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May 30, 2022

Let's End Gun Violence

Let's End Gun Violence

On the wake of the Uvalde Texas school mass shooting that left 19 children and 2 teachers dead, the guys discuss what needs to be done about the gun problem in America.  Jeff proposes his gun reform system.

Topics Discussed:

  • Elementary school shooting in Texas
  • Ban guns?
  • Barack Obama's tweet
  • The 2nd Amendment
  • The Government doesn't care about children
  • Getting an abortion is harder than buying a gun in some states
  • Jeff's gun reform idea

Referenced Links:
‘It Was the Wrong Decision,’ Police Say of Delay in Confronting Gunman - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Uvalde mass shooter was not confronted by police before he entered the school, official says - CNN

Watch NBA coach Steve Kerr’s emotional press conference following Texas shooting: 'Enough!' (yahoo.com)

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Transcript
Unknown:

What's going on fellas? What's going on? Bro? It's like every day, bro. Like, I don't know, man, like I had just been thinking about this the shooting and back when Sandy Hook happened, right, like I was still a kid, right? I'll still go to school and stuff like that, but I don't know for worried for a reason that didn't affect me. Right. And I don't understand why it didn't affect me like I was still a student, right like I still I still was going to school. So I'm not sure why that didn't affect me as much as, as the news of this shooting is affecting this alright, and I'm just talking just to kind of kind of, you know, also talk it out so that it's not in my, in my head when you want to be very, very transparent with you also, obviously, like, I don't have a kid, right? And I don't understand what kind of pain that is to to lose a kid right? I mean, like I like I can't I can't even imagine especially like, it's like, you know, losing them like that. Right? And of course, you will could, you know attest to that because I know I know that the love you have for your for your child is way different than you have for for your wife and stuff like that. But, man, I really do keep thinking about and I tried to talk to talk it out with with Kathleen because now like I'm hearing this news stuff that I like, you know, not only do I got a wife, right? But I got a wife as a teacher, right? elementary teacher, and it's so weird today, especially today being being in that school setting like today helping her out moving stuff. Like being in that classroom. Like I was already thinking like, fuck, like, okay, so like, what if what if shit pops off here? You know? Like, how, how was she going to protect herself? And also protect the kid and stuff like that? I'm like, fuck, bro. Like, why the fuck are we thinking about it? Like, why? Why is my brain thinking shit like this? Right? Like, it's so fucking taboo? Like, I feel like it's taboo for me to be thinking about this right? And, and and like, you know, what even got me even more when I talk about Wi Fi. I was like, Yo, like, what if God forbid, right or something? something does happen here. Like what what? What is your plan? Right? And I could tell that like, she didn't want to really talk about it and stuff like that. Like I pushed a little bit I was like, Well, what would you do? And she was like, and she told me she's like, I don't know I don't know what the what I would do man like this fucking has to be changed right? Like I don't want to fucking just be be be be stagnant about not having to change right? I remember I all I love these motherfuckers the side and stuff like that right? Like there has to be something that we can do on a grass roots movement. Right? That we can at least move the needle a little bit right because nothing has fucking changed since Sandy Hook right? The same exact shit happened during the 70s that Sandy Hook right all these all these news motherfuckers were crying and shit like that. Oh my god, we can't let this happen again. Bla bla bla bla fucking I saw commercial that ran in 2002 whatever the fuck it was 2010 1112 Right? That was happening like oh no sir not not Sandy Hook not not not in America we get this happening blah blah blahs a bunch of fucking celebrities right? And then fucking do shit brother fucking my motherfucking finger rather they didn't do shit. Who we are fucking Allah 1011 years later, and it fucking happened again, bro. And not only am I upset that it happened again. I won't say that it happened at a school with young children. The teachers got shot. But also those people like that survived Right? Like bro what kind of fucking trauma what kind of fucking trauma are these kids gonna have? Like I don't even think that were like comprehending the fucking amount of trauma the few kids that this survive have right now like PTSD for soldiers that are out fuck it and when they do when they went out into war Iraq fucking Vietnam whatever right? You spoke in later years fucking later and even if they fucking do get you know therapy and showed that it's just so fucked them up bro they fucked up for life. I was literally watching a CNN clip of this one girl survive, bro and she already has a fear of men like will not be around any other men. It's not her that's not her father. Like what the fuck? I feel so so so so bad for these kids that did survive right? Because bro like I don't I can't even put words to describe how fucking upset I am bro. Like I don't know I I feel like donating to all these fucking GoFundMe pages that that that all these families have rolling i and fuck, bro. I don't know, man. Oh, is this tough, bro. It's tough shit.

Jeff:

That was my man sea bass, one of our Patreon ins. He was on episode 20 He was our guest on episode 20. If you don't want to hear him, you're gonna hear him on there. But that was some impactful words, very powerful words, by man. This is episode 97 of the culture. I'm your boy, Jeff here with my man. And there's really nothing else to talk about this week.

Anthony:

Yeah, but I'm not gonna be dour about it, I'm just gonna be direct.

Jeff:

That's fine. That's the, that's what everybody loves about you.

Anthony:

I just want to I just want you to know where I stood. So if I say something, I know exactly what I'm saying and why I mean, one thing,

Jeff:

I just felt that it was appropriate to start the show with that clip from sea bass, because it'd be pretty much sums up how I'm feeling how a lot of us are feeling. You know, the events that just transpired may 24 20 2218 year old gunman by the name of Salvador, Rolando shot and killed 19 students to teachers and wounded 17 others and a school in overall the Texas and I'm quite frankly, I'm getting tired of coming on here because we you know, every time there's a shooting, we come on here, and we say we got to do better, something got to change. Something has to stop, you know, we got to and nothing, nothing changes. You see what I'm saying? And then it's Texas, which is one of the top three states in the country where this happens the most. The other two being Florida and California. If you look it up in the last 40 years, those three states have had each double digit mass shootings in the last 40 years.

Anthony:

All three of those states open carry I know Florida and Texas,

Jeff:

Florida and Texas are I think California has not but I think they're more lenient on the rules. They're obviously not like New York and New Jersey and up and up north east and stuff like that. But they make it easy for you to

Anthony:

New Jersey has gotten its shirt here that you can not be can't carry. It takes you forever to get a life because they're real particular.

Jeff:

It's hard. And so why you don't see mass shootings here like that. Like the buffalo shit that happened a couple of weeks ago that that was a rarity. You know, I mean, that was an outlier. That doesn't happen here. And it happened because the guy even said he drove to Buffalo because of the gun laws, he know that, you know, he knew that he was gonna be able to walk in there. And nobody else was gonna have a gun but him. That's why he went to Buffalo. But in these other states, like everybody has a gun initiative just happens. And I gave you the numbers, double digits in each of those three states in the last 40 years. This doesn't happen in any other country. And I'm tired of saying this because

Anthony:

it's because we're good at it.

Jeff:

We talk about the UK, Australia, they don't know where mass shooting is. You talk about Great Britain. Do you know that in the entire history of Great Britain, they've only had something like five mass shootings ever, ever. We've had five mass shootings in the last couple months. We've had three just in the

Anthony:

last few weeks, we run up the numbers when it comes to mass shootings, you

Jeff:

go to Canada, they don't know what a mass shooting is, bro, they've never seen this should never happens. And then the rare occasion that it does happen. They make change real quick. They start changing laws, they start doing, you know, they're actively changing ship immediately to prevent that from happening a second time. Not here. That happens a second time, a third time, a fourth time, a fifth time. A sixth time or 20 of time and we're still talking about is not guns. It's not guns. It's you know, it's it's the parents that somebody I saw on the news a couple days ago, somebody tried to say, well, the teacher shouldn't have left the back door open for him to walk in. Shut the fuck up. Are you serious? It's a mental illness I look. I'll say it is. I'm not downplaying mental illness. That's very, that's very real. Depression, bullying, mental distress, mental illness, all of these things. Yes. We need to also dive into those things and look into those things, and dissect those things and treat those things. Parents, yes. As parents, we need to do better jobs of parenting and identifying signs. You know, when something's wrong with our children, I agree with all those things. But if they don't have access to the guns, the automatic weaponry, the assault rifles, then they can be depressed and they can be you know, the straw, but they're not going to go into a school and shoot up the place because they won't have access to guns. You know what I'm saying? And this one hit extra haul for me, like all the mushrooms hit hard. But this one hit, you know, it hurt extra. Because I have a I have a son now. I have a four year old who by the way, just in a few days, me and my wife, we're going to take him to his first orientation for kindergarten. I took off from work and everything. And I know I'm gonna be in tears when I walk into that school just thinking that you know, soon I'm gonna have to just drop him off every morning and leave them there all day. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna probably walk out of that shit in tears. Like I'm telling you Right now, that's just gonna be scary to me. I trust the system. I don't trust these Renta cops that are gonna be walking around the halls, quote unquote patrolling the schools. Because when something really happens, they go hide or they stay outside for five minutes until the police get there. While the gunman is inside letting off 100 rounds. You're not I'm saying teachers are not qualified or trained to deal with this shit. Can you go and I hear. So when they start posting all the pictures, and these are all the students, I change the channel, I flip, you know, get off the Facebook or whatever I'm looking at, because I can't see that shit, bro. Because I have a son now and I have a child now. And that's just gonna make me break down. And now I know you don't have kids. But I wanted to ask you as a person who has to deal with kids, you have to deal with single mothers out there single fathers or you're not I'm saying family that have children that are in certain situations. I'm curious to hear how this how does this shit affected you?

Anthony:

That much? Really? So you're numb to the shit? No, no. The thing is that when I say that people think that I get cold about it. I'm not cold on numb to it. Um, it's very, actually very thoughtful in my mind, for very simple reason. You're seeing a lot of people say their feelings and thoughts and so on and so forth towards it. If you look at it, from a broader sense, America's response to this is basically, you know, fuck them kids. It really is. And I've told people that before they get mad, like, What do you mean? Like we fuck those kids? I but hear me out. This is a company, we're a country, but we call it a company too, that has a lot of his ideology is based around Christianity. And part of it does kind of dissolve into you know, the idea of white supremacy not you know, kk k or no German hand, no symbol, don't it up like that. And since that white people tend to, you know, be the dominant portion of the Society of this society. So it made me rewind back to Sandy Hook. And I always thought this, and I've always felt this this, why don't my thoughts really don't change them ever freak out? What is a mass shooting? They went into a school, a white person went to a white school and murdered those kids. Right? Then at that time, even with that was just irrefutable. Someone who looks like you murder children who are yours. And they didn't do anything about gun reform, to change the law. Nothing. At that point, I came to really clear realization like, they really don't give a fuck how many people a shot because you don't want to sell it to business partners. What I mean is that, you know, we manufacture a lot of arms, and they're everywhere. We have the strongest military industrial complex in the world. You have access to by damnit, everything short of a tank without much of a background check. So you have the sense these scenarios that happened. That happened in Parkland, happened in Las Vegas shooting happened in Fort Hood, another shooting in Tampa, then a mass shooting in Buffalo, that imagining itself Come on inside of a church, different things, different places, different races, so on so forth. So again, it came at a particular realization that, you know, these are your, these are white people who look like you sound like you speak like you act like you, these are your children. They came in a shot at that school, and they murdered those kids. And at that time, if that couldn't get you to change, I don't necessarily expect this to make people change. Because we are concerned about everything else, except for the thing that the police directly in front of us. days after this performance, and this thing happened in Texas, they're talking about the response time of the officers, like oh, they could have saved more lives. They could have did more things. But the reality is like, what was done was done, like even if they would have rushed to the school, and the government ended up dead anyway, it would have caused the death of more children. And I know people are going to talk about the inactivity but and that's the story everywhere. But that story doesn't matter. The story that how did this young man who was eight years old, able to get his hands on a military style assault rifle, to walk into the school to murder all of these children. And we're concerned about the response time of the police, because we just don't want to face a particular reality and don't want to deal with that reality for too long that you have a gun issue. A massive one. And I mean, a huge one. Like, I own a gun. I own a nine millimeter and I own a shotgun. I keep them cleaned. I go to range, I'd do what I can in regards to it. But do I ever want to use it to kill somebody? Never. Not that might sound a bit of a little counterintuitive, like she'd get a gun. Do you want to shoot people? No, I want to get a gun to protect myself, I don't want to shoot anybody. I don't want to harm anybody. I tell people, my simple reason is I rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. Because we're living in a very dangerous world here where people have to do these things. That now we're worried about know the safety of our children, the safety of our families, and so on so forth, we're going to draw inwards because that's the way it's supposed to function the way that it has to be. But it doesn't have to be that way. There are changes that we can do things that we can enact law that we can go into effect, a lot of things that we can change. But again, it's going to be difficult to get people out of the business that just aren't going to fuck up their business partnerships, like people talk about the NRA and Rifle Association and so forth. I mean, you might not like them, but they're massive donors to your congressman, your senators, your elected officials. They're the ones that help them run those advertisements and pulling up this little plaques you put in your house and bumper stickers like that, like in their pocket come from donations.

Jeff:

Yo but another shooting bro. I mean other than shooting another fuckin shooting bro. I got some proposal, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna run them by you in a minute. About what you know what we could do about these guns. But let's take a quick break man. We'll get back to the show.

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Jeff:

They represent a culture representative like the culture podcast. Yo, you know that it's harder? Yeah, I know that in some states, it's harder to get an abortion in this country than a gun. And I'm not making this and this is not gonna be an abortion conversation. Although I don't like to tell women I don't like to tell women what to do with their body. But what I'm saying is an 18 year old who can't drink legally can't smoke legally. Probably can't even drive depending on the state and can't have an abortion. Or Ken has to go through mad hoops all kinds of hoops to get an abortion, even if she was sexually assaulted. But they can go into a gun shop and buy 100 Plus rounds of ammunition by automatic weapons by rifles, assault rifles and by all kinds of weaponry. And then I keep hearing about the Second Amendment issue. Oh, we are we have the right to bear arms. Again, shut the fuck up. Because this shit doesn't happen in any other country. And not only that, when the Second Amendment was written, automatic weapons wasn't even invented yet. There was no assault rifles bro. They had those fucking One of them's just called that you had to crank them up, muskie, that's all they had muskets. What was the civilian gonna do one of those you didn't have enough time to go into no store or school and start cranking the shit up and kill 20 people, you know?

Anthony:

It was weird. All.

Jeff:

So when the times change, and technology changes and society changes, the rules were in place and regulations and amendments and commandments. And scriptures all have to change with it. I'll take a biblical way to even shit like the Bible has to change along with the times because the shit is outdated, and none of those rules none of the shit applies anymore. Correct. So this is my proposal. I mean, I would love to see guns banned. I know, that's never gonna happen. That would be my number one proposal is to just ban guns and you know, in general, like, Nobody's allowed to have a fucking gun.

Anthony:

Yet and second amendment boy is not gonna happen. Okay.

Jeff:

But if that's not at all possible, then this is my compromise. Rule number one, you have to be at least 21 years of age to legally own a firearm. That's that's, that's plausible, right? That's fair.

Anthony:

Think it might be too low. Okay,

Jeff:

but I'm saying at least 21 of the legal ways of drinking and smoking and shit like that.

Anthony:

Right? So it was the 18 and drink 20 want to smoke or vice versa? Oh,

Jeff:

you need to be 21 to drink. And I might be 18 and 18. In Smoke. Yeah.

Anthony:

So 18, you get the first choice to kill yourself. 21, you get a second choice case of I probably say that maybe 25 screams on your first by the way. At least you know, you graduate from college might be a little bit mature. You know, 21 is

Jeff:

young as far I mean, you're still not mature yet. You're still figuring out life. But you're still way more mature than 18. By the way, alcohol and drugs, nothing kills more people in this country than alcohol drugs. That's one and two, one A and one B and then guns. And they're all legal. Weed isn't yet where it's starting to be. But for the longest time, it wasn't and nobody's ever died of weed. Okay, again, that's a different argument. I'm just trying to point out the how fucked up this country is. All right, so my rule number one is at least 21 years of age. We can work on that go up, but I'm saying I want to meet somewhere but no, no lower than 21. Okay, okay. My rule number two. I want to ban rifles, and automatic weapons completely. Unless you're in the military, nobody is allowed to have these shifts. Because that's how it is in Canada, and in the UK. And in all these other countries where none of this ever happens.

Anthony:

Assault Rifles military style assault rifle ship pretty much, you know,

Jeff:

what's the point of assault rifle? Nobody should have an assault rifle, you don't go hunting with an assault rifle? Or you're not I'm saying on automatic shit that that throws 1000 bullets per minute. You don't need that to go kill a deer. So

Anthony:

if you want one join the service. So that's my rule number two,

Unknown:

we good there.

Anthony:

That's fine. I disagree with number one, not the actual argument more than age, what

Jeff:

would you say? Like? Three, four?

Anthony:

Yeah. Because, like, it takes a while for you to really kind of understand, like, you know, what it actually takes, like, like, okay, you can drive or get your license at 17. But you're not really driving driving, to get like years of experience. Right? Like I can get you a license to drive. That. I mean, you're gonna be good at it. You know, you still need to take your time with it. Like if you're gonna get a gun, I'd rather you be a little bit older, a bit mature and we think you really need one. But no, I understand that I think the age limit should rise in absolutely sure. And number two, I absolutely agree with that shouldn't be a military style assault rifles.

Jeff:

My rule number three. And this is not like an order that could be in any order number three, extensive background testing and checks for anybody trying to apply to even think about purchasing a gun or registering a gun, extensive background tests. And that means I need to know the history if you have a history of violence. If you have any history of depression, if you have a history of dementia of anything if the shit runs in your family you know what I'm saying? If you have any of you that have any criminal record

Anthony:

thing we don't have a national we need a national one with like what mental health checks to like certain states you do not need to go to ait and a background check or an extensive background check. You just got to show him your life and it's just fucking stupid. You get to go. You need to have an extensive background check, run run through the national debt. to base including mental health,

Jeff:

I need to see your experience I need to see every goddamn thing which goes into my four

Anthony:

you can run a credit you can run credit for me to get a car but won't run right like my mental health fresh credit checks for like on the ground floor to

Jeff:

run your credit even if you're not even buying the car, they still run your ship just to see if you qualify to buy the shit.

Anthony:

Right like it like if you if you ask an advisor like we need you to fill out this form preliminary first

Jeff:

and just to let you know it didn't Well, they're gonna It's a soft hit, you're gonna take a soft hit,

Anthony:

right we got we got to run a basis where your mom is where you live what your job is. Once you really want to get this we're gonna go a little bit deeper. But there's gonna be a record of you interested in purchasing a firearm you filled out this form. So we know

Jeff:

from they won't even they won't even let you drive off the lot if you don't have all kinds of insurances bro

Anthony:

they won't let you drop it off you ain't got a license you need a license

Jeff:

you need backgrounds that you need your credit check than you need and you need an insurance you don't got insurance they make you pay it call the insurance company take out a policy right there on the spot before you can drive off

Anthony:

right you got it in like to even test drive a car. You can't you can't like you want to get in when driving around but let me see your license. You cannot do this unless you have the bare minimum the basics net starts with a background check

Jeff:

figures gun they don't excellent none of that shit. Now they really don't ever shot a gun. No, that's okay. $50 you good? Yeah, even before

Anthony:

you get your license before you embark card you got to take like, like you know, a road test. You got to take a driver's ed exam is there certain stipulate out in place

Jeff:

written exams. road test

Anthony:

it before it took a road test you gotta go swim practice for a while to catch up and drive like it's it takes you

Jeff:

months, bro to get in a car and start driving. You can't even drive a car, bro. You can't even buy a car unless you go through all his months and maybe even years of shit. But in 10 minutes, you could go buy a gun. Do you remember how nervous it was when you drove your car after versa? I thought I was gonna hit every park car in the street. Right? And

Anthony:

that's behind a ton and a half in weight machine that can kill somebody by just tapping on the gas pedal. So I think that we probably need a little bit more dedication and standoffishness in regards to like someone owning a gun if you're terrified to be behind a wheel, right? How terrified could be with something in your hand that can influence life in the blink of an eye?

Jeff:

And also, did you know that the Second Amendment it's in its original form says nothing about individuals owning guns? Right? It's like the Bible they just interpreted the way you know, you could write some random words and people just interpreted the way they feel like interpreting the shit.

Anthony:

Right, the basic and forming the militia gives him the right to bear arms. But, but the militia is formed to protect the union to protect the country not to kill its citizens.

Jeff:

Okay, so extensive background tests. And then along with that is comes any violent crimes or offenses automatically disqualifies you from being able to own a gun?

Anthony:

Absolutely Easy, easy, even even on the only way it can be overturned by judges notice something to that degree. But if there was any kind of violent act within the household or whatever, and a person owns a firearm, they should be banned from from they should just just disregard that that gun license period. Sorry. Like I said, unless it's something where it's going to be very, very rare. If someone knows you own a gun, then they call the police when it comes to domestic issue, just to be spiteful toward you. If that's the subject, we explained that we're in court and get your license back, yes. But any history of violence, any kind of assault charge anything regarding anything resolving, and regarding violence, it has to go you can never you can never own a gun license. Again, you can never purchase a firearm again, can never have one again. It's a very simple straightforward thing.

Jeff:

I want the same mental evaluations as a trans person has to undergo you know, how do you make when somebody wants to become trans or change their sex, they make them go through all this evaluation and therapy and psychotherapy and all this should just to make sure this is really what they want to do. And they make you live as the opposite race for whatever it is. Opposites race the opposite sex for like, what of three months or a year? I think it is whatever it is, right? And then if you still want to do it, okay, fine, we'll go ahead and do the operation. I want those same type of evaluations done to these motherfuckers I want to buy guns, you got to go to a therapist, he has to make sure that your mental health is in peak condition. Whatever it is two months, we can decide on two months, three months. Once you're done with that, then I need him to I need the therapist a letter of recommendation signed off by him saying okay, I approve of him owning whatever weapon. He's good. He's saying that whatever, whatever. And if the therapist lie, then you risk having your license revoked for life

Anthony:

that when I disagree with but I get your stamp on it, because the thing about the shootings that have come up none of them are crazy. I

Jeff:

don't know that Though we don't I mean, what define crazy though, that's up for interpretation. There's a challenge, but even this guy, this Rolando guy, obviously he was Hispanic. So you know, they're going to try to say he was a terrorist and he was this and he was that, but he was bullied and he looks like you know, I'm saying he looks like he had issues, killed his grandmother

Anthony:

not challenged. It appears that way. The thing is that for you to be like, you know how to always see like on those TV shows, or someone pleads insanity. You know how difficult that is to prove that someone's insane. They're not insane. That's why the NS five get something for premeditated murder because premeditated means you thought through an act, you're not crazy. You knew exactly what you were doing. You said exactly what you're going to do. You wrote it out. But like, like a buffalo guy, wrote a whole manifesto, exactly what he's going to do. That's not the act of an insane person. And insane person just literally just walk down the street just shoots people at random. These are very specific targets that they chose for specific meaning. What that meaning is, I'm not sure you're not going to get the answer from that one guy because he's dead. But a guy from Buffalo, maybe. But he put in a manifesto there. People want to pump up into illness, because they don't want to think that someone is capable of doing this shit, rationally. They thought this through, it wasn't a random act didn't buy a gun at 12 and said, I'm going to kill people five minutes later. It's really, really thoughtful and put forward. They're not crazy. It just seems so because we can't wrap our minds around the fact that how can someone just waste life to this degree? It's difficult to think about, but it's true. These aren't the acts of entertainment. assassins are not insane. mass shooters are not they go in there with a fucking plan. They don't like Insanity is this, I grab a gun, I grab as much animals I can't and I'm just walking down the street, I'm going to point my gun forward, and I'm just going to shoot. I don't know what's going to come in front of it. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what's going to occur. But I'm going to keep going forward. No matter where I go. I'm going to keep going forward. And I'm going to keep on shooting. No plan at all. The concurrent privacy, someone's saying like they all should have thought through. So do I think in regards to having a background check? Do they need to have a mental health evaluation? Yes. Do we need to go deeper into that? No. Like with trans people, that is a personal choice. To own a gun isn't necessarily a personal choice. Sometimes it's a thing out of fear, it's protection, not retaliatory thing, I'm not going to put a woman through no to three months of therapy, that maybe she was in an abusive relationship and that she needs to have this for her own safety and her own protection. Like I get it. But the majority of people just need to go through a basic background check. They need to know their history. If they have a history of violence, they have opinion history of mental illness, need to make decision from that point, which they probably shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm to kind of go from there, but do our degree to a degree about the mental health part. Yes. Don't believe in like an extensive one. No, it'll get to another point to that, but I don't agree with that. But I understand where you're coming from. Sure. There should be some some mental health aspect. Absolutely. You

Jeff:

know how when you apply for a job, you need at least three referrals when you go buy a car and you're crediting all that they needed some co signers. I'm glad never had that problem. But yes, I'm gonna need some cosigners and some referrals. When you apply to buy a gun, I need three referrals, reputable people that you know, a co worker, a teacher, a boss, some parent saying yeah, I vouch for this individual. I am okay with him owning this fucking rifle.

Anthony:

They do that mistake and it hurts and you got to have three references

Jeff:

again, Jersey this shit doesn't really happen in New Jersey. Right right it should be university this shit in the entire country bro especially those three states that we talked about. Florida Texas and California give me some referral don't even walk in if you don't have a paper with signatures and referrals and letters of recommendations B and phone I need all I should call them this is a process that's going to take weeks maybe months like you're not going to walk in and out the same day with a gun in my in my system

Anthony:

correct Yeah, that's the thing you gotta you gotta you gotta extend the process that should not you should not be able to get a gun fast you can get you know a big man

Jeff:

you can get a gun faster than you could get a fucking fishing license broke

Anthony:

in some states they just walk in bite and that's it like go get groceries go to Walmart

Jeff:

bro in some states yay. Can you know what I'm saying? That

Anthony:

I agree with you

Jeff:

to get a fishing license I have one machine is obviously expired and I haven't gone fishing a long time but my dad loves fishing we went to a fishing ship and we had to fill out all the forms and do all this shit and and show all these IDs and pay all these fees to come up with a fishing license that expires in a few months.

Anthony:

Because only last whatever a year whatever. You're upset. You should reform that about guns too and facts should not be Lifetime should basically be three years, four years,

Jeff:

just like, that's another thing, right? All this shit I'm telling you, you have to go through, after it expires after we could, let's say two years, you have to go through it again. This is my system again,

Anthony:

any skill, any skill professional has to a nurse has to renew their license every year, two years. Same thing, but doctors st like like Laura's at the at the do recertifications. Like these are professional, these are people that

Jeff:

are saving lives. But some take away lives, you don't get to do none of that, okay?

Anthony:

Or even a protect your own, there should be some accountability. Like I said, in that period of time, there's another background check, we run it run through the system one more time, like were there any any criminal allegations and so most of the group, but there any history of violence, that so then you're gonna have to hand over that license gonna have to hand over that gun. Now, regardless of what you paid for it, maybe work on some of the government, maybe they buy it back from you half off, because you ain't gonna ship more. But you don't have to give it up. There are certain laws that come along with it. If you drive your car and you're going to a bunch of accidents, they're going to terminate or suspend your license. If you basically do anything that violates whatever code of ethics that your licenses multiple Ford, it's going to get suspended or revoked. Same thing, a gun license should not last forever, there has to be a time limit.

Jeff:

Rule number seven, and Jeff's gun reform system. I need an evaluation on the address of the where the person lives, right. I mean, roommates, parents, relatives, whoever lives there, they need to be evaluated, I need to know if anybody in this household has a criminal record. Because too many times we've seen that somebody owns a gun in the house and they have it away. And somebody else grabs it right and goes and shoots up some shit. And that gun was my it was my dad's gun. It was my uncle's gun. It was my grandfather's gun, whatever the fuck, right. So I need to see if there's any criminal records in the household, I need to see if there is any record of anybody having violence in the household. All these things will disqualify you. If you put a certain address on the form, we need to investigate this address. Who else lives in this house. If there's any criminals in this house, you disqualified from buying this, you're gonna have to move, or you're gonna have to find another address to put on the form. And then if you do that, we need to prove, you need to provide proof that you live and set address. Because I don't need you buying a gun, and then you take it home and put it away. But your drunk uncle who likes to shoot people lives with you, and he has access to the gun. So you're disqualified from auto gun.

Anthony:

I wouldn't. I wouldn't disqualify them. But, but I will put the Tweak in regards to that, that if, if others are in your household, we do need to know who they are their ages, so on and so forth. And I think the first part about is like if, let's say, if you own a gun, you can the only place that you can go to is say like arrange and like, I think there should be some basic level of qualification and regardless of qualify, like firing a gun and gun safe, but it's not guns is safety. Like, I like I like again, I have two but they're both locked. The only way I can get it if you cut off my right thumb, like they shouldn't be out and you don't

Jeff:

even carry the like in the trunk of your car. In the case locked.

Anthony:

No, like No, I haven't right, I have it in my drawer right here. I have a lockbox and I literally just, there's a thumbprint I just basically do like that, then it unlocks. And then it goes inside and goes out to like, the reason that I have access to it because the people just willing, they're violating the first rules of gun safety. Like if it's if you're not using it should be put away securely, like anything else. It's why you keep knives in the drawer and not on the counter where people can't run into them or cut themselves and so on so forth. The fucking drawer safety, even the basic level of safety, then I've been doing that like you shouldn't have access to like Kyle Rittenhouse, you're not haven't have access to that gun. You shouldn't have had, like, here's the Corvette that goes along with it. Remember, car ridden has got his gun from a friend. So let's say Kyle's house was disbarred, but his friend's house, they're not. And then all of a sudden he goes on it and like takes his gun. Like, I'm not at fault. Like, like I put it here, he brought me here, he took the shit. So it kind of it's tricky, it's understandable, but you should get an understanding of the household that you live in. And if there is someone, let's say with a violent criminal history, I'm not gonna say criminal history because I have my issues with the justice system. Somebody in my head, spend some time for them juiced up shit, or they had to deal with they had to do and they got caught. It was a non violent crime like so a little bit of weed cop scotch, non violent crime. I'm cool with that. But if it's a crime of violence, of assault, robbery, anything of that strong arm doesn't matter if that so that you might have to be disqualified because that is an issue Ultra self creates other problems that we're trying to simplify this process. And that's eliminating the fact So, in regards to a family, I would say as long as if a person does have a criminal record, but it's a non violent offense, I'm okay with it. But if it is violent offense, you're right. You can't have it. Too many things.

Jeff:

Okay, so I said I would ban rifles and assault rifles automatic weapons. I'm only selling handguns B. That's all you get.

Anthony:

You got to sell shotgun hunting rifles, hothouse you can't hunt with a handgun. Okay, fine. You can't find telling you what to do with it. If you ever see somebody go barefoot and you try to shoot a bear with a nine millimeter fuck happened you going back?

Jeff:

The point is I'm banning or anything automatic.

Anthony:

Yeah, sorry for the automatic weapons you don't need Correct. Even like a rifle like you have the chamber like click click click boom, click click click boom. But like a bolt action rifle, but not like an automatic rifle and you don't need a magazine with like 60 Fucking bullets in it

Jeff:

either dude had 100 rounds be you don't need that many and then be able to sell some final rule would be I need some harsh penalties bro for violating any of the above rules. Like I'm talking about give them jail time. Automatic disqualification from ever owning a gun. If you violate any one of these. Like, if we catch you lying on the form, that's it. You're subject to fees and penalties and fines and jail time up to whatever we agree on. And then you can no longer apply for a gun because you fucked it up.

Anthony:

That's it is a very simple process. It's it's like like your rules like not attend mines is pretty much the same thing. I just take like the main ones, that basically you get you get the ban assault rifles, military style assault rifles. Again, if you're if you're not in the service, you don't need one, if you want one, go join a service to universal background checks, including mental health checks. Three, probably most importantly, a limit on the magazine capacity. Like you should not have a any kind of weapon that can hold more than its maximum level of like, like my nine millimeter holes 18, I can buy an extended mag to put on it put like 30 additional bullets, you don't need that you need to you need to ban and limit Max Max, Max Max magazine capacity is three and four. And most importantly, it's a license licenses expire. When you want to expire, you need to go through this process again. And I probably Lastly, I think there needs to be proper training. And that needs to and I mean real training, not none of that not sitting in front of the screen and watch a video training. You need to have hands on dry fire with an instructor to make sure you're doing all properly to make sure that you're like loading and reloading the proper the weapon properly. Cleaning it properly storing it properly, like the basics, kind of like a car, like like, of course you know how to drive but you gotta know how to break, right, you can't just slam on the brakes or slam on the gas or yank the wheel left for you to go right you have to learn the mechanics that go along with it and you get better and better with it over time. But eventually your license expires, you have to renew it. Same thing with a gun license, proper training, proper technique, time comes, you get retested again, you recertify your background check comes easy should be a breeze. But you got to put some kind of like hurdles in front of this the fact that this kid's doing it without much in his way of him even getting a gun is ridiculous. And I know that we're going to be preachy about it. And I know that we're going to say like, you know, we need to do this, we need to do that we haven't done it. Now, all the things in proposals that we've come along, you think that you've been talking about for decades now? Or they're going to change it because of this incident in in Texas? I would hope so. But I'm American, I understand how cynical I can be how it's made me that way. Because I know that you guys really don't do shit again. You guys killed drone, white kids, and you also don't want to change gun gun laws. And if you think this is gonna be the tipping point, I hope so. Because I think we're kind of dealing with it. And we're kind of tired of talking about it, but it shouldn't allow us to, like, you know, get weaker over it or just be dismayed or to stop caring. I think the thing is that we realize that a lot of people care a lot about what's going on. This might be like the tipping point, I would hope so I really do. And I will hope that things aren't going to change and they're going to get better. But we got to deal with the fact that we have a gun problem until we actually get both sides of the aisle to actually agree upon it and fix something about it. We're gonna be doing the same old song and dance room real soon. What as a matter of fact, remember, was it when we did the episode about buffalo, I said before the years out, I said but like, at least five more hours, right? So like I said, this is what we do. And I know I I wasn't saying that to be funny. I just know how this goes. I know there's going to be a mass shooting because until they actually do something to really rein this all in. It's going to continue until that changes. It's not much that we can do it. But just keep, you know, speaking up for your congressmen and senators and trying to do something about this and speak to those people just like you said, you want change if they can't change get

Jeff:

America, like you said at the beginning, they don't give a shit about kids. I feel like in this country, the government cares about kids when they're fetuses only. They make a big fuss about abortions and all of this shit, once the baby is born, you're on your own power, they don't give a fuck. Once you're born, I've had a little buddy. When you're in that womb, they're like, oh, we can't get rid of like your life. We're pro we're pro life and all of this bullshit. Why can't we be pro life when they're born and when they're living their life?

Anthony:

There's so many things that go along with this. And if they really wanted to make change that would have done so by now, hopefully, that's the tipping point for them to do so. But I can't I can't guarantee that they're going to change anything in all honesty.

Jeff:

And as we speak while we're recording this, President Biden along with his wife, they're on their way now to Texas to volunteer to speak and to, you know, pay their respects to the families and shit. And they'll say,

Anthony:

Don't don't pay me no respects. Man, go go get figured out, they always they do this all the time. We are so performative. We need to put up our little prayer hands and thoughts and prayers, fuck thoughts and prayers, actions and laws need to be done to get things the funny thing about thoughts and prayers, and when a tragedy happens, God ain't got nothing to do with it. He doesn't guys that's literally not getting involved in this shit. Right? This is yo God didn't stop them bullets. There was no magician that came down from the heavens that said, pause and stop all this from happening. God got nothing to do with this, you need to talk to your senators, you need to talk to your politicians to make sure that they are making the exact changes to to protect your children. Like this is one of the weird things. I'll talk about that about it when he was growing up. And we're going to do three generations his hours in your son's right. When he was growing up. They had to duck under desk or flip them over. Because they thought a nuclear bomb was gonna go off. And our generation, we didn't flip over any desk or anything. But we had to get up and go out in a single file. Because of a fire drill. Kids this generation have have an active shooter drill. Like we have to take these deaths over and barricade the doors and hide in places. Because this is the reality that we live in. He lived in a time where they were worried about nuclear bombs. We were living in a time where there might be the cracker and things going on outside of school. But inside of school safety was there because all our concern was the building catches fire, we need to find a way out here. Schools are now doing like monthly or bimonthly active shooter drills, where they had to teach children how to hide and how to run, and where to hide and how to barricade the door. And to stay away from like an open door. Think that degree and this is the society that we live in. That this is what we have to teach kids. Instead of teaching about, you know, math and science and politics and history or whatever, pe shit. We live in a world where we got to teach them how to survive, like not survive the world, but it's survived the day survive being inside a place where you're supposed to learn. If this is what we're doing, and we still don't see that it's a problem. I don't know what resolution can come besides the things that we've talked about. That's really going to cause massive change. Because if that's our new normal, I really don't want to be a part of it.

Jeff:

Talking about he might he might part in $10,000 of student loan debt, but to the $50,000 Motherfucker.

Anthony:

You know what? I'm cool with splitting it. I'm cool with splitting the baby and making it 25.

Jeff:

I'm cool with 25. Well, we can split debate real quick. Real quick. I wanted to ask you on this, because Obama tweeted something the other day on the 25th he tweeted, and people he got backlash from news on the comments on the threads. He said as we grieve the children of ivaldi. Today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him. I'm sorry man, that should rubbed me the wrong way. I don't know how you felt about it. I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

Anthony:

violence begets violence because it almost felt like all right, I'm

Jeff:

not brushing the George Floyd shit away under the rug. His family got just as though like it almost seemed like he was disregarding the children that just die. Like we just lost 20 Children bro little babies, bro. He was like, alright, let's disregard that. Because I don't want to talk about this gun shit. Let's talk about George Floyd again. So it actually kind of rubbed

Anthony:

me the wrong way. Because it's going to pick it that way. Because you're apparently did you feel as Do you feel as intense when a buffalo shooting happened?

Jeff:

To be honest. No, we're not saying heartless about I'm like, Yeah, we talked about I was like, Yo, this is bullshit. This just has to stop. But then when it happens to little kids, it hits I said it from the beginning. It hits me a different.

Anthony:

Right? It's going to because it's a personal stake involved. Because it's your nightmare come true because you think you can drop your kids off to a place and go ahead to work. But I had to think of like, like, if I drop my kid off to school today, is this gonna be the last time I see them? And No parent wants to think that and No parent wants that to be a reality, but it is reality again, we're going to run all the way back to Sandy Hook. Like I said before, it happened then. And like I said, those are white kids. And they walked into that school and he blew their asses away. And they didn't change anything. And I was I would say, I doesn't want to sound like a wall, just mashing. That's when I said about like Jesus Christ, man, like these, like, these are underneath. They can't defend themselves their small children. And since then has has security update schools? No. It's not like we're running right here. bulletproof glass? No. Have we done anything about the mental health of the youth of America or calls me shooters? Because remember, these aren't being done by elderly people. The last you shouldn't vote by people. 18 years old, they were kids themselves. So no, they haven't done anything an overall sense for the health of this nation. I think what you're getting every action from in regards to all these shootings, is you're seeing the come up into an unhealthy nation. And I don't mean like food wise, I mean, mentally, like something is making these people crack to make them think like, this is a functional response to the ills of the world. Not you know, but you know, not protesting, not not writing your your, your, your local government, none of that you're doing none of the above your responses, like, you know what, I'm going to pick up an arm and I'm going to do what I think is right, and the fact that they think that this norm was a fucked up part. So it's, I understand we need to do something about gun violence, but we need to do something about the health mentally of the United States in general, to really, like, enact some kind of change, because they're not crazy, but they are ill. And we have to find some way to fix that illness. And the first one is place to start. It's unlimited access to these weapons.

Jeff:

Truer words have never been spoken. And yo real quick, I didn't know you could die of a broken heart bro, which was apparently the case and one of the teachers that was murdered. Her husband passed away like you know, what, days later? And the official cause of death was grief. Yeah, like this shit is

Anthony:

crazy. Like when people say they did out of a broken heart like you spent your entire life with this person and was taken away from you, and such a horrific and terrible manner. And now that you're not going to have any more yet heartbreak can kill you. And his grief called a heart attack and that even outside of shooting That's the saddest thing to hear. But like there's another another tragedy brought about because of these actions itself. And like I said, that's another life loss. So for

Jeff:

elicits let's let's end the show will positively we've got some good news, Mikey and Rin. One of our Patreon was one of our resident guests, one of our buddies and his wife, they have a podcast called a Mikey and Rin eat in and on their latest episode, Episode 98, which they appropriately named baby on board, they announced that they are expecting a baby read is actually 13 weeks pregnant. So they are entering the second trimester. And all right, Congrats, man. We were really happy for you guys. We know that. You know it's been a hard journey for you guys because they're originally their podcast was called the Mikey and Rin stay in and they talked about you know, their infertility, infertility. My saying that right? Infertility, fertility, you like that? Correct. So if you check out their latest episode, Episode 98, right from the jump, they they go into it. And they talked about how you know, they're finally pregnant and you're finally expecting and they talk a little bit about, you know, the struggle that they went through and everything that they went through, so I'm very happy for them. Shout out to ya.

Anthony:

If that kid's middle name, and Anthony I'm Duffing. Ooh. And he put in a lot of pressure on Mikey I don't care if my middle name my name or the kid or you can

Jeff:

Michael you can still have Michael Anthony sheeter

Anthony:

that sounds like a good credit name right there. Let that let it flow

Jeff:

or you can flip him Anthony and Michael sheeter.

Anthony:

Then I like the middle I like the middle I don't want full ownership. So

Jeff:

your name I'm after Mikey. So Michael Anthony. Let's do ourselves though. I'm telling you throw my name in it.

Anthony:

That's absolutely not you

Jeff:

have a third name Michael Anthony Jeff. Jefferson. Michael just put Jefferson Anthony sheeter

Anthony:

There you go. Jazz Jay Ooh,

Jeff:

that sounds dope. I grew up to be a DJ we

Anthony:

see we're working out right DJ jazz Sorry dad

Jeff:

man. We see Mikey get a diagnosis in the shit Jefferson rant the nice sheet there this that's what this kid's name better be.

Anthony:

Everyone's gonna be like absolutely not fuck them guys. We're gonna name are we gonna name like, All right, cool. All right. It's your womb.

Jeff:

Michael Curran. We're happy for you guys go. Shout out to a coach or crew. Oh, and one final tad bit. Or tidbit. tidbit. All my words today man. A man shooting shit got me depressed. Remember that kid? Got to remember that kid positive. Shawn from Twitter. Yes, he finally paid

Anthony:

up about goddamn time. I don't know maybe heard about the GM.

Jeff:

We didn't talk about it last week. He actually paid last week after he I heard you saying you're gonna show up at his door and steal up everything in his house with a gun and shit. I don't know if he got scared. I'm not gonna say he got scared I'm not gonna speak for the man maybe he'll come on the show one day and say what happened? But a couple of days later, I randomly got the notification on my phone and said you got $50 from Shawn, whatever the fuck his last name was. And I'm like, oh shit, and it was like through Paypal or some shit and I was like Word or Zell lug man and he was like, Hey Jeff, I was always gonna pay you man. I was just writing it I was

Anthony:

really okay well shit. Of course you were alright we're good now

Jeff:

we are if I should I don't know if I should thank you for the for the threats

Anthony:

no no threats no one no threat you're gonna come up off that I'm sorry. Like don't don't ask it like that if you owe money up how many how many times we have bets and I paid up pretty much damn near me instantly. Right like alright last week and I'm just saying wait a minute. Yeah, but my man has stalled here. Yeah, his style of doing industries like look at me. I met this game I mean, this seems like we're mag

Jeff:

style annoying you that was the nine is all

Anthony:

in well, for that do did Cal is? Sure. That's it. I'm glad he's able to honor his debts and pay up good

Jeff:

shout out to the Yankee chat. Yo, I usually ended with a with a quote. But today I think it's just more appropriate. We ended with a moment of silence. pays your

Unknown:

had in the last 10 days we've had elderly black people killed in a supermarket. In Buffalo. We've had Asian churchgoers killed in Southern California and now we have children murdered at school. When are we going to do something? I'm tired. I'm so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to to the devastated families that are out there. I'm so tired of the excuse me, I'm sorry. I'm tired of the moments of silence. Enough. There's 50 senators, right now who refused to vote on HRA, which is a background check rule that the House passed a couple of years ago. It's been sitting there for two years. And there's a reason they won't vote on it to hold on to power. So I asked you, Mitch McConnell ask all of you senators who refuse to do anything about the violence in school shootings and supermarket shootings, I asked you, are you going to put your own desire for power ahead of the lives of our children and our elderly and our church goers? Because that's what it looks like. It's what we do every week. I'm fed up. I've had enough, but I want every person here every person listening to this to think about your own child or grandchild, or mother or father or sister brother. How would you feel if this happened to you today? We can't get numb to this. We can't sit here and just read about it and go well sell a moment of silence. Yeah, go Dubs. You know. Come on, MAVs Let's go. That's what we're gonna do. We're gonna go play a basketball game. And 50 senators in Washington are going to hold us hostage. You realize that 90% of Americans, regardless of political party want background checks, universal background checks. 90% of us. We are being held hostage by 50 senators in Washington who refused to even put it to a vote. Despite what we the American people want. They won't vote on it because they want to hold on to their own power. It's pathetic have had enough