's dismissive. But I think you know what you like what you signed up for the moment at the Mohegan Sun an anti Vax thing. I want him off carried and when he came into like the arena, trying to save the arena. I'm like all right. I got a problem with him because he different right now. I mean, he had a whole that whole stage one walk around the Barclays like fan and you didn't get rid of it. He was spirits like oh shit,

Jeff: 7:56

I'm not prepared. Like I want an easygoing guy and not prepared to call the man's crazy because I don't think he's very smart. I don't think he's I think he's far from crazy. What he is though is controversial. He's a headache he's Oh, he's a lot of things you know, I'm saying for example, all right, he couldn't play the majority of the games because of the vaccine All right, that's your right to not get the vaccine but he but he was eligible to play for 40 games after they took off the mandate and even even out of those 40 games he only played 29 So even when you miss half the season you still missed a third of the games that you were eligible to play you only played and two thirds you know like get out of it

Anthony: 8:36

but when he he took time off and you thought like maybe he was going to wrestle like trying to center himself and then he like went to like his sister's birthday party or something like that. See, you can be crazy and you could be like crazy in the silly sense not serious sense. You can be weird you can be inconsistent you can be all the above if you can be all the above people so rocket you the reason why people are struggling with him right now in either making a trade is that he just unreliable that's the biggest issue. You can be all the above like you do it in at work you do people who probably have a multitude of emotional issues but they're at work every day. They're reliable him being unreliable like that to kind of especially like I'm going to play when I want to play and not playing I want to play and disregarding help farmers but he'd go into where you remember that song by

Jeff: 9:36

was it was MC Hammer? Do what I want to do say what I want to say to Atlanta talk when I want to have a family join that's the song that he should come out to the ad and fam the song Kyrie should come out to bro I do what I want to do say what I want to say talk when I want to talk play when I want to play

Anthony: 9:55

the problem with that is like you gotta at least be reliable because like I said, I don't even think it's not the next fucking him no more. It's just that, you know, they this one, this one coming from it. Are you going to play yes or no? In fact, you got to accept that as a problem. Like everybody loves curry shoes, but even Nikes like hey, we got time for this shit bro. we

Jeff: 10:15

gon be and then the problem is now that he's asking to be traded right to do a sign and trade and nobody wants him. Nobody wants them and majority of teams don't have space or assets to acquire him. And now the reports are saying that Durant is trying to figure out what he gonna do if Kyrie leaves because he ain't trying to beat him by himself with the wrong curry. And Andre Drummond. We're having been like, Yo, give me anything. Yeah, you know, it was funny. You know what's funny, bro? Ben Simmons finally gets out of Philly. Because he'd been dying. He sat there a whole year trying to get out. He finally gets out. He's like, Oh, Shit I'm about to play with Kyrie and KD and he bought to be left with Seth Curry, Andre Drummond and Joe Harris

Anthony: 10:56

you're looking around like

Jeff: 10:57

you know what pissed me off when they put when they put out the report of the list that Kyrie gave the nets he had a list of teams that he would prefer to get traded to when he put the Knicks on the fucking list. I was like you'll get the fuck out of here we don't even want you broke we don't want you we didn't want you then we want to Durant and when we you know there was like whoa, Kyrie and Durant are a package deal we ain't want no parts of that shit nobody not

Anthony: 11:23

apparently barely shit again. Again carry was like let's do this let's go ahead and go here and be together let's build a championship together carried and like it Kevin didn't say like I'm gonna stick around because I made a promise no man nope carries like not I want to go like because it's about carry. It's not about Durant, and we're gonna get a cat get rid of Korea, go right on ahead. I mean, Durant went out from the Knicks. I'm like, you can have any Binus roster, whatever it takes, come on down. For Kevin Durant now for Kyrie no I rather the three Kyrie first and Kevin went out like hey, can you put here Okay, put

Jeff: 11:58

the Knicks in the Sixers on the list and I understand probably why because he's from New Jersey. So he probably want to stay close to home okay, cool.

Anthony: 12:06

But oh my god, if they treat Kyrie for James

Jeff: 12:10

Madison he's like fucking back here again.

Anthony: 12:15

I burned every bridge out the helicopter me back to them Bridges was burnt

Jeff: 12:19

and then he also put he also put the Clippers which you're not gonna see that happened and he also put the Lakers imagine going back to LeBron and LeBron will take them abroad was taken even after he badmouth them and everything. But without LeBron Kyrie doesn't have any rings.

Anthony: 12:32

I mean, the whole thing of going back there, they gotta be like, it's still a guaranteed championship with AD.

Jeff: 12:40

LeBron and much better than what they have now. No, they would have to tre Westbrook. Imagine Westbrook with Durant, Durant is like, damn, I ran from this guy in Oklahoma.

Anthony: 12:48

They had to treat him Freda for Kyrie Irving but the whole thing with Kyrie Irving is like even with them three like I said, Kyrie is unreliable ad continues to get hurt. And LeBron is going to what year 19 or 20 That's not a guarantee chip, especially so we're gonna we're gonna fit into did now. It'd be Ironman number two proms. I'm gonna miss. You're gonna cool

Jeff: 13:11

but you're moving along to commemorate our 100th episode, let's hear from a former guest and one of our patrons Eric Kaiser. We had him on episode nine. Big puns legacy when we talked about Big Pun and what he meant to the culture.

Anthony: 13:27

You're gonna save him up when we put them on? I don't know. Let's find out. All right,

Grand Kizer: 13:32

yo, yo, yo, yo. Why this board is bought is the one and only grande Casa wanted to take this time and wish to culture. Happy 100th episode. Those come along way I remember when we know when we started with the first episode. And here we are number 100. And I mean, I mean the best ones was the ones that I was featured on of course, I think we all know that. But you know, here's to 100 more. The one and only grant Kaiser

Anthony: 14:06

thank you for that. And that guy.

Jeff: 14:08

Shout out. You said the balls.

Anthony: 14:11

He said the ones I've been one of the best. You've been on to man we want to hunt it up 2%

Jeff: 14:17

the unmitigated unmitigated gall the unmitigated gall Yeah, what else happened? Oh, we got some new music broke. We failed to talk about the albums that came out last week. The Drake Drake shit honestly never mind. That was the name of it. And what's funny is that it dropped nine months back we have to look at it. I feel it my gosh it is wack right it's trash. I heard a couple songs you heard more of it than I did. But you know I trust your work. Because you told me that she was trash. It was like mostly singing right? I have no reason last year that she was pretty wrapped in what two songs only something like that. And the funny shit was is that somebody pointed out that it came out nine months after his previous one where he had the pregnant women's on the cover the emojis that are pregnant with all the pregnant women. So nine months later he pulls out this bullshit

Anthony: 15:09

that's not even spicy. Let's not even creative like alright man who cares? They're not even on the cover. Right? Like it's what's the name of the album? Honestly nevermind. Like I got them all pregnant the same time and nine months later like fuck them kids see the mean and become Lupe dropped and mitigated go I'm gonna say that shit off like mitigated government use it at work. And my five minute stuff. You ain't do this work. Oh my god, you lazy unmitigated gold but what that mean? Like you don't read?

Jeff: 15:41

It's okay. You know, Lupe Fiasco. He dropped the album called drill music in Zion. It's I did. I cannot to say anything negative about a Lupe project, it's not my favorite.

Anthony: 15:52

No, it's hard to argue to do that rap like that. Yeah. No, no, no, it's worse. Okay? Because he's rapping right? That drink she drinks you hear he used my like Jersey beats Jersey club beats and Afro punk beats and Alicia you basically me like passionfruit for like 50 Hold minutes. I'm like, fishy but the thing is,

Jeff: 16:09

he's not even a great singer. You know, I'm saying he's probably a better rapper than He is a singer.

Anthony: 16:14

That poses another interesting question, cuz I'm going to bring up something in a moment I'm going to ask you about the Phil Drake has never been a good singer. You can you can maybe hold a melody from time to time, but I'm not trying to hear like Drake's greatest r&b hits, right? How good is he as rapper? Because it always seemed like him Kendrick and Cole but on pure rapping ability he's probably third

Jeff: 16:37

Yeah, and I personally I like his underground shit better. But so long as mainstream shit like I can mess with underground Drake or mixtape Drake.

Anthony: 16:48

Like so far gone. Drake.

Jeff: 16:50

You know what I'm saying? Him and Wayne tearing it up. I can't really mess with the commercial Drake like at all. There's very few songs that I like I like the shit he did with Wayne and Eminem the shit they didn't LeBron remember that? mean nothing at all.

Anthony: 17:08

Any half assed thing in the game, right? I want to shoot forever, man.

Jeff: 17:12

Like you're not Lauryn Hill because Laura hook is saying and she's a better rapper than she is a singer. But he's not a great singer. And to me, he's not even a great rapper. But he has he's in his pocket. He has that marquee. He has the women fans you know no offense. You know I'm saying but like ll had them we've talked about this ll had the women fans but he also had the guys because he could spit and he could do the girl songs due to heart okay

Anthony: 17:36

all right. But I think anybody who ever had the women correct Yeah, I guess Yeah. Like mace had him for Miss correct murder mace. Right. Like even like like bad boy may slow demolition, but Miss curette like how many rappers that you can come up with over here because I know Drake and unless he makes that you think like really catered to female fans?

Jeff: 17:59

Not fabulous. But fabulous could spit exactly those are the girls songs but he could spit

Anthony: 18:06

right before after rap that's the whole thing. You do the thing for the ladies but he could rap so I mean it's tricky part you run into like I was when like art Drake and rap but I'm not like it's not a verse on him that is like super super duper inspires now like you said I fuck with the early Drake. Yeah. It's Oh my god. I think it's thing songs called see was real. It's over. It's over eight a week, as always in heartbreak. Beats from Kanye. He was rapping about it. He's in his emotional bag, but he not super duper emotional. He gets laid like Marvin room and shit like that. He's rapping his ass off. I can remember that shit. But this album I'm sorry. It's not it. That Beyonce single Na Na

Jeff: 18:50

Na. They try to play around with different sounds you know? I'm saying different pop tech. No, I don't I don't even house dance. I don't know what kind of really I don't even know what to call that genre. But they just playing around with different sounds and I'm not mad at it. You know? I'm saying they're trying to try some different books. That ain't anybody.

Anthony: 19:07

Looking to be honest, but not quit your fucking job. Don't listen to her she a billionaire. She written? Don't Don't let no last party to get fucked up like Beyonce. quit my job. Great. I'm gonna head back to work.

Jeff: 19:17

I hear my favorite drink. She just called ransomware him and waynebow But anyway, um, yeah, I

Anthony: 19:25

think you'd like he's Drake is Drake is a really good rapper. I'm not gonna deny that. But he just when he's got we have when he's with somebody. It works, especially when he's when I've never heard of disappointed track with him and Wayne ever made him laugh together.

Jeff: 19:41

Wayne, not Wayne, breezy. Chris Brown dropped a new album. And some of the shitter sound like he's spin. I mean, it's heavily auto tune and he has a song with Wayne, where he's like sing rap is like singing but rapping, if that even makes sense. And I would argue that that shit sounds better than anything on on the Drake album.

Anthony: 19:58

I couldn't believe that. I just had to figure out. Are you a big Chris Brown fan?

Jeff: 20:02

No. I don't condone. Disclaimer, I don't condone violence towards women either.

Anthony: 20:08

Right? Disregarding the violence towards women. I mean, just asking like a towel.

Jeff: 20:12

I acknowledge and I recognize he's very talented. He's as an entertainer could dance. He's part of the closest thing to Michael Jackson. Oh, God, please. People stop saying I'm just saying like, No, really. I mean, he's not an I'm not saying he's Michael Jackson level. No, but just the closest thing to him was probably breezy. Sure. And you know, like guys that could dance and sing and entertain. We're talking about breezy. We're talking about Usher. We're talking about, you know, Omarion Justin Timberlake. But no, they're nowhere in that category. And at all of those probably Breezies probably the best one.

Anthony: 20:46

Oh, my man. Oh, Oh, no. Oh, you got the other. You got to fix that list man. Like me, but you have to fix that who you put like today

Jeff: 20:54

or whatever? I'm not getting into that. No, wait, no, we kind of have acknowledged he's a good entertainer though. Not dancing.

Anthony: 21:02

He can rap. It's kind of it's taking me somewhere else. What is that gonna save segue to something I want to get into anyway? If you get a chance you should see like, like highlights of this Mario and Mario versus a Mario fucking suck. He can't think. Okay, and that's what brought me to my like singing live. Okay, I'm gonna try to pull through that while I'm gonna ask you this question because he sounds

Jeff: 21:28

like he could say a little bit in the hits, you know, ice by

Anthony: 21:34

CCCC thing. You never had to ask Michael Jackson. If he could kind of thing you can. Or you can

Jeff: 21:44

write Michael actually sang better when he was younger. I felt like his voice got worse as he got older. Because he just started doing he started doing all that bullshit, you know, I'm saying it was more of his the music, the lyrics, the dancing the entertaining aspect of it.

Anthony: 22:00

That Omarion came out. He did like mad costume changes. This nigger voice was just terrible. That shit. You could get through this whole voice in the trash. I'm listening to this like, and I had to really think back like, can he actually really sing? And I'm like, I'm not sure. And I sort of think about all of his music, I don't think is asked ever actually seen and I'm trying to be like, as honest as I could about it. This is that's Mario talking. Let's see. Can you find a part where homeboys ahead bullshitting? Like he kept changing clothes like You're like he's going as Mario. If people forget like Mario can actually like Sing Sing like same thing sang yeah okay shouting I'm like look, you gotta downgrade a home but the point to that man because I don't think he can actually sing. We was frightened about this shit because he was younger and he thought it was just fun because I think it's hopping around and touching putting people in nice boxes or whatever the fuck he's doing. But now as you got older like not every voice isn't there as a matter of fact never was there some like when you talking about that list of like Michael Jackson like now you just go scratch them off, scratch them off and and put white out overtop of it to make sure no one ever personally sees that ever again. Trust me before we

Jeff: 23:33

move on just YouTube when you get a chance. Chris Brown doing the thriller. There was like some award show and it was he was you know, honoring Michael he did the thriller on the stage. National was dope.

Anthony: 23:46

I remember it. Yeah. beautymnl was coming up this week too. Anyway. And no one cares. No one cares. You're gonna watch it.

Jeff: 23:54

I probably watched a little bit of a

Anthony: 23:56

lie. If that's one of the Yankee game on I guarantee I know what you're choosing. Oh, yeah, the Yankee game for sure. You could even turn a BT war. Like who all these matters, but none of these matter why they go on stage. I don't know none of these new niggas. I have no idea. Get them off my TV right now. gonna happen. Next

Jeff: 24:13

is upset because he ain't nominated. For what like yo, it was funny to me. How was he named after NAS and DMX. I never gotten to the man like like, how did you? Was he listening to like a DMX song and said, Yeah, I can relate to this. He heard DMX talking about all the bitches he fucked and calling them bitches. And he like yeah, I can relate to this. He was like, Ricky. Oh, yeah, I met him at the ice cream shop. Paul, Sean Darnell and Scott

Anthony: 24:46

I have no idea what I'm trying to it's like all these dudes gonna be like 3040 years old. So call themselves little like little, little, little little. Like there's only one person that should get that title and that's when because he's about five three at 40 years old, which is like understandable. He's literally little when the rest of y'all got started is little this little food

Jeff: 25:10

and Kim is even shorter than him so she could have it you saw her looking like the leprechaun she was in that bad boy concert or whatever they did. And she came out she looked at like the leprechaun you saw that? She looked she was dancing look at like the leprechaun from that movie, you know the horror movie. But yo, let's hear from another previous guest, astrophysicist ace denim. We had him on episode 23. And 24 was a two part series we had him on, titled Jesus walks. I'm actually hoping to have this gentleman back on soon. Let's hear from him.

Ace Denham: 25:43

Hey, my guy that TCP is Ace Thanks for having me on. And just wanted to call in and congratulate you guys on 100 episodes and keep doing what you're doing. Keep going strong. Sky's the limit for you guys look forward to being on again. See it?

Anthony: 26:04

Word up the brother from Germany, correct? The the brother from Germany. But you know what, and we promised because he has to give it to me that when you get on, we're gonna have a discussion about the book we just, like got caught up but But Jeff is pretty much finished with he's got to give it to me some time and I'm gonna read it and we're gonna have a discussion about it. It's going to grow like a galaxy brand. So we're gonna be good.

Jeff: 26:27

You're going back to the new music, another album and drop logic. He dropped the dope album called vinyl days. That's actually my favorite album that's out right now. Of all the new shows that came up because he spits bits, you know, I'm saying and almost forget that he's half black, because he's just white. And I mean, and

Anthony: 26:47

I was just asked me about this. And we had a discussion, right? Yeah. Because I'm

Jeff: 26:51

listening to the album. And I'm like, yo, something dawned on me that he wasn't saying the N word until I got to like the sixth song. Then I'm like, Oh, he finally said it. Because I've heard him say it before. And before I even knew he was half black, and I'm like, yo, why is his white boy saying the N word. And then I Googled him and I'm like, Oh, shit, okay. His dad is black, and his mom is white, or whatever it is. But in this album, I'm like, yo, I was listening to every song and I'm like, yo, he hasn't said the N word. Maybe somebody told him to stop saying it. And then like on the sixth or seventh song or whatever, he says it and I'm like, okay, he's back on his shit.

Anthony: 27:24

Not real. I mean, you said it once.

Jeff: 27:26

He said it was I think in the whole album, but he's dope, bro. This shit is dope. He has all the skits where like all the different actors or whatever, calling him in leaving them voicemails. He got Rapaport. Like it's just funny, but he spits he's lyrical miracle logic.

Anthony: 27:37

Logic was always an amazing rapper. It depends on how you consider it. Do you think he's a rapper or guy who puts words together very well. Think of the rapper. Some guys can rap but just that they just have this amazing ability to put like, you say trip saying quote, together

Jeff: 27:52

say Eminem. No,

Anthony: 27:54

no, no, no, I think no, I think I mean, it was a great rapper. A great rapper. Like is he is like you ever seen the Incredibles? Yes. I love that movie. You remember you know Jack? Jack? Like Jack Jack has all the powers. Yeah, that's like if you want him to tell his story. He could do that on the bar. He did if he could do that when the RAPs you know, whatever form and flow of idea of rap that you might want to have. He can do. Like he's Jack Jack can regard to rap like this. There's no no thing he cannot accomplish. So I'm not going to say like he just puts words together. Well, no guy can actually read. The thing with logic is that because he can rap the first person I'm gonna compare him to is Eminem, even though Eminem is purely white, and he's actually half black. He really stands on it. He just looks white. But that's the first thing people thought like, Oh, lots of new Eminem. Like not a lot. It's not a new Eminem logic. Is it new logic? Just because it looks like a white guy doesn't mean that he is a white guy. So it's never always gonna be focused on the music because when he drops it inward, you're like, why is this white guy saying that he has to kind of explain again, I'm not white, and part white. I have a parent, that's why they have a parent is black. Identify with both. I am biracial. And don't get to do that. Like I'm a white guy. I don't say the N word. But I'm a white guy. I can also wrap what I'm white, or what logic you guys got to kind of fight that duality of things. And just kind of missing the fact that he just amazingly skilled. And like I said, as an instance of an album and if you wanted to hear like somebody rapping just to happen for you, easily.

Jeff: 29:20

Speaking of Eminem, and this is going to go into my Is that racist? He dropped a couple of new songs. The first one I want to discuss is the one he did with cielo for the upcoming Elvis movie. soundtrack and it's called The King and I where he has a quote where he says I stole black music. Yeah, true. And he said that before you know what I'm saying. He said that before another song that he's always played on the fact that he's being compared to Elvis, like Elvis Elvis stole you know, rock from blacks. And Eminem is now in hip hop's, you know, stealing and making money off of black music. Okay, cool. Do you have a problem with him? Saying that?

Anthony: 30:02

No, I appreciate your honesty. Okay, seriously, we get the answer. If you'd been upfront about it,

Jeff: 30:09

and now he has a new song with Snoop Dogg. They had the little beef, they squashed it and now they're back together. He has a song with Snoop Dogg and even have a video which I like it's funny, it's animated. And on there, you know he's in the studio with with Snoop and they smoke some some weed. You know, Snoop is known for that. And they get fucked up till they start seeing shit. And then they both turn into gorillas, right. So Snoop is a obviously a black gorilla. Eminem turns into like a fucking ALBINO GORILLA. Right. And that's the first thing that caught my eye. I don't know why I take it there all the time. Now I'm looking for race, you know, look at race or I'm looking for races. shit all the time. Maybe because that's how, you know this OSI society has programmed in. I don't know. But the first thing that caught my eye when I saw this shit is I'm like, yo, why are they gorillas first of all? And second of all, why is Eminem a white gorilla? So you tell me, is that racism?

Anthony: 31:06

No, you got to step back and like white people, you gotta you gotta step back and like white people, the white person will shoot white people do. Why does he have to be this white? It has to be that like, it's okay. Like Obi Wan Kenobi, Disney plus, right? And is one of the characters on the show and her name is Riva. And people have like been very, like negative towards her, and sending her hateful stuff and everything else to that degree. And I'm always in the mind like, look, it's Star Wars. It's a galaxy far, far away. So what you're trying to tell me is that this fantasy that you solely fully believe in love, watched every movie, watched every cartoon, and so on and so forth, that you kind of feel that this place should be pretty much devoid of black people. I hate that notion. But it gets around a lot of people whenever they see a black character installed, or any minority in Star Wars saw the same thing with a John Boyega we play Finn. So we something always put these ideas behind it. If they're going to be guerrillas, look, for one, the premises that they're both high. You can be whatever you want to be when you high if you if they wanted to be unicorns, I didn't care if they if you want to be a black gorilla, and Eminem want to be a white gorilla. Now in the context of them being gorillas. What were they doing what they were gorillas that you remember? Or

Jeff: 32:34

just snooping? Wrapping smoking weed.

Anthony: 32:40

Was anyone eating a banana?

Jeff: 32:42

I don't I don't remember seeing any bananas. There you go. That's what does it that's the that's the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Anthony: 32:48

As it's something about when you see monkeys eating bananas that really hit that resist doing that shit name like it does hit net that is it racist or

Jeff: 32:59

they have a top hat and start dancing some shit. Yeah. Oh,

Anthony: 33:02

like was it the head Hello films in a hammock? Now, a little red hat in the red coat.

Jeff: 33:08

It was just doing a fashion and Snoop actually held his own Eminem. I think actually Snoop had a better verse.

Anthony: 33:14

Yes. I mean, store is stupid doing what? 30 plus years? Yeah. Yeah, man, like, he wanted to do this to get better with time. And that's funny thing about hip hop. I wish they would have more legacy acts because they have more guys like him. That will still be around, they still be rapping, like a lot of like, fall off. They do like shows and podcasts or little tours here and there. Like I respect him. I respect him. I respect guys. Like, like Wu Tang, I respect that years later, they're still like rapping. Because you know, they don't get the respect they deserve. Like, people be paying like 1000s of dollars to the Rolling Stones. Like we should have that and hip hop, like the people that we grew up in supporting them should be with support now. No disrespect to the new guy that mean he's still gonna do the thing. If they're interested enough to go watch him. You watch him. But we see like em and snapped together. Even now, you're still going to watch it you still like these two are amazing. Even if they are two cartoon monkeys in this video where they're high shit. Who cares? The fact that they still here doing this and still, you know, putting off the coat like that. I mean, it's it's still impressive. But is it racist? Fuck now, there's two idiots can Hydras like monkeys. I mean, the gorillas. They're very distinct. Gorillas a realist, right? Because Because gorillas a big strong massive things monkeys that will I shit like nah. Ah, don't do that right. Ah break shit. They kill other things like that's what's so fun about themselves. 19 racist system being from Snoop had to sign off on it. Censorship was racist, snooping. like, Nah, fuck that. No, take that you got it.

Jeff: 34:53

From the D to the LBC is the name of the shit. But real quick,

Anthony: 34:58

pop right upon title two. I think it's the first track when we go to Home thing

Jeff: 35:01

real quick. And I shouldn't I should have mentioned this before we were talking about sports. I felt like this is this is something important. The first gay executive in the NBA, from the Phoenix Suns. Okay, by the name of Ryan rush. He's only 19. He joined the suns as an intern in 2006. Now he's the team's VP of strategy and evaluation. He came out to the team this past winter. And he says I finally told myself you need to stop running away from the obvious and the obvious is that you're gay.

Anthony: 35:33

Okay. That the moment that I know that we've actually progressed as a society and progress as a culture is that we will no longer need to make those statements right like we're not doing I just yeah I just don't care about anybody's sexuality. If the guy is good at the job he's gonna jump on but oh, he's the first gay this like it's kind of like the black thing like he's the first black light right?

Jeff: 35:57

Like but we're still sticking by when something happens when when a head coach gets hired the first black coach, you know the first black this like yeah, we're gonna have a first woman NBA coach soon because we have an assistant already for the Spurs right? Former WNBA player so when she becomes a head coach, we're gonna be saying the first woman head coach and pro sports.

Anthony: 36:15

Yeah, Becky's gonna have to leave the WNBA head back to the NBA.

Jeff: 36:18

Yeah. And then coach and hats off right now. And the Yankees have a female manager in the minor league. So eventually, she's gonna be in the majors coaching somewhere, and she's gonna be the first black woman and for that, but let me tell me what you think about this stat. This is like a study that says homosexuality has been observed in over 1500 species. Yeah, homophobia has only found in one. Does that make homosexuality natural? And being homophobic, not natural? That's something to think about.

Anthony: 36:56

But not really, no. being homophobic is all unto itself. Irrational, like, I don't speak badly upon any gay person. I don't care. Because I don't judge you on who you have sex with. I don't judge you on your sexuality. I judge you on your character. I judge you on your ability to be compassionate. I judge as a human being not being judgmental, but that's how I base my understanding of my relationship with anybody through those three aspects. I don't care we have sex with because people always say like, everything's gay. They're trying to influence our children. They're trying to do this. They're trying to do that. Even though right now we're being stripped away from certain personal liberties people are still concerned about what people do in their own bedroom. I don't want to see it on TV. I don't want to hear it on this. I don't. Like that's just dismissive that unto itself. It's a part that's the problem. It's the part that we just because it's not something that totally agrees with us, we just can't leave it alone. My thing is, if it's not hurting anybody, don't care. But with this, like I said, it goes on the animal kingdom all the time. I guess, since we feel that we are supposed to be the top of evolutionary food chain. They were supposed to be above these kinds of things, but homosexuality still exists. So I'm not worried about the national unnatural part of it. That's just you know, Sexuality is fluid. It's on the scale. So it is if you want to be gay, and if you are you go right on. If your bar if you have any of the letters you have funny, I'm not saying that to be funny. I just don't feel like running them off. You guys keep adding more and more letters. And I'm like, yeah, I gotta break this now. For me. It is what it is. But does that make you a bad person? No. It is who you are, who you're going to be what you do behind closed doors what you do? And if that's your life, and that's your truth and one loop in it. You're hurt nobody. You will read on a hit. But K is gay man. Let's sit be gay. You get?

Jeff: 38:56

No I mean, I'm happy. Which is a definition of gay.

Anthony: 39:01

Yeah, the thing is if he had he had put me like, well, hold on, man. I'm happy, bro. I'm happy. Gay like, No, I'm happy. Like, where are you? Like if you're like, Dude, you know, like, Dude, you have to be married to a woman good for you. Good. If someone else was married to a woman good for them long they happy I just don't give a shit.

Jeff: 39:23

But yo, shout out to Manny faces. We had him on episode 71 moving the culture forward. And let's take a quick break. When we come back. I want to talk about this Roe versus Wade. That's been overturned. And what does this mean for abortion laws? And most importantly, what does this mean for women rights?

Manny Faces: 39:46

Hey, peace and love everyone as you may have many faces. And when I'm not at public speaking events, or hosting my podcast, hip hop can save America I'm checking out the culture with Jeff 100 episodes is a big deal. And I was honored and privileged to be a guest on one of those episodes. You know, there's a lot of people I hate doing these kinds of shows. But when you go for 100 episodes, it definitely onto something. It's smart discussion, it's of for and by the culture. And I just wanted to salute to everybody involved. Congratulations and I look forward to coming back and being a guest again.

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Sinba: 42:21

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Jeff: 43:02

We appreciate you for that that was our man symbol aka sea bass. We had him on episode 20 children's story. But now let's get into the real nitty gritty, because I want to talk about this subject. Because recently, the abortion access across the US now depends on state laws after Supreme Court overturned the 1973 decision that established constitutional right to an abortion. So now we are going to be accompanied by resident guest, Mikey, she and his lovely wife Corinne. Because and I told her, I told her about this. Besides my wife, I haven't spoken about this with any females, everybody that has been passionate about this subject, everybody that I've had this conversation with, from friends, to relatives to co workers have all been males. And it dawned on me like yo, we can't speak for women, right? We shouldn't speak for women. I don't think men have the right to speak for women in certain cases in this type of situation. So I wanted to hear from a female perspective. And who better than somebody who's not only about to have a child, but who's been trying to have a child for a while. And welcome to the show, guys.

Mikey: 44:28

Hello, hello. Hello.

Rinne: 44:30

Good to be back.

Mikey: 44:31

Yeah, so we were we're both doing our 100th episode as well.

Jeff: 44:36

Oh, yes, coincidentally, congratulate same

Mikey: 44:38

time. We've been at it for longer, you guys have just been more consistent and actually putting out a show every week. So you guys made it to 100 fast. Yes, we have a show called Mikey, Mikey and rent eat in. And we've been talking, we talked about food. But we've also been, you know, talking about our pregnancy journey. And, you know, we'll get more into this as we as we talk. But you know, we've had a lot of mishaps in in the pregnancies that we've previously that Renee has previously had. And you know, this this directly affects obviously all women but but especially us. So glad to have you on the show. And check it.

Rinne: 45:18

Yeah, I appreciate you wanting a female perspective, too, because I think it's it is really important to hopefully convey the gravity of what the situation is on women's bodies. So thank you. For one as I was

Jeff: 45:34

reading a USA Today article that was saying that that is not just abortions. You know, fertility services like IVF could be affected can be effectively outlawed in states that legislatively declared that life begins at conception. And you hear both sides from women. Yeah. So they mean to cut you off, but you hear the side, there's a lot of women that can't you know, that tried to have kids and can't. And you hear them say, you know, like, oh, you know, I've been trying to have a kid, I want to have a kid and I can't, and you have women just aborting them. But then you have other women like, Yo, you can't tell me what to do with my body. You know what I'm saying? And I agree with that. And I don't want to speak for my wife, but I know that she's, she's against abortion. But she's also pro choice, if that makes sense. Like she personally wouldn't have it herself. Like she doesn't believe in having, but she also doesn't believe in telling other women what to do with their bodies. So the floor is yours. Yeah,

Rinne: 46:30

it's, well, there's a couple of things that I thought of so the, you know, Roe v. Wade was really the, you know, this sort of precedent for privacy, right. That's really how it got passed. And so when you think about private medical decision making, and the kind of ripple effect that that can have, you know, you spoke to IVF, and reproductive assistance, which Mikey and I have used, and it's hopefully going to bring a child earthside for us. And having a child would not having a biological child would not have been possible for us otherwise. And so it's a really big deal. And Clarence Thomas, already has whispers of, of taking a look at gay marriage next, which is, you know, ultimately the most sacred admin private Union, and the government has no biz op in there, trying to dismantle that. So you know, I think it's, it's interesting because because Mikey and I have have been on sort of the, the both sides of this right, so not only have we done IVF, and access to reproductive assistance, I also chose to, to terminate a pregnancy, which was pretty far along it was it 22 weeks. And, you know, we were able to make that decision in our state of Oregon, because we have access to that sort of medical care. And I will say this was a very much wanted pregnancy, this was the product of IVF. It was our first embryo transfer, it was a successful pregnancy until it, we found out it was not. So on a 20 week ultrasound, we found out that our girl had a really rare sort of abnormality, an amniotic band syndrome that had attached to her head. And so what this essentially means is that she was like, quote, unquote, doing okay, while in my womb, right, limbs were moving heart was beating, but as if she did make it earthside if I, if I, you know, chose to birth her, she would, she would have died. And it's a matter of seconds, it's a matter of minutes. And so that to us, when we got that information, it was, as you can imagine, really devastating. But it also it almost didn't feel like a decision, right. So we had three options, we could terminate where we were at, we could terminate the pregnancy, we could induce labor, then at 22 weeks, or I could carry her to term and have the birth, and, you know, watch our child die. And so, you know, luckily, we are in a partnership where we're both really aligned with with, you know, our beliefs and it felt like, while it was agonizing, in a way, because it felt like, God, we wanted this kid so bad. There was also such clarity in not having that sort of suffering for ourselves and for our baby.

Mikey: 50:01

And it was also easy, we talked about, you know, we were it was easy to kind of go down these paths of kind of wishful thinking, like, you know, maybe our baby will be the one in a million, you know, her brain was growing outside of her skull. So it was like something that could happen while she was while she was inside of Korean but once she once she came outside, she would have died and her life short is it would have been would have been all pain, like it would have been just pure pain. And so it's wild for me to think about that, you know, that decision in a lot of places has been 100% taken away from from the mother and taken away from any sort of, kind of doctor sort of, you know, decision making portfolio, and the only options would be just pain like, you know, we're going to make you suffer for this much longer. And it's just another place where I feel like the removal or the you know, just the way that this has happened with the overturning of roe is, it's just it's not about the mother, it's really not about the baby, either. It's about controlling women's choices and restricting their choices. So, you know, I say I don't say, pro life, I say anti choice, you know, this is an anti choice decision.

Rinne: 51:02

Yeah. And it's, you know, we had, if you think about Mikey that day, the incredible medical care that we had, right, and just the the swiftness with which doctors came into the room explained what was happening, sort of comforted us to the level that they could, and then provided our options. And it it's, yeah, this was medical care, right, is what this was. And it's also a very, very private medical decision that we were making, we chose to make it public by talking about it, right, because I don't think that people often hear these stories. But at the end of the day, this was something that was really decided between a partnership and between our care providers. And it was absolutely 100% the best decision for me for my health for my mental health and same for for, I mean,

Jeff: 51:56

you guys live in. And also, I was gonna say you guys live in a state that is obviously very liberal, very progressive. Yeah. But as of right now, there's 26 states that are expected to ban or severely restrict abortion rights. And you can imagine which states those are, you know, the Texas is the Florida the Georgia is a lot of the red states. I'm saying, Sure, like of Northern New York, New Jersey, you know, they've been good at I don't want to say good or bad about it. But they, you know, they they're giving you the choice, you know, I mean, they're not taking your choices away. But this is what President Obama said. When it was first announced, he said today, the Supreme Court not only reversed nearly 50 years of precedent, it relegated the most intensely personal decision someone can make to the whims of politicians, and ideologues attacking the essential freedoms of millions of Americans across the country. States have already passed bills restricting choice. Yeah.

Rinne: 52:50

So well said. Well, and it's not only, you know, our story is really unique. I think it's this doesn't happen all that frequently. And I, you know, I think that what sometimes people that are anti choice like to sort of glom on to is this idea of these, like late term abortions that are happening, right, it's like, the, the, you know, fetus is almost viable, right. And so, so we conjure up these images of what an abortion what a pregnancy termination looks like. And in fact, there's, you know, 92%, according to the Center for Disease Control, 92% of abortions happen before 15 weeks, right. So there's, you know, this idea that, like, I don't know, people are all of a sudden deciding, I don't want to get pregnant. And this is like going to be my really late term birth control is nonsense, but it's

Mikey: 53:50

easy for them also, to find these situations, you hear all these stories of them finding, you know, pictures of, you know, like, you know, almost fully developed fetuses. And what I don't think they talk about is I think it's a lot of people put it in this perspective, that it's like, this person chose to do this. And it was like, Haha, I'm just gonna end it this late, no problem, probably something really fucking sad happened. Like, in a lot of those cases, it was an end of fatal injury that that the baby had, it was something that was happening that would have might have endangered the life of the mother or both of them. And so I think, you know, finding these things, and putting them on posters and going out into picket, you know, picketing in front of Planned Parenthood, it's just a very unwanted and I think, stupid way of going about something that is a nuanced and personal argument and decision. Very frustrating. Yeah. And

Jeff: 54:38

like, what I like when I go on, I go on Facebook, and I see that Mikey posts, and he posts and the lying religious idiots when again, all right.

Mikey: 54:51

And hold on I just before before I even go further with it, because I know what you're gonna you're gonna talk about the guy who responded, but the one who I was specifically talking about was the two newest Supreme Court nominees, that during their confirmation processes, they said that they were going to respect precedent, and they said that they were going to allow law that settled law to stay settled, not be re litigated. And they're fucking lying through their teeth. And both of them are religious ideologues, and got into this lifetime appointment, lied their way into a lifetime appointment. And now they're going to dismantle a lot of the laws we've been living with happily and safely. One of the things I just want to say about about abortion, like, you know, to re litigate this there needs there usually needs to be something that's changed, like we found you know, there's been a bunch of advances in science and medicine or something like that. Abortion is now it's it's more dangerous to be pregnant than it is to have an abortion in our country right now. So it's the safest it's ever been to have an abortion. And so I don't know the way the way that they even that It's so the line fucking idiots. I hate it. Sorry, Jeff didn't mean interrupt.

Jeff: 55:52

I mean, as far back as I can remember, they always talked about the separation of religion and state correct or, you know, a church or state even when they made us do the national anthem, Church State, even when they would make us do the Pledge of Allegiance in school. I always questioned it, you know, indivisible under God and everything was God. Sure. Okay. Well, we're not really separating the two. But now we're letting religious. I don't know what the word is. zealots or you know,

Mikey: 56:18

ideologues is the one that I use. I mean, so yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Jeff: 56:23

So we're gonna let them run shit now you know what I mean? Sure. So and then this Christopher guy comments on your post? So the line religion what do you want to know he goes, so the line religious idiots wants to make abortion something people can vote on a state level. The only idiot lie here is your post and your lack of knowledge of constitutional law. Oh,

Mikey: 56:50

yeah, that's my cousin. And, and I also like that, that he came to the table with like, the dig about me not being a constitutional law expert. Of course, I'm not a constitutional law expert, I don't give a fuck about the Constitution. In this situation, I care about the human cost of all of this, right. Like, I think the legalese and the kind of the lawyer speak that happens around a lot of these decisions, is just a bullshit way of hiding the fact that you, you're embarrassed to say what you actually believe. And, you know, I just know that the main route, or the main cause of this is, or the main result of this is going to be, you know, pregnancies that are ended, abortions that are sought, that, um, happened in a way that's really unsafe to the life of the mother and the baby, and then we're gonna see a lot of injuries, deaths and, and wild shit that are going to happen because of this, because this isn't banning abortions, it's banning safe abortions,

Jeff: 57:40

we're gonna also see a lot of, yeah, and I think also, I'm sorry, I was gonna say, we're gonna see a lot of kids being dropped off at the church, or at the fire station, or trash can, unfortunately, you know, we're gonna see a lot of, you know, cases of orphans, and adoptions now and kids growing up without a family. And then I also read, too, that they're going to try to ban or outlaw you trying to go to if you live in one of the states where it's banned, going to a different state to get an abortion, they're going to try you for murder. And some of these states. I'm saying, that's crazy to me.

Rinne: 58:14

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it's also important to point out that this really disproportionately affects people that have a lower economic status, right? So if, if you have access to money, where you can hop on a plane and get to California, which is going to be this, you know, sort of Safe Haven State. And, and then, you know, pay for an abortion. I mean, all of that is inaccessible to many, many people. And so, you know, it's there's a, there's a disproportionate effect here, that's also going to happen. And I don't know, I don't know if this does outrage you.

Mikey: 59:01

And it's every level to it's between restricting abortion, and then we also don't have comprehensive sex education in schools. They're going to try to ban birth control. I mean, it's just, we don't have universal health care. We don't

Rinne: 59:14

have universal health. You can't say we don't have universal pre K, we don't have paid medical family.

Jeff: 59:23

And this is all religious ideology. Correct. Like, okay, sure. What about enforcing or forcing a male to get a vasectomy? You know, what I'm saying? There'll be a fucking Civil War row. On your post, I went ahead, and I went ahead and yeah, I mean, this has been in the works. I went ahead and commented on your post, I said something about, you know, like, nothing causes more separation, division wars, hatred and deaths more than religion in this country. Yeah. And we're gonna allow religious ideologies to run the country now. Right. Nobody responded to that. And they said, you know, they asked me to explain, but I didn't want to go back and forth with anything. So I stopped, you know, I stopped responding.

Mikey: 1:00:06

Yeah. When it's, you know, and this is, I mean, we've always been run by religion on some level, one level or another. I mean, our founding fathers tried to protect us from it, but it's, you know, it's insidious. I mean, it's something that it's, you know, I think there's a lot of levels of it, right. Because I mean, I think it's there's there's an there's an ultimate power that I think a lot of people that are religious believe that they have, and therefore rising to a position of power in politics, gives them the biggest megaphone that they can possibly get for their belief system and, and separation of church and state doesn't exist. It's bullshit. It's just it's a wall that's been pulled over our eyes forever. And, you know, in the idea that we're even I grew up in a religion City. And you know, it leaked into every part of my childhood. And it's why it's why I'm so violently against religion at this point in my life.

Jeff: 1:00:56

And if you don't if you allow me to read one more comment from your post that I liked was from individual by the name of Tiffany Sedgwick. Oh, yeah. And she said interesting that they don't and interesting that they don't want to pass any gun legislation that could have prevented the deaths of at least 19 children who were already here yet they are going to force women to have a child under any circumstance yet not provide any services for that child to have any success, not to mention put many women's lives in danger, but yet many of them claim to be pro life. Like she hit it into Yeah,

Mikey: 1:01:28

and yeah, and if you're gonna say that the people on the side the side of things aren't pro anything that pro fetus, they're pro, you know, from conception to birth, and then the second you're born, you're not going to get any health care. We're going to try to lock you up. We're going to shoot you we're going to you know, all the different things it's they're not pro life once it once it's in the world.

Jeff: 1:01:46

I don't know. I'm gonna and talk.

Mikey: 1:01:48

Yes, please. Me. Hi, Anthony. Yes, you.

Anthony: 1:02:00

Like them like now let's make 45. Quick Hold on. I mean,

Jeff: 1:02:08

because when you saw that comment from that individual you wanted to fight?

Anthony: 1:02:12

I mean, because it because, okay, let me think about this. Clearly, we, as this or not as us, for him speaking as in the country, we have this amazing ability to try to deal with a symptom, but not the disease. The shooting happens in Texas. And the logical thing is not to stop people from owning assault rifles, but restrict to make it harder, I mean, do something. And they'll put in the law and know, kind of glaze over, but they're not dealing with certain underlying conditions, the mental health aspect, not necessarily doing more background checks, but like, what is it about the society that is so ill, that someone thinking that if I walk into a school with an assault rifle, and murder people and children seems like a rational idea, like the guy in Buffalo, like, I mean, you're gonna try to plead whatever he's going to plead, but like you wrote a manifesto, you made it very clear what you were going to do. That wasn't irrational thought You thought about it very clearly. The thing with this, with the overturning of Roe versus Wade is, again, you're, you're dealing with the symptom, you're not coming up with any kind of functional support system behind it. I don't agree with this decision at all. So let me make that clear, first of all, but if you're doing this, are you are you going to do anything towards domestic violence? Like, are you going to do anything about you know, incest, rape, deeper societal issues that kind of go along with it, I'm firmly pro choice. Never was a pro life person. Again. I think people get confused. Like, if you are pro choice, that means you're anti abortion, not true, not for me. It's more, I believe in the autonomy of a human being. If it's a choice or decision that you wish to make for yourself, for the sake of your own safety in the sake of your own survival. And if that's what you have to do, that is what you have to do. Now, the general thinking of some lesser beings like, well was because they are responsive to women, and they want to have kids and they want to put men on child support and things of that nature. For one is dismissive, Intuit selfish, I mean, it's a dual process. They don't, you know, no self spawn and self terms, like you're dealing with this too, like they're not. So it's more like, you can't make this happened and have this reaction and not expect society to lash out against it. And it makes it like I said, the kind of cake would start from that post that I put up in that cousin commented on, like, you see a very clear delineation of the way that people are thinking about it. I guess, let's see the reason why I want to punch the guy in the face and not because of what he said, I'm like, You're not like this doesn't affect you. Like you're like It's like his response itself. Even if it's like religious based all into his own. You're only seeing it in the perspective of a man and that scene in the perspective of a human like how this hurts women. And like I say, it's not just an abortion thing. There are just certain like, clinical and physical things that Women differ from men, that they have to have some type of specialization. And now this law is kind of like closing that loophole and pulling those ways well, and so we're dealing in a way that it's frustrating to have something that was so fought for to be turned over so quickly. And the other thing really is that, you know, it has a very dangerous effect on society. And when you kind of just pull yourself like back from it, and let me take a look at it. Like, this doesn't make sense to you, what you're trying to do is treat dominion over somebody else. Because in some states, if like, even a no, it's a crime of sexual assault, if you're pregnant, that means you have to keep it. Like could that's the way it is now. Like, they're like, that was before Roe vs. Wade, like, that was just kind of a thing. Now, like, there's no other way around, like you're not doing anything to help uplift or change anything about anyone's success. You're creating a very dangerous precedent. Oh, for

Mikey: 1:06:48

sure. I mean, they're running and it's, uh, you know, and then you look at states like Oklahoma, where they're, you know, they're, they passed a law that was, you know, nothing after zero weeks, nothing after, after conception. And then, you know, there's also been cases, you know, six months ago or so a woman had a miscarriage, and she was charged with murder, a miscarriage, you know, and it's like, this is it's just a fundamental, massive misunderstanding of what it means to be a woman what it means to have, you know, to be pregnant. And then I also just think, you know, doing this again, like, you know, cutting into access to abortion, but then also not supporting comprehensive sex education or birth control, you're cutting, there's no road for anybody there. I don't know, if they're just expecting that people are going to not have sex. That's just not fucking possible. This is a human element conversation. And we need to, you know, we need to be able to help people understanding that, you know, people are gonna have sex, people are gonna get pregnant, and they just want people to, you know, it's the ultimate slut shaming, it's really wanting people to suffer for what they think is a sin. And so for that, I just think it's such bullshit. I'll say it like the shark tank for that. I'm out. Fucking out.

Jeff: 1:07:56

Well said. And I felt like we just had to touch on this, you know, there was like, I mean, obviously, we were discussing it all week through tat and calling each other like I said, I just wanted to get a female perspective. You don't I mean, a lot of topics. Like, we had an episode we were talking about the transgender athletes, where should they be allowed to compete with, you know, for women or whatever. And I couldn't get a transgender to come on the show. They just wouldn't talk talk about it, they wouldn't touch the subject. So I'm like, yo, if you don't want to talk about the top of the topic, how the fuck are we supposed to fucking talk about it? You know what I'm saying? Or learn from it or get to the bottom of the ship. So but this to be clear, so all of us here are pro choice. Is that correct?

Rinne: 1:08:41

I think, yeah, I think you can put me pretty, pretty firm. Category

Mikey: 1:08:45

made the choice.

Anthony: 1:08:48

Madhavi, like, we were like, 40 plus weeks long, like, yeah, no.

Mikey: 1:08:54

I am in seminary. Becoming a priest. Yeah. seminary school.

Jeff: 1:09:01

Do you have any doubt? I mean, will you meet me and add? Well, usually more and more me than and we usually don't tip our hat, you know, our hand about, you know, political views and stuff. Like we just come on here and say, well, we don't like what we'd like. But

Mikey: 1:09:14

yeah, you know, this goes beyond politics. Yeah, this is a this is a human conversation, right? This? Yeah. And it's where, you know, we have friends who have worked as a couple and like, you know, one of them is like, very conservative ones, and very liberal. And I never would have understood, and they're like, well, we just don't talk politics. And I'm like, what, what the fuck are you talking about politics are life like, what happens if your kid is gay and they want to get married? What happens if you know there's an abortion that comes up? What if the what happens if there's, I mean, there's just certain things gun rights, all these things like, these are politics, our life politics are human. And so I just don't understand that people don't talk about it. And so we're very upfront about the way that we feel. And it's, you know, this is just one of the things that I want to say before we before we're done, it's just that I'm always jealous of conservatives and Republicans because when something doesn't go their way, they get to work and they fucking get to it. Stack lower courts, they gerrymander, they do all the things they can do to make sure that they're gonna win next time. liberals don't do that. And I just want to say like, this is the fucking rallying call like this is a moment in time and like, like answer to this is a slippery slope, because we're talking about once they start to do this, then they could dismantle they could they could take away same sex marriage, they could take away birth control, they could take away a whole fleet of other things. And this is the time for us to really stand up, donate money, donate time run for office, if you can, whatever you need to do in your area to like, say that this is not okay. And we're gonna fucking put our foot down about this. It has to happen.

Jeff: 1:10:39

Yeah, I want to thank you guys for coming on and the dynamic duo of Mikey and Rin stay in.

Mikey: 1:10:46

We'll make an Eden It used to be used to usually make your own stay. And that was what it was about kind of infertility in our pregnancy journey but like maybe, whatever, five months ago, six months ago, it's now making rent eat in Yeah.

Jeff: 1:11:01

Well, for Well, for the sake of this conversation, it's stay in

Mikey: 1:11:05

there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's uh, so yeah, Mikey and Ren eat in it's on all the podcasts and platforms, Mikey and rin.com. So it's mi ke yandrinne.com

Anthony: 1:11:19

can ask that question before you go. Like, once you have the kid No, like, are you gonna have like an after dark podcast, like making rent eat out like this. Because apparently, like they're going to end the board's gonna be a lot of kids going on, like, people need to know, like, fix your responsibility, so you can't get

Mikey: 1:11:36

pregnant and kind of Lingus. So, yeah, we've I mean, one of the main one of the main reasons for making money then was you know, it's making rent eat in

Anthony: 1:11:43

but, but if you take your stuff and put it on your tongue and kind of it's possible,

Mikey: 1:11:48

sure, you got to be real particular about it. You could like do the straw with your tongue.

Anthony: 1:11:54

All things are possible to

Mikey: 1:11:58

watch it.

Jeff: 1:11:59

You gotta be you gotta be fiscally and sexually responsible.

Rinne: 1:12:04

Yeah.

Jeff: 1:12:06

Yeah. Yo, congrats on your 100 There you go. You guys do

Rinne: 1:12:13

congrats on yours. Last Word. You know, if you if if any of your listeners are sort of interested in getting involved. You know, there's obviously Planned Parenthood I think is the one that a lot of us think of. There's also an organization or a campaign from that's run by the abortion care network called keep our clinics. That's another good spot to go. There's also the National Network of abortion funds. So just kind of places there's also the Center for Reproductive rights. There's just lots of places to go because I know that a lot of people right now are feeling like what

Mikey: 1:12:56

also abortion finder.org So if you need an abortion, a good place to find a place near you can get an abortion.

Rinne: 1:13:03

Yes. Yeah, that's really good as well. So those are all good resources for kind of

Jeff: 1:13:08

what's next, Angela Davis said walls turned sideways are bridges. that was episode 100 of The Culture

Angel: 1:13:17

Happy 100th episode. Go to theculture.one peace