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Nov. 28, 2022

Respect The Ones Before You

Respect The Ones Before You

On the wake of Jason David Frank's apparent suicide, we discuss why mental health has been stigmatized within the culture. Why is Hip Hop the only genre where the new breed doesn't respect the ones that came before them? Also, Tony Yayo is trying to steal from The Culture. With special guest Mikey-She.

Topics Discussed:

  • The Green Ranger Jason David Frank
  • Anthony complains about Thanksgiving
  • Dealing with depression
  • Suicide prevention
  • 21 Savage says Nas is "not relevant"
  • Hip Hop as the youngest genre, has the most disrespect among the young
  • Mikey says it's because Hip Hop is a clout-based genre
  • Ending the "Nas picks bad beats" argument

Referenced Links:
Suicide Prevention - Home | AFSP

Nas Appears to Respond After 21 Savage Calls Him 'Not Relevant' - Rap-Up

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Transcript
Jeff:

Yo yo yo yo we live in direct from the trouble scene you bout to get hit with the double team, or in this case the triple team. We got a special guest today. Finally, haven't seen this man in such a long time. Resident guest resident Patreon Friends of the show and a new father new baby daddy. Mikey she was good homie.

Mikey:

Hello Hello. I'm here from the breast milk and poopy diaper capital of the world. Portland Oregon. How are ya?

Jeff:

Jeff was good at

Anthony:

yah. Yah yah, yah, yah, yah, I'm here should that take that? Take that I was wondering? Like, alright, okay, now are we going to get the Thanksgiving because I have I have some shit that popped in my brain. Let's do it.

Jeff:

What is Thanksgiving? So we have to say Happy Thanksgiving.

Anthony:

Do you do? You do I think it's fair. I think you say Happy Thanksgiving formals

Jeff:

let's give a shout out to our Patreon but only to those I've actually updated your payment methods. Somebody that's set to expire. Because you're not getting any perks. And again, early access they probably wonder like Dan with my early access to my episode. like nah,

Mikey:

I like the I like the passive aggressive fade away it's like I'm not going to quit supporting you but I am just not going to update my credit card.

Anthony:

Facts card on file. I can't use that one card it's okay. Still, Apparently so.

Jeff:

But what you're gonna say and about the standards giving shit cuz I got some shit to get into man.

Anthony:

It's the most overrated holiday of the mall. No, I'm aligned second to Valentine's Days most favorite holiday the mall

Mikey:

ease looks like that.

Anthony:

Easily I made the making quick okay,

Jeff:

because it's rooted in evil and racism is

Anthony:

not even that I'll put it to you like this. I'm certain you fellas enjoy eating Correct. Correct. Like a good meal grits

Mikey:

indeed it's my idea for a living correct now

Anthony:

name me any month at an entire year you're sitting there either by yourself which family which your significant other whatever like you know what man at the show go for 20 pounds a turkey let's do it. No other fucking time like it's it's a scam by big turkey that when you travel everywhere, like why don't just have chicken chicken superior to Turkey like you can eat like, like what's like five or six little small chickens cut them up and you're easily done. You get as big as Turkey that nobody wants. If you don't make it right to dry shit. You gotta drown it in gravy and also the accoutrements go on top for one fucking daddy or one. One single day. You don't have any of that. You don't have a Chris Christmas. Big Ass gathered. Nine. You want to roast? for July? No one's eight let's put a turkey on the grill. No one ever says it's ribs hamburger is that it's the one fucking time it's the meal that no one ever really wants to and everything else that goes along with the turkey. Sure because if if Turkey itself,

Mikey:

um with that. I love I do love sliced Turkey. I will say on the sandwich. That's the I'm a turkey boy in that world, but like, chicken chicken kicks the dick out of Turkey on any day all day. Chicken sandwich bread.

Anthony:

Right? Right one of the sandwich not like as just not there. Fuck, right? See? Oh, I'm gonna make that thought. We're only

Mikey:

we're a ham house. Like we do a ham fucka turkey.

Anthony:

You go. Go back to a regular scheduled program. There you go. So now we can get into the shed.

Jeff:

A couple of topics I want to get into I want to you know, discuss. I want to discuss why there's so much disrespect and hip hop, more so than any other genre. But first, let's give a rest in peace to my man to Green Ranger yo, Jason Frank, who apparently died of suicide recently, a couple of days ago. Actually, it was hard because he was online posting videos like motivation. And he was amped up about this new movie that's coming out, which is like a rip off of his power ranger movie. The white dragon I think it was called or something like that. Like he lived that whole power ranger shit. Like that was his whole life. You

Anthony:

know, I mean, but what was the number one issue?

Jeff:

Right on to VR troopers. I remember as it just comes to show that you never know who could be suffering from mental illness or depression or you know, whatever it may be. Because the day before he died, he posted a video. You know, he was excited about his new movie and you know, he's gonna make an appearance at this and that plays you know, autograph signings and he you know, he kept keeping his fans up to date on what he was doing and there was no signs of nothing. But they said he was going through with it. was he saying he might have been depressed? I don't know. Apparently he committed suicide. We still have specifics. But this should have said, I just wanted to mention it. Because I think, you know, like, mental health, mental health, we're now you know, and me and I have talked about this before, like, I think in our culture, we don't take that too seriously. Like you either. Are you a man, like, stop being a pussy? You know, I mean, like, man up, even if you're, you know, you're dying slowly inside, you know, we, that wasn't, that's just the way we was brought up. That's just what the culture you know, I mean, yeah, was accustomed to. So I don't know, we got to feel like we got to take this shit more serious.

Mikey:

When I just I don't know, if you guys have been affected by suicide, I mean, I've had a decent amount of friends commit suicide, and a lot of people in my in my orbit. And, you know, a lot of it is I mean, depression is I've been depressed, I've been seriously depressed. And, and on the outside, I don't think anybody would have really known that. It's like, especially when you're like an extroverted person, like he was, like, a lot of people like Anthony Bourdain, like I, there was a person in my kind of Chef circle that committed suicide recently. And it's, and you couldn't see it to look at them. But you know, one of the things about being depressed and going through kind of what I did a couple of years ago is like, I it made me really understand that, like, you can't understand what anybody is going through at any given moment, right? It's made me even like feel for people, like I'm in traffic, and like someone in front of me, like the light turns green, and they don't go like, I don't know what that person is going through. They might be texting, but they also might like have just lost like their partner or their father or something. Or they might be having like, the worst day of their lives, and they're like, literally hanging on by a thread. And so I've just been kind of like treating people like whenever I can just like being as caring and compassionate to people whenever I can, because you just like, I don't know, you just you don't know what people are going through. And they can also like, fake it till they make it right. They can be as like, you know, this happy, bubbly, outgoing person on the outside and then go home and commit suicide. Like, it's just, it's a Yeah, we live in a in a world that doesn't, that doesn't support people that are depressed or quiet or kind of withdrawn, like, we want people to be happy, bubbly all the time, or we're like, we don't know what to do with you. So

Anthony:

it's hard being a strong one. It is. What do you mean? Like, like, when it comes down to like mental health and suicide. Like for me, it's hard to beat and stronger. And what I mean by that is like, to the people I care about, always try to make sure you know, they're doing the best they can. When it goes into some, they always turn to Me, things like that. So like, being the strong one. And then like not having the ability to have the ways to turn it over to someone else. Like, I had a conversation with a friend of mine a couple weeks ago, taught my life like it would troubled mental health and everything else I did. And I told him, I said, there, I'm thinking about it now. So there's never been a point that I can remember. In my entire life. Where was someone's asked me? Are you okay? And I said, No, even when I know, I wasn't, even I know, I was in a dark place. I know, I was somewhere deep inside there. I just couldn't do it. Because I have to be the strong one always had to kind of take on that that role and responsibility. Like to get everyone to get y'all into the light. It's more than anything else. So it's, it's tax when you hear about suicide, they always think like, the person didn't show signs, they didn't do this. They, they never do. Because you know why they're the front one. They're the one that has to bear all this things that they go through the pain, the depression, the the loss of family members, divorce, career, everything, and try to bear it and say, I'll smile, I'll be okay, everything will be fine. I gotta get through it. But they don't see them when they sit in the dark room and nothing's on. And they have nothing but maybe music blessing and like a bottle of Jack, you don't see that when they're just driving down the road. Like I can just turn his car to the whole nother direction just killed myself. You don't see that. Because I can say it's hard being thrown, it really is. So when something like this happens, and when it goes through this kind of situation, like I feel for because I know that that choice that you make is the most difficult choice that you have to make in your entire life. Because, you know, once you do that there's no coming back from you can't say like, I shouldn't have done that. Or I'm sorry, I should have spoke to somebody once you do it. It's a firm. It's Affirmative, that I no longer want to live this life and everyone else has to pick up the pieces. But it's kind of ironic, because you've always been from for them. Now they gotta find a way to be strong for you, and you're not here. So it's interesting. It's sad that it happened to him. And it happens all the time, especially now around the holidays. Like a lot of people without family and things like that, and just the loneliness and so on so forth and seeing all the joy and the compassion and the love and everything else of that thing. You're not receiving it. It gets tough, but like I said, if you have your strong friends look out for them, because like I said they they're not immune. They're hurting to them. But like, this is a sad tragedy to happen. Hopefully, you know, people always remember and look around, like, get in touch with the suicide hotline. If he in hold too deep for anybody to fall out, there are professionals here to help you. You ain't got to go through this alone.

Mikey:

Yeah. Yeah. And I say, being someone who I went through that, like, I was definitely on a, I was teetering, you know, like, we had lost a couple babies, we just were going through like a really hard time in our lives. And I, you know, and I, I had never been someone who'd been depressed or been depressive really before that. And I just, and it was the kind of thing where, you know, it like depression is such an interesting thing. Because it's like, it's not, it's not like active, it's, it's this feeling of, it's not like, I don't want to get up, it's like, I can't get up, like, I have this feeling like I had this, like, lead weight on me, like, every morning when I would get up. And I'd be like, I literally, physically almost can't move myself out of bed. And you know, what I ended up, I ended up talking about it a lot. And I ended up getting on antidepressants. And I, you know, took me a couple, like three or four different medications to get on one that I felt like I could really work with. And I stayed on them for a fairly short amount of time, like three months or something. But it was just the bridge that I needed to kind of like, reset the chemistry in my brain. And since then, I haven't I haven't dipped back into that at all. But it was like I very much so could have like not said anything, or just fake it till I made it. And, and I don't know where I would have gone from there. But like the I just needed the chemical reset, and also the I needed to just put it out into the world. And then you know, I got support that I didn't even know was like, right there. And yeah, but anyways, it's just a it's a really lonely place to be.

Jeff:

But if you have kids, isn't that like the ultimate selfishness, like the ultimate sign of selfishness if you got a family members that you're leaving behind? Yeah, kids, you know what I'm saying?

Mikey:

I mean, it's really hard. But it's like this is I mean, don't imagine the how, how bad things would have to be for someone who has children and has, you know, a family, that they felt like this was the only the only option for them. I mean, you know, it's I always have a hard time when people are like, really mad at someone who commits suicide, or they think that it's really selfish, because it's like, it's true, but like, just think about the whirlwind of like, something that they felt like they could not conquer and could not be like, there was a slight, like, such a dark place. And you can't see anything beyond that, you know, of course, he had like four kids or something, right? Yeah, yeah, I saw, I saw that. I mean, it's, of course, it's, like devastating and so terrible, but it's like, I don't know, this is the hard part about mental illness and about depression is that it's like, if you're outside of it, it's so hard to see that, like, you know, well, why wasn't he thinking about them? Why wasn't he thinking about other people? And it's like, it almost like that, that ability is like gone, the chemistry in your brain has like, built these walls, you know, so that you almost can't even think there. You can't get past your, your own yourself, right.

Anthony:

Yeah, it's, um, this might sound ironic. But suicide is. Forgive me for saying this. Suicide is maybe like the ultimate act of self care, where you really don't care about anything else, except yourself in this one moment. Like you do things for yourself in regards to self care. But eventually, you have to return back to that reality that was causing so much stress, to get more self care around and around that goes with this. The one and only selfish check, you can do. So one. And it takes a lot to do that. And, like, it's not an easy choice, it really isn't. Sure. Suicide in of itself, it's hard. Because the thing is, people who do it, like I know a ton of people who have suicidal ideation, they talk about it, they think about it, but I know they're never going to do it. It's acquire ones that do so because once you do it, it's a firm act. Like it's not random. You plan things out, you met, you have a last meal, you have conversation with people you love the most. And you You make sure it's all prepared. You do research, you see how we're like, where at where do you hit? Should you hold the gun? How many pills should you take? Like, how should you slice your wrist is really informative, because they know that they're making this choice for them, and there's nothing that's gonna stop them. It's amazing. It's not even sickening, like that level of thought, like, you are so set like, it's like a sentence in your mind. I'm going to kill myself. There's a checklist of everything you want to do below that. And once everything is checked off thing you do it is never random. It's like it's not no homicidal thing. You think this out and you're going to perform it. So for him seeing the videos and everything else like that. That means even though he was having this image, and this mask is showing the public, he was thinking about this for a very long time. Sure. He just decided one day, like today's the day and that's it.

Mikey:

I mean, the hard part for me about though there's two things one, like I have a good friend who attempted suicide a couple different times and she was she would always talk about suicide in this in the way like if, if I had dedicated as much time and effort to healing myself and truly like truthfully, being proactive about getting better if I had spent the same amount of time on that as As I did around planning my suicide, like I could have gotten myself out of the hole. And I thought that was kind of an interesting thing, just energetically. The other thing that kind of like, one of the reasons that I'm really anti gun is that guns make the equation a lot faster. Like, if you're trying to do something, if you're going to hang yourself, you're gonna do whatever, there's a lot of like, forethought that has to go into that, like a gun, you can kind of be in a moment and just be like, I right at this moment, I'm feeling like, like, there's no end in sight, bla bla bla. And, you know, you can make it happen really fast. And I don't know, just for me, it's like, you know, you look at gun deaths and the you know, suicides are included in gun deaths. And I mean, it's pretty they're I think they're overwhelmingly the highest number in gun deaths. And you know, for me it's like if you don't have a gun in your house if you don't have access to that quick you know, solution or that you know, that quick method then it kind of it I think mitigates the risk at least a little bit, but it's

Anthony:

seek cup is dead people just if it's easy kill people. For sure.

Jeff:

Like I don't even know how to segue into the next topic, but like, it was like, it'll be fucked up. No, I mean, it's like

Anthony:

the things ended right here. No, no, I got you I got you. So Mike, speak up. So I gotcha, good. Well, I

Mikey:

was just gonna say like, I've kind of destigmatize suicide in my mind that in that like, it's you know, death is death. Death is scary. Like we don't talk about death enough on our culture and suicide, like on some level, you know, you can look at it like a like a cowardly or selfish act you can also look at it like a really brave act like it's a you you're choosing your ending you're choosing when you get to leave. And I you know, I believe I live in a state where you know, that where we have, you know, euthanasia where you can you know, where you can Doctor assisted suicide, if you're sick, you can you can, you know, help, you can help yourself die. And I believe that you should be able to die it, you know, when you want to. So, I don't know, I think there's a way to kind of like, flip it. And you know, I think I think we need to work on kind of destigmatizing suicide so that it doesn't feel like it's like this dark thing that we can't talk about because then when you start thinking about it, you're like, oh my god, I must be fucked up. Because I'm thinking about it. I don't know. That's all I really have to

Anthony:

say about it. Nobody else cares. Two packs here.

Mikey:

What's that? Let's talk about some music. Jeffy get

Jeff:

mad. King disease three drops. We talked about this in our last episode. By the way, we failed to mention that we didn't record last week, so we want to apologize to our fans for that. We took a hiatus. We took like a week off and it doesn't even feel like we did right? No, we call them they don't even feel like it

Anthony:

right back at me. And then crazy happened last week. Anyway, so fuck that.

Mikey:

You guys should get like our show. We take like two three weeks off at a time all the time. We just like like forget to record we just had a baby I don't even know when the last time we recorded was super loose about it.

Jeff:

With the baby on it should have

Mikey:

Fuck yeah, they were going to

Jeff:

let him make sounds and shit. Yeah,

Mikey:

let's have some fun in the microphone. It'll be funnier than anything. I say.

Anthony:

We're gonna retire in a couple years and his son to take over this shit and the ghost. whoever the fuck is going to take over for meeting your son to take over? Yeah, it all goes man circular. Sounds perfect. can give

Jeff:

you that gum. And the NAS album. For me, at least. As of right now is the album of the year. I'm sure young motherfuckers will beg to differ because of the Drake and the 21 Savage album, which sold a trillion copies and the numbers are

Anthony:

different. Right? For

Jeff:

me, this should hands down be the album of the year. I agree. Now 21 Savage was being interviewed. And he and some may say that he didn't really mean to say what he said. But he said and I quote when talking about knives. He's not relevant. Right? But then he goes on to say he just has a loyal ass fan base. He just has a loyal fan base and he still makes good ass music. So he's acknowledging that Nas is making great music. Yeah, but for some reason decided to use the words not relevant in the same sentence as NAS and of course the backlash came from everybody. People are like on Twitter like Damn 21 Savage said NAS is irrelevant. And who's the dude he's beefing with that he just challenged to a verses

Mikey:

21 Savage.

Jeff:

What's the fucking guy's name?

Anthony:

Everybody

Jeff:

Kodak is a Kodak

Mikey:

Kodak Black yeah

Jeff:

but I guess they I guess they you know they want to do a verses or whatever he had said something about like, I'll beat him in the verses or whatever.

Mikey:

They're just trying to trying to battle for who's the least attractive rapper currently

Jeff:

Naza irrelevant. And we're smoking dick. Crazy Nights that boy you trippin.

Mikey:

He said, he's smoking dick.

Jeff:

He said, and we're smoking dick. Cool.

Mikey:

I mean, I understand what 21 Savage. Like, I understand that he wasn't. I understand what he was saying. Like, I know that he wasn't trying to necessarily say that, like, nods is terrible or even using the word irrelevant. I think it was an improper word to use. I think he just, I think what he's just saying is like, you know, Nas is not like part of like the tip of the spear in culture right now. Like, he's not the person that's like, you know, a lot of the young kids are falling. I mean, just put to say that Nas isn't putting out like, some of his best music, and some of the best hip hop that's ever been put out is just, it's a dumb thing to say. And especially like, you know, my opinion doesn't matter in this situation. Like About who 21 Savage is, I think 21 Savage is garbage. I hate his music. And I think he made the, like, his contribution to the Drake and Neil to that album. He's the worst part of it. But that's okay. I mean, it's like, he's just not my style rapper. But I just think it's like, I don't know, all this. Everybody trying to high post and flex about like, oh, you know, older rappers are like, kind of the classic like, 90s hip hop, Golden Era rappers. And trying to say that they don't matter. They're terrible. Like, you know, people have said stuff about Tupac, you'll step sets of a biggie. People have said stuff, but Wu Tang, it's just, it's, it's fucking stupid. It's like, but I did that shit. When I was young. I was like, oh, man, fuck, like, whoever Led Zeppelin or whatever my parents were listening to right. And it's like, and then it just took me a while to understand like, Oh, this is all foundational. Like 21 Savage. Wouldn't have a fucking career if it wasn't for NAS.

Jeff:

Yeah, and now it's just posted a picture, you know, and had like the laughing emoji and it just said love. And people are saying like, houses answerbag. Yeah. Then anyone goes on. And he says, I would never disrespect knives or any legend who paved the way for me. Y'all be trying to take stuff and run with it. That was his tweet. My thing is, how come this only really happens in hip hop, though? You know what I'm saying? Like, why is hip hop the only genre where the youngsters don't respect the ones that came before them. Like hip hop is not even old bro. Hip Hop just turned 49 years old is not even 50 years old. is literally the youngest genre of any musical genre. Hip hop is the youngest. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And we could we go back to when cannabis was beefing with LL and he was you know, he was the youngster and he came in and he'd said, lol, let me borrow that shit. That mic from your arm? You know what I mean? Yeah. Like sometimes the young motherfuckers just, they got to think before they say some shit, even if you didn't mean malice. Like, you got to show a little bit more respect for your elders. You know what I mean? Like Respect your elders.

Mikey:

Yeah, but isn't but I mean, hip hop is a cloud based genre. You know, it's about flexing, it's about like, you know, I've got the most I've got the most jewelry on I've got the dopest versus I'm like, you know, coming off the top you know, whatever it is it's like I you know, I can flex harder than you and that's like half of the industry I mean, like country music artists aren't like got my fucking I got more horses than you I got more cow shit on my boots. I mean, it's just it's a cloud based industry and it's like I you know, and I like the kind of manufactured beefs that happen a lot where it's like the you know, there's no reason for it to happen but it's like to promote album sales. And I don't know I just don't take any what anybody says with much with much sincerity because it's like, I don't know it's people that are like they're not really thinking about the long term effect of what they're saying they're just more like you know, it's just about in the moment saying that saying something to like piss people off or to stay in the news Yeah, but you don't

Jeff:

have to shit on the people that came before you though to do you know you could boast and brag and you know and talk your shit without disrespecting the past right? Especially when somebody is still putting out music nice put has been dropping two albums a year for like the last three years consistent Yeah, I'm saying yeah, to say that he's not relevant just because he's not on the radio maybe as much as you are. You know what I mean he maybe he's not as commercial right now as you are Drake are but he's putting out way better music than you I can tell you that shit. Yeah, regardless of what these 20 year olds want to you know say that they like

Mikey:

it's just for me it's like whenever I get in an argument with someone about SoundCloud rappers or about mumble rappers or whatever it's like you can't you actively can't say that that person is like a better lyricist than someone like NAS you can't like you can say that you like their music better you can say maybe like their beats production better whatever it is. You know this like when it was a takeoff that just got killed from migos Yeah, so like everybody was talking about like, you know, like, there was all these people coming out saying like, What an unbelievable lyricist he was. And I was like, well stop. Just don't like don't don't come and say that he's a great lyricist. He's not he never I don't think he would even say that he was. You can say he's a he's a great musician. You liked his music, but like nods is making something that's like, it's such a specific, you know, like, it is the most like, you listen to the kt three album, and it's like a juicy rich steak. It's perfectly produced his fucking I mean, his lines are like better than almost any album that he's come out with. I'm like, I've been studying the album front to back and it's just like, it is pure solid, like pure hip hop, right? A lot of kids nowadays aren't looking for that they're not looking for like classic hip hop. They're looking for something that's kind of more genre bendy. You know, that's, that is kind of what trout 21 Savage is making. And that's like, that's cool. That's what that's what they're looking for. But in the background, you know, maybe not as commercially viable. Whatever, like not being posted, you know, behind tick tock videos and stuff is not like just churning out like, blue chip stock worthy like IBM fucking banging. I'm gonna make dope ass music that's just going to be steady for fucking 40 years. 21 Savage. Like, call me in 10 years and asked me about 21 Savage. I don't even know who the fuck you're talking about.

Jeff:

And the thing is, one of the main ingredients of a classic album is replayability. And these albums have replayability I've been listening to this nostre for like two weeks now straight. I've been bumping his shit on my phone and in my car. And every time I hear it, it's like the she gets better. Yeah, right, you catch a line that you missed. You really, really like the beat just becomes better to you. And one of the knocks on nozzles historically has always been his quote unquote beat picking. You can't say that shit about any of these albums that he's made with him boy, because it boy is hitting it out of the park. In all four albums that he's made with not so far you can't say any beat is trash. Some are better than others. But autumn shoes is dope.

Mikey:

I've argued with people about Knauss beat picking for years. I think I always think that's a bullshit argument. Like maybe some of the middle argument I think

Jeff:

maybe started by don't you go I think that should was started by like fucking Vlad TV or something. And one of the coaches started that argument.

Mikey:

I mean, if you if you want to talk about some of his like, middle like, you know, like, kind of center the cookie albums like, I'm not really good at like, what, what was the album that like the ones in the middle? Stillmatic and like, kind of the ones around there? Like there was written I am. Yeah, but it was written and I am are like, those are fucking sick beats still. Like, we're talking like, you know, I don't know if we're talking to Illmatic. Like, show me a beat that isn't unbelievable on that album. Right? I mean, like, I mean, he's got premiere. He's got I mean, he has like top tier producers behind him. Yeah, I mean, I think what people are saying I think it's a backhanded compliment. I think what they're saying is like his lyricism, sometimes the beats that he picks or that are put on his albums aren't, they're not up to snuff with his lyricism. Akik is coming with fucking unbelievable golden fire with his lyrics and like sometimes the beats are like kind of lackluster in comparison, but that's a compliment.

Jeff:

And that's what I told and last time, I said that sometimes that Nas is so good to time, sometimes it works to a detriment, because people are just expecting a certain level of you know, what I mean of excellence, that he just gets brushed off like at NAS, Nas, you know, he's great, whatever. You know, I'm saying like, this is what we expected. Like it's almost used against him that he's so good. Sure, when they talk about his beat picking, I feel like that's not even a jab at him. I think that's an insult to like Dr. Dre. Swizz Beats timberland. You know what I mean premier hit boy etc because he's worked with you know, Pete Rock You know, he's worked with all the best producers in the world Kanye so if anything, you know, go direct desha towards them because he's not picking these beats these guys are coming to him with these beats. And he's just rhyming over them he's not saying I want this one I want that one who is he to fucking you know, question Dr. Dre or Puff Daddy or DJ Premier if they come to him with a beat he's just gonna rhyme over it you know? I mean

Anthony:

I curse out loud because cuz you when you're saying that statement I'm like it's he said who has the right to tell him that nice does it says

Jeff:

Like if Dr. Dre comes to me right now with a beat even if I think is trash yo I need you to rhyme over this I'm rhyming over this No, you're

Mikey:

saying you are using you? Are you as you are you as NAS?

Jeff:

me right now if Dr. Dre came and said I need you to write I'm rhyming over the shit bro is Dr. Fucking Dre and NAS felt when Dre came to him with a beat when premier would have beat Why don't think premier has any bad beats but this was beats and one of these guys if you come

Anthony:

to it right and now it says something. And Dre gives me shit beat NAS roms over it. The problem is that you're like because the their hand in hand. If you hit the music is shit. No matter if you could have Top Two, your lyricism on it. If that doesn't work for me, it doesn't work for me and he is one of the maybe. What maybe him, Jay, Eminem, honest, Buster? Yeah, that might be it. That people who can literally say like, No, I think kindred tend to drink now, drink to decried a trick to do whatever. But I think it's few people where you're going to say like, even to the best of the best producer, if you gave me this shit, I'm like, No, go do it again. That was the problem when he made that shit with Kanye. The thing is like Kanye, like, I'm Kanye West. He's been so amazing. I want to have NAS rhyme on it. It should more like, I'm not one of the greatest lyricist in the history of hip hop. If you're going to make a beat for me. You need to tailor it for me. Don't think it's something you think I will sound great on. Make something I know that I know that I will sound great on. And that was his problem early in his career. Like he would take the beats and so on so forth. And he wouldn't bring it. I mean, in the history of hip hop, there are hundreds of great beats. That's an episode we want to do one day, just the top 10 greatest beats in hip hop history, right?

Mikey:

Well, there's a lot of great data being given to ship people to

Anthony:

write and that's the whole thing. If you took Okay, let's take let's take New York state of mind, right? Great beat. If you give that to Jay, it probably works because cuz he's just just you just way too talented. You give it the buffet, it probably doesn't. You give it the cue tip, it doesn't work. It's something about that, that makes it work that snazzy voice in that track. But the thing with that is like, not just had other moments where the tracks just didn't quite line up. And it's not a problem a beat picking that that term right there beat picking that was a problem. And he was just so gracious about like, I'm thankful to have a beat from one of the greatest producers have ever like, I'm gonna do what I can on this, like, you don't have to do that. Like, what is the Caliban talking about? That's not nice, I'm done forever. I don't wanna hit NAS on a fucking DJ Khaled beat never, ever, ever, ever. I don't hit it at all. I mean, but the beauty of it, and whatnot, you just got to enjoy what he is. And he is a top tier lyricist. And the thing that we got to appreciate more than anything else, because I'm gonna revert back to what Jeff said before about the problem of hip hop itself, that you're thinking about the youth of it, and you compare it to other journalists. The thing about other genres is that if someone likes the Rolling Stones, they're going to ride with the Rolling Stones, from beginning to end, they're not going to compare the Rolling Stones to anybody else. But they're not going to hate on anybody else. They just know like, I fuck with the stones, or hip hop or like, I fuck with NAS now or an Alfa PJ on our, on our fuckwit fit, do not like it bounces back and forth to your favorites or your favorites or your favorite or your favorites. And that becomes problematic. I thought, wow. And that's the flaw in what 21 was talking about. Because he's like, it's not that nice. It's not relevant. It's just not relevant to this generation. But he's telling told me who asked doesn't give a shit about his relevance. He just wants to keep making music. I think NAS is one of those people that in like, 1520 years, you're still gonna see him on stage because he loved this shit so much.

Mikey:

Yeah, so what I mean this is you can also say this in like, in like the art world, you know, I mean, there's there are artists that like, you know, they, you know, they have their, their genre they have, like, the type of art that they've been making the type of paintings that they've been making, they're still making them right. And like, you know, people are like, well, they're not necessary and move, you know, movie directors like all these different people that it's like they're making, they're, they know that they're coming with, like such a high quality stuff. But we kind of already know what it is like, I think about like, I love Wes Anderson's movies. And like Wes Anderson, like, we understand it, like all of his movies are super precious. Everything is like super symmetrical. And it's all very, you know, kind of campy and cute, but like so like when he comes out with a new movie, it's not like, oh my god, it's blowing my mind, everybody needs to be talking about it. It's like, I just know that I'm gonna like I can sign up for it, I can go see a movie. And I know that it's going to be unbelievably high quality, but it's not like it's innovating necessarily. And I think that's kind of what 21 Savage was trying to say is like that Nas is making unbelievably good music, but it's not like it's not you know, hitting everybody in there saying like, this is some wild shit that we've never heard before. They just know that it's unbelievable because it's not like the quality of it is always going to be that Hi, I just think it was in an accurate way of saying it. And I just think you have to before you say anything like that. You have to preface it with this person is a Rap God this person like laid the foundation for all hip hop music nowadays. I wouldn't be here without them. But I don't think that this new album is like breaking new ground or whatever, which I kind of disagree with. I think it is and I think hit boy and NAS have found this chemistry that's insane. I mean, it works so well.

Jeff:

Yeah. 21 Savage needs to shut the fuck up. You're relevant motherfucker. You are the only reason you've been a little bit irrelevant and up in the last month it's because of Drake for putting you in his album.

Mikey:

Yeah. And I don't know why it pisses me off that he's British, but I'm just I'm just like, shut the fuck up like you culture. Walter, you come over here and you act like like you're a fucking American now and it's like nah dude like we invented hip hop. It's our it's our genre of music you gotta fucking bow to the American hip hop guys before you can actually try to flex

Anthony:

Welcome to going to deport him a couple years ago. I don't know it was some shit about him he's glad to be deported back to England and some shit like that.

Jeff:

Yes and his as backpacking pack is as soon as as back to fucking the good ol UK

Mikey:

and what's your guys? Yeah. What's your track on KT three

Jeff:

ton or what is

Mikey:

that though is that the proper spelling of done like the done language like Mobb Deep like Queensbridge

Jeff:

speak Yeah, because it's a queen, right? Because Queen slang for done. I always thought it was just de un but I guess so. Did I correct way is th Yeah.

Mikey:

Okay, I've done what I've done.

Jeff:

Because prodigy used to say that word a lot. Oh, yeah,

Mikey:

of course.

Jeff:

Dun dun, dun, dun language that one. And then the song right after it. Michael and Quincy is my second. Yeah,

Mikey:

that's which is the single. I was actually a little surprised that that was the single. Yeah, and they have a video and stuff. I don't know. I've just I saw the video for it. I've got I think, I think beef is my song. I really love that song. And it's another one of those like, metaphor songs. You know where he's like, it's like the his, you know, like, I'm a gun.

Jeff:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. What what? Yeah, he's he's the embodiment of beef of beef. Yeah, right. He always has at least one song like that. Right? And like his I love it. Dude.

Mikey:

That's I feel like it's just like his weed song. It's a it's a song where he got like, high as balls. And then he's like, Man, I'm gonna write this time. It's going to be a metaphor. I'm going to be beef. Yeah. That's my NAS impression of him being high.

Jeff:

But you're Alright, so before we close out this topic, why is hip hop the only genre genre that the elder statesmen get disrespected? Constantly, and I've never heard? I've never heard or Aerosmith or anybody. disrespect you know, Led Zeppelin or Metallica. whoever the fuck came before. You know, I'm saying I never heard Linkin Park. Biscuit. You don't I mean, I bet you they do though. No,

Mikey:

I mean, it's not. It's not in their meat. I bet you it happens. It's not in their music. But I mean, I bet you there's plenty of you know, like, times where they're performing on the same bill and someone will be like, oh, like, like, that band is tired and nobody wants to hear your shit anymore. I don't know. But yeah, it happens. It's just Oh no, bro. It's not going to be in the lyrics.

Jeff:

Oh, I don't think it happened. Okay. I feel like it does. I feel like it doesn't happen in any genre, bro.

Mikey:

We should we should get like some we should get like a rock and roll dude in the country dude. And like I mean, pop like pop music. It definitely happens. People snipe each other all the time partway through. Give me an example.

Jeff:

Who's Well,

Mikey:

I mean, there's a lot of younger artists a lot of younger artists that we'll talk about, like Well, was it Ariana Grande that sniped on like I don't think Carrie

Jeff:

I don't hear Bruno Mars saying you know fuck Elvis Presley Elvis Presley music is irrelevant. You know, I don't hear I don't hear him saying I don't hear Chris Brown saying fuck Michael Jackson, his music and his shit. No more. I'm the new Michael Jackson. Like, no, he pays homage to the show. You know what I mean? I don't hear Neo saying, you know, like, Fuck Frank Sinatra. Whoever the old ballad singers from back in the day were like, I don't hear that shit, bro.

Mikey:

No Neo Neo would be saying fuck assure the person that I cloned myself from?

Jeff:

Yeah, I guess well, yeah.

Mikey:

He's like, I wouldn't have a career if I didn't steal all my sound from Russia. The that's a different story. I mean, but isn't it but I didn't need Anta to weigh in on this because it isn't. I mean, isn't it about like, the hip hop is about, like, it's a culture that's based off of clout. It's a culture that's based off of kind of like, comparison and showing like, this is how big I am powerful. I am. This is how rich I am. This is like how dope I am as a lyricist. I mean, there's very few other mute like genres are like about comparing yourself to other people.

Anthony:

Jeff said in beginning that hip hop and you think about its degrees in the nascent parts of his life, that's about 50 years old. And you got to think that the Rolling Stones have been performing longer than the existence of hip hop. The thing about that thing? The why you said that they don't have problems is because with them is just about music. If they're going to get whenever those guys get mad at each other, it's never about money. It's always about musicianship who's a better drummer who's a better guitarist who's a better performer. That shit. They never complain about money. They never complain about what I have. I don't have all those guys have riches shit, they just don't care. It always comes down to the music. So people like they say this person's greatest drummer, this person, the greatest keyboard, this person, the best vocalist, so and so forth. Because all the other stuff doesn't matter. The culture itself, the culture of hip hop is raised and created about this brashness and braggadocio that it's coming from a place of despair and poverty. So when you reach that level, that's the thing you're going to talk about, because I know what my situation was before. And my talent got me this house, that card, this chain this that they it's, it's, it's ingrained into it, it can't help yourself. So those older acts that you speak of the stones, ZZ Top, whoever, Elton John, is even say that, that he is going to retire. The thing about them is that they the difference between them and say, let's say Hip Hop now. Jeff, you're you're you are massive NAS fan, right. Correct. Okay. Now since I'm retiring from hip hop, I'm going to have one more show. And it's going to be in Phoenix, Arizona, are you going

Jeff:

out? Think about it. And I know it's bullshit, because they retire all day. And they always come back. Jay Z's been retired for 20 years.

Anthony:

But that's the problem. You go and think about it. If the stone see that every stones fan is going to try those tickets, we're going fast and Taylor Swift, they would not care if they might come back. If they're saying this is the end, I want to beat it. They are they're committed to this. Even if you're even if their artists put out shit albums, they're always going to be committed to it. And they'll even admit, it wasn't a greatest album. Still a fan it is with hip hop, it tends to be a bit more finicky. And that's kind of the basis of all this. Like these things like we are the ideas of crystallizing things, the people that we consider like goats or elite rappers. They are rich Sure, but their lyrical content their message is that words it's not about money. It's never has been never going to be so once that happens in that occurs you run into these situations all the time, like what are we going to do about this? How are we going to talk about this at that essential forefront all the guys that this generation you seem the only right back into guns bitches in money. That's it, but them your noses, your Jays your m&ms, it's cultural things. It's it is about money sometimes. But it's about this is how what I went through to get this money. This is what I'm doing. Now. I'm building things. I'm clicking art, I'm taking care of people, I'm doing a whole lot of things in life and society that wasn't able to do before. It's just not about that we don't give it time to grow. Because again, it's still very young country is always been this rock and roll. So a lot older than this. Jazz is older than this. It takes time. We're still in a very beginning of these things. But you're seeing people are able to outgrow their typical braggadocious style of rap that is conscious, but it's also commercial, you have your colts, you have your Kendrick, you have those people that are there. So if you can find something that sticks for you and define for you, like NAS defines for you and sticks with you. The moment that keeps going forward, you're going to support that artists, you're going to constantly have these arguments about what the generation now feels about that person. But in truth reality, it doesn't matter because your love for that artist is pure, just like their love for those classic r&b People in classic rock and roll this is pure, no matter what they do or where they go I'm going to be there with them because this should define me and I might appreciate support will always be with them. I'm not gonna complain about those that don't like it but in the end you still like it as long as people like you. They still support the truth and the essence of hip hop. We're always going to have these conversations but it's always good to have it around but most important thing is that you put forth and recognize the man who's still making great fantastic needs to just stay he found a producer that he works extremely well with he has an album that that might you know win a few awards, but it's still going to keep progressing for them because that's the kind of person he is yeah all this popcorn microgeneration stuff they got now is what it is but it's not a word as long as the purity of hip hop is there. It keep on surviving.

Jeff:

Alright, But yo, before we go, and I wasn't gonna bring this up only because I don't want to give this platform free publicity. But we have to we have to bring it up. And I'm gonna and bring it up. And I'm talking about Tony Yang yo. He is historically known as the worst member of the unit. He is the most irrelevant member of G Unit records and G unit the group in the camp and the gang shots

Mikey:

fired.

Jeff:

Am I so far have I said any lies with the relevant members Do you wanna correct

Mikey:

totally

Jeff:

because young buck is trashed, but he's he was more relevant than Tony because Tony alles was locked up for the majority of their run in the 2000s. But go ahead and let people know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Anthony:

Tony AOG I'm telling a new podcast people have a new podcast,

Jeff:

his podcast What did he named said podcast?

Anthony:

I think it's called introducing the culture

Jeff:

it's called Welcome to the culture because it's relevant I apologize he wanted these are the facts. The facts are he wanted to name it the culture right? Yes, what that name is taken. Got to ship it. That's just Takens

Mikey:

he's like he just easily like knocked on his door he's like hey man, I've been sleeping on your couch for a while to me Tony Yeah, do

Jeff:

you would like be like G Unit? No, but anyway,

Mikey:

remember me from panhandling on your block?

Anthony:

Maybe gave me $1 in a corner brought him like a couple days ago.

Jeff:

So he couldn't name it the culture so he named it Welcome to the culture and he puts out some little bullshit trailer introducing the shit looks cheap as fuck right? Even the artwork it looks cheap as fuck like my shit looks way better than then you know

Anthony:

you do what you can afford

Jeff:

but I just wanted to bring that out that's the only time we're gonna mention that shit on the show you know that's gonna be his free publicity is is to his two minutes or two seconds of fame This is the real culture this is the one and only the culture podcast all right never duplicate

Anthony:

it give me thanks never duplicate it never duplicated the fact that right or not?

Jeff:

They try to imitate it but they can't duplicate it.

Anthony:

They had to put a welcome to be one

Jeff:

can only be one and that's why our website is the culture dot one. Because it could only be one could you

Anthony:

imagine him sitting his keyboard like typing the code? You're like nope taken culture taken the culture taken fuck to hang it what? Like you'd like you're playing Words with Friends and trying to figure out what's the best. How can I fit culture into this board? Fuck. Welcome to negative that is a placemat

Mikey:

and i It's also worth it's also worth looking it up on the main if you look up you know tried to look it up in oh the only thing that really comes up as this is fifty.com which I'm assuming that that's like and dude it's like this like look at how look up this is fifty.com like soup first of all, it's there's another it links to another website which is G Unit brands.com Which if you read it looks like WD it looks like gun it done@brands.com It's the worst like the fucking like, Photoshop work that's been done on this. There's like 1,000,050 cents on top of it. It's so bad. It looks like a high school like art project. Terrible. Nice try to Tony.

Jeff:

Here's a fun fact. Here's a fun fact I used to write for this is fifty.com No, it was ran by was the guy was the guy's name with the one I helped me up. Parent Pete. Fucking guy. I'm talking about object thriller is run by Jack thriller. So me and he would even you know, we would email back and forth and he eventually kicked me off. He didn't like I don't know if he didn't like the content or he didn't like the way I was. I was I was posting shit. kicked me off the fucking team. Oh, that's awesome. I used to write for him. This was this was years ago. Yeah. Okay.

Anthony:

Thriller. She got fired by Jacques thriller.

Mikey:

It was yeah, it was it did you did you write a scathing takedown of of LLOYD BANKS grilled cheese and tomato soup recipe. I was only using one kind of cheese. It was grilled cheese.

Jeff:

Now I was writing I was writing reviews about about albums about you know, I'm saying albums that were coming out and shit. They're listening to the bullshit. I was only No no no, like whatever new albums came out. Okay, like again, this was years ago. I remember at the time one of the new albums that came out was Buddha woodblock, it was the locks in Wu Tang so that's how many years ago it was when that came out. And I had written a review on that on there. And I wasn't I refuse to do any reviews on whatever the bullshit that was trending and that I mean any mumbled shit, or any bullet I wasn't gonna do that. So that already limit my you know, I really limit myself by you know, check coaching me for the idea of Listen.

Anthony:

Listen to that young man mumble

Jeff:

Yeah, I wasn't going to Kipruto Be prepared. It wasn't. It was an internship. It wasn't even a paid gig.

Mikey:

Do you love getting fired? Oh, you can find me when you get fired from a volunteer job that feels especially people like

Jeff:

there was a posted you know, there was perks it showed the way that he put it he was like, oh, you know we can't pay you. We broke as hell but you know, you'll get some perks. There'll be perks that will come with

Mikey:

the perk is that Tony yay Oh my resume. Tony Yay. Oh, we'll come to your house with three Don Juan burrito microwavable burritos and he'll give you one of them. And he'll sleep on your couch. Hola Hola.

Jeff:

And you'll have one blind he might let you hit it

Anthony:

that was that new brutal system froze gets fired

Mikey:

I don't know dude, I wasn't talking shit there one of my favorite things ever I'll eat the fuck I'm just saying that costs $2.50 That's all Tony can afford at this point like

Jeff:

fucking Tony Yeah your fuck that guy anyway, Mikey she tell people where they can find you, man. Thank you for coming on. We appreciate you. Yeah, thanks for having us. So

Mikey:

we'll right now you can find me basically in my house feeding my baby and changing his poopy diapers every three hours. But if you want to listen to our podcast, it's called Mikey and Rin eat in and it's Mikeyandrinne.com mikeyandrinne.com also at making rent on Instagram, and yeah, we have a food show. I don't know we talked about food. We swear a lot. We talk to a lot of Dick and fart jokes and it's pretty fun.

Jeff:

We got to go back on our show because I got to talk about more lyrics that involve food.

Mikey:

There's so many

Jeff:

especially when Action Bronson is still making music as long as Ashley Bronson is still making music. There's gonna be a lot of food lyrics.

Mikey:

Yeah, he's a hungry boy.

Jeff:

He wrestles now by the way, he lost all this weight. I can do a wrestling show.

Anthony:

I mean and bam Buck levar

Mikey:

I'm into it Thanks for having me on.

Jeff:

Yo, but John mirror said the power of imagination makes us infinite by God and only the culture the culture that one we're the only cars we own the only ones you take right? cheap imitations.

Mikey:

Yeah, yeah, come on.

Anthony:

This is fifty.com

Mikey:

Write to me Mr. Anthony cocaine and tell him that it's wack.

Anthony:

Amen. Yo Yos yo yo fuck Tony yo