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Sept. 27, 2021

Illmatic Vs. Reasonable Doubt

Illmatic Vs. Reasonable Doubt

In this episode Jeff and Ant welcome Mikey-She to dissect, breakdown, and compare Nas' Illmatic and Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt. 2  of the most classic Hip-Hop albums of all time. Along the way they will sing, laugh, and analyze. Yes, the boys sing some of their favorite R&B classics all while discussing all things Hip-Hop culture along the way. They even discuss the transportation of cocaine. (Disclaimer: we do NOT encourage nor condone the use, selling, or transporting of illegal drugs.)

Topics Discussed:

  • AJ Johnson's death
  • The upcoming Fugees reunion tour
  • What's the proper high school graduation song?
  • Dru Hill Verzuz Boyz II Men?  Do they want that smoke?
  • Liquid Cocaine
  • Coca-Cola
  • Ghetto word of the week
  • Is 1998 the best year in rap history?
  • Who has the best classic album Jay-Z or Nas?

Featured Song: Halftime - Nas

Ghetto Word of the Week: Copt
Urban Dictionary: copt

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Jeff:

Yo yo yo yo yo what are what are what are what? Episode 62 of the culture is your boy Jeff I got my man with me and we got Mike today Mikey she's in the building today for this so this is a illmatic versus Reasonable Doubt episode we're gonna break down to two albums and we're gonna come to a conclusion once and for all these are two iconic rappers probably the two best rappers out of New York two iconic and classic albums that are 20 plus years old.

Mikey:

What's that sound for?

Jeff:

I would say he's

Anthony:

made it as a whole like you just like two best rappers out of New York like probably didn't exist

Jeff:

I'm saying these are two of the best they're their most everybody's top five

Anthony:

right you said the best like like big didn't exist like rock him didn't exist like lol didn't exist.

Jeff:

Yeah, I think yeah, I think Jay and NAS have surpassed all those just because they're martyrs don't mean you know i mean anyway

Anthony:

contains a hard

Mikey:

argument contain these I would say that these two albums are mean like these are the top in the top five. I mean yeah albums of all time for sure. No question.

Anthony:

I think if you think in the center New York hip hop is these two albums. Really? ease Yeah.

Jeff:

Speaking of martyrs real quick rest in peace to AJ Johnson Yo, he was only 55 years old man he was he Zeo everybody remembers him as he Zeo from the Friday movies

Anthony:

okay all right. All right, hold on who died before him? Then somebody died before him

Jeff:

in the culture? Yeah, I don't know but I know AJ Johnson died a few days ago. We still don't know what he died over.

Anthony:

No, no, it's fucked up this family hasn't put out a GoFundMe man you'll get life insurance man Oh,

Jeff:

man like a nice to play them out and all the other Friday movies icecube actually put it put something out and say Yo my bad recipes my bad I couldn't put you in the last you know Friday movies and shit like that. He said he also played Eazy E in the music videos he played Eazy E twice he played Eazy E on the Drake video where he This is easy number Oh yeah. Dre day and then he also played and then he also played the bootleg easy on easy ease answer back to fuck Dre day real city geez or whatever it is. I'm gonna jump as as

Mikey:

an outsider and stuff too.

Anthony:

There we go. It comes to see black boys had to think about like death comes in threes. Yeah, so Michael k Williams that we talked about Ed Johnson died and in Melvin van Peebles just died. Okay. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, where's the sleeping bags as bad as song?

Jeff:

Yo AJ Johnson was also in house party I didn't remember he was in this ship. House Party Fridays I mean like he played the same character so he was always typecast it as the same you know I mean, type of horrible type of hood, homeless type of character.

Anthony:

Right? ego what it checks is that man if you're paying me to do this shit and you're paying me to do this shit, should I feel the rain? Sure, but

Mikey:

I would be typecast as anything you want me to be is just like Hey, I'll catch a $50,000 jacket playing a lunatic done I'm there.

Jeff:

Yes. And before we got on me and was talking about we want to get tickets to the new Fuji store. Tickets actually go on sale. Tomorrow. We're recording this on Thursday. Tickets going on sale on Friday. The Fuji is coming back together she we've been waiting for this shift for what 20 years.

Mikey:

But like it was saying though, isn't it just all like bots that are picking it up? Now there's like no chance to even get tickets on sale the first round you're almost always getting them Second. Second round for

Jeff:

people gonna be selling them on eBay for like $1,000 for bleaches.

Mikey:

Hmm, that'd be a dope show. Who are they? Who is it with?

Anthony:

It'll be nobody else. It's just because like I said price can play as soon as Wyclef completes more clear Come on like it's they

Jeff:

right right right cuz I was gonna say their catalog as a crew and really that extensive they only got the score because the first album was nappy roots or whatever was trash but like you say yeah they could play you know why club got a bunch of songs that he'll play Lauren or play her shift from miseducation proshow he'll play his you know ghetto superstars with odb and Maya like to turn it to a three hour event

Mikey:

what was what was the long hair do that was with them john john. JOHN forte that's what john Ford today

Anthony:

let me Google that. Did john get out of prison?

Mikey:

Johnny? Oh boy, we're gonna find out john Forte's dead to

Anthony:

No no, no, no, I remember john got locked up for some other shit. And once we got out of prison,

Mikey:

john forte was way more handsome than I remember.

Anthony:

to that and in 2000 john 14 was arrested at North International Airport at accepting a briefcase containing $1.4 million worth of liquid cocaine. He was convicted intended to the mandatory minimum 14 years of being found guilty and incarcerated and a low security federal prison in Central Florida. had to be Florida. No surprise so he's released obviously, his sentence got commuted and he was released in 2008 so he's been in prison for eight years Okay,

Jeff:

so you got to do for the book right?

Mikey:

About liquid cocaine what's liquid?

Jeff:

She just put that shit in soda? I mean it's Coca Cola and you cool it down? Is that like cola?

Mikey:

Okay down on that becomes coke

Anthony:

it's fucking cocaine as liquid man is in the writing i don't know i don't sell dope.

Mikey:

Sounds delicious. It

Jeff:

sounds like I don't know just like

Mikey:

the best energy drink ever.

Jeff:

Yo real quick before we started before we get into this j and na shit let me just do my get a word of the week if you guys don't mind get a word of the week in India and this word has another shot later but the word of the ghetto Word of the Week is going to be caught co PT is how I spell it other spells Corp or clpp but it means to capture to catch to purchase to swipe or to steal and you know I guess I don't know if it came from the term Copley like I'm copping a plea you know I'm saying but we use it as like yo I just kept these easy's you know I just got new tires I just got new tires for my car you know basically just to get acquire something and we hear rappers use it all the time and they song but I

Anthony:

use your own like cocaine liquid cocaine cops get on

Jeff:

your why is still allowed to use the word coke in the name of their brand?

Anthony:

Because Because Because it's not k okay D is c o la Yeah, but

Jeff:

we all know that cocaine in it that's why it's called coke.

Mikey:

Right? Coca Cola co ca may feel

Anthony:

like it's not right but it's not co ke co la Coco like meth.

Mikey:

Can we talk we talk about the liquid cocaine thing was he trying to fly with it? Like liquids are the hardest thing to get on a plane?

Anthony:

No No he wasn't flying with a semi fluid and he was picking it up I mean $1.4 million worth of liquid cocaine man is a lot of coke. Coke mash well how many how many years he got he got he got 14 but he did a he got incentives got transmute whatever the fuck it is. They let him go at a community Thank you can you do that the AFL don't tell coke

Mikey:

don't do that.

Jeff:

I saw I saw some shit that somebody had posted that said um what was it something about oh if you get a loan from a bank you'll spend like 30 years trying to pay it back but if you rob a bank you only get like eight years for the crime so might as well just try to rob the bank yeah all types

Mikey:

are the whole system is but it's a foul and I think and I think it's wild how like how you can get student loans fuckin easiest how but you can't get a mortgage so you can't buy a house but you can get debt forever for going to college.

Jeff:

Oh danis that's facts

Anthony:

The only way only way again like a loan for a house like your credit gonna be cracking like like I could do right now cuz i think i think my FICO scores like 785 damn so I so I get a house it's not the whole getting is the whole 40 mishit

Jeff:

sure what else get up put it put a nice down payment down and they'll hand you the keys immediately.

Anthony:

They blame Oh, they have really good credit score. Yeah, I do just need to put $20,000 down we can work this out

Jeff:

of IDs and we need you to sign 286 pieces of paper.

Mikey:

Yes.

Anthony:

Hey man, you heard about the first shit like drew here. I poppin cache it everybody. Drew Hill, Drew Hill poppin cache it too. I think it was 112 jagadesh odyssee. And yeah, and he tried to call out boys and men. They don't they don't want

Jeff:

that. They don't got nine foot boys to member I need to relax. No one does that.

Anthony:

No one does.

Jeff:

No B group.

Anthony:

Not Not a single one. Not one.

Mikey:

No, let's see if he even brought out Mike.

Anthony:

Like the only chance they might have is like if it's new edition, but it's like the sun has outshine the father and some people like that. No, I

Mikey:

don't I don't even think they would have it. No, no,

Anthony:

no one does. No

Mikey:

and this is like and it's kind of like a wanye is jdks sort of experience like you could just put one day on stage and it's like yeah, he's gonna eat everyone's lunch.

Jeff:

What about 112? Then the ad bed

Mikey:

totally. There it's like, who even has like slim can do something no one else in the bar. I don't even remember the name of the band.

Jeff:

I used to fuck with Dru Hill boy

Mikey:

Oh I love drill I dude all those bands are fucking great luck with them.

Jeff:

What's his name was my shit at least the dragon knows my album. Oh, who was that? What's his name? Cisco. Engineer dragon.

Mikey:

I proposed to my wife to jagadesh

Anthony:

yeah nothing nothing for that

Mikey:

dude I saw I saw this person that I don't even know they had a graduation nothing this person this person that I don't even know showed me a HIPAA hit

Anthony:

told me Sorry Go ahead.

Mikey:

We Hey. I'm holding my ear my sixth grade graduation video nobody wanted to take it in

Anthony:

Ukraine Come on. Come on Jeff for your wife Come on. Come on. Buddy. Make

Jeff:

magmatic versus

Anthony:

No Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. They go. They go wish

Mikey:

for those of you at home Jeff is now pouring a bubble bath in the background.

Anthony:

candles lit he hasn't gotten a romance he out he lives in

Mikey:

so many rose petals I can't even see

Anthony:

his blinding to me oh my dad so written that background tell you

Mikey:

to that end of the road. I was just gonna say this person I don't even know showed me a music montage like a graduation video for their kids fifth grade graduation and shows all the kids like you know, painting and doing all the different things and then end of the road was playing and I was like, just weeping.

Anthony:

Sounds like like if your school didn't graduate to end of the row your school was trash? Totally it Jeff. Did your school play into the route? They did not. And that is exactly why you want to position your life right now because you did not end up my proper fucking note. was supposed to be our rule. We'll be here on what is it? 20 years

Jeff:

I remember what they played to be on. But

Mikey:

I graduated in 1999 and it was so as prints 1999. And then it was a fuck What's that? It was Green Day song was our school graduate high school graduation song.

Jeff:

I graduated in 2002. They played that Macho Man Randy Savage shit was the sheer

Anthony:

circumstance. Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan.

Jeff:

And we're all throwing our shit up in the air and then picking it up.

Mikey:

Why is it the Macho Man Randy Savage thing, because that's

Anthony:

his thing, because I used to come out in the market came into graduations. With a call. I think it's called like pomp and circumstance.

Mikey:

circumstance is that what do you mean Randy Savage. Come on average.

Anthony:

90% certain

Jeff:

as you talk, everybody's dead. He died in a car accident years ago. Oops. Sorry about that. seatbelts everybody. Yeah, anyway. She got Darkwing Duck shit, man. Let's do it. We're gonna dissect the automatic versus Reasonable Doubt automatic is what 25 years old now she came out in 94. And Reasonable Doubt is what just turned 2020 right. September 11. d s 20.

Mikey:

September 11 was a

Jeff:

was blueprint a blueprint blueprint so what year was a reasonable doubt?

Mikey:

Reasonable Doubt was 95 maybe

Anthony:

reasonable cuz I have it up right here reasonable that was in 1996.

Jeff:

Okay, so it's two years older or younger than that, no matter

Anthony:

no matter and to and to note, these are the only two artists that have two five Michael words on the source from the source Really? Jay Jay has it for the blueprint has a reasonable doubt the only difference is that the reasonable doubt was I think it was a four mark that he bumped it up to a five later on illmatic and stillmatic were both five they would never upgraded they were both five off the written.

Jeff:

And it's funny too that one Reasonable Doubt didn't go Platinum to like years years

Anthony:

later.

Jeff:

Hmm, yeah. Like it kept selling. He's

Mikey:

no doubt I remember when I came out. I remember being in high school one night when I got it when I copped it, and I thought I would have thought it went platinum right off the bat. It

Anthony:

didn't. It's one of those things like in the beginning, it was like the introduction of Jay as a storyteller could the album is pretty much a concept from like a guy who deals dope who wants to find his way out he's right hook to the life and everything else like that. That's one thing will make a difference because it's not it's not a story that's being told. It's literally like the view of this guy sitting in his project just just writing the story of the life around him like it wasn't a life that NAS lived it was just more like I'm so perceptive of everything going around environment and I can put it in a way that's so crystal clear and it doesn't help that she got mad he got he got from deer moose in the whole fucking album and you know you can

Jeff:

check it out but check it out. He also has q tip on a couple songs and he also has a couple of songs so yeah, pewter large Professor premiere

Mikey:

huh like insane

Jeff:

and that's your debut album?

Mikey:

Yeah right. This is like then what's interesting about that time period for premiere as well was like premiere was like he was doing this for NAS he was doing mlps first album like premiere was working with a fucking whole bunch of people who like didn't blow as much as as others but like his his production work around this time was I think his best production work ever.

Jeff:

He also has he also has Pete Rock on one or two songs. Producer NAS does Yeah, he rock j on that and does have premiere as well on reasonable dough premieres on there or obviously he has a What's this dude hitting dash from premier Clark kid

Anthony:

and Dame dash Earth Guardian Guardian right so it was the weapon brandnames arms and right but it but they're not they're not Pete Rock they're not you know they're not DJ Premier they're not like wrestling this look right those guys were the stars of East Coast hip hop period like in one of their authentic sound you had to go to them there's not even premiere but really especially Pete Lark Professor Dillard professor for shear and they were like it's like a connection between the past to hip hop to the present collected you have in q2 you'd have these four Gods producing arguably the greatest rap album of all time I haven't I'm more I think about it's probably number two when I think about it because the only difference is I have the have the chronic number one and the only reason why is this I don't think is the better arm I think Snoop Doggy style is better. But with the chronic we spoke about the chronic literally introduced a completely different sound to hip hop. That g funk shit just blew everybody's mind. Yeah, but not just cinematic storytelling of like, the struggle and the way of the world around him is what makes a great actually I don't think that is best I still think still Matic is better than illmatic I agree. The total album as a total cohesive project

Jeff:

I think so much but to me, no matter

Mikey:

no matter what better album to me, to me, but illmatic has better songs has better individual songs, but not as a total pack

Jeff:

like it was ran. And I like I am obviously more than illmatic but I get the significance of illmatic it was the first of its kind but let's let's get into it. Can I play the first song?

Mikey:

And so who's got him for who?

Jeff:

I'm going to play now his record? Yep, he'll

Mikey:

have an answer. reppin are you and are you guys standing behind these like do you Thank you, Jeff, do you think that Mac is a better album than reasonable doubt?

Jeff:

I've never said that. And okay, I'll once we analyze and that's like, the first time I've actually compared the two and I'm gonna be unbiased I'm gonna be legit about it.

Mikey:

So we're all going to come we're all going to score each song I recommend that

Anthony:

you start from the top it's mine.

Jeff:

Yeah, so that starts off with the Genesis.

Unknown:

When I was 12

Jeff:

I went to hell if nothing else from live at the barbecue, right.

Mikey:

So good class. Beat

Jeff:

what Jay Z starts off with

Anthony:

and that and that's the beauty of that album because the whole thing was I think that's the big difference between reasonable doubt and illmatic you kind of sort of heard noise before with no jazz Oh and I love the the rapid fire rapid he's the have like kind of mimicking what jazz Did you knew of him but I mean if you knew of him and that kind of when that part of town you know like Shawn Carter hustler someone's neck and shit. Yeah, but the whole thing is like, everybody who was anybody in hip hop was waiting for illmatic once they heard that verse off or laughing the barbecue, right? Like Who the fuck is that? When is his album coming out? like totally? Like, come on, man. You went to hell for snuff. And Jesus says that like that's a wild wine to begin with.

Mikey:

And what was he 16 maybe

Anthony:

when he was on it, like 1617 years old. That's

Mikey:

nuts. Dude, who

Anthony:

was this young boy started off with that so reasonable that the lead trackers can Knock the Hustle. Well, Jay Z and Mary J. Blige.

Mikey:

So good.

Jeff:

That's one of those videos one of the best opening songs of all time.

Mikey:

So smooth.

Jeff:

One of them songs that are timeless.

Mikey:

I just remember these two items sitting against each other and it's like Yo, man, it was like gritty, grimy.

Unknown:

Chili with enough bill money to free your pig Willie's high stakes. shopping sprees, caffeine three Yes.

Anthony:

I'd literally love that phone too much. Have you ever had that song title tattooed on my arm?

Mikey:

Rarely do you really come up never noticed

Anthony:

this because they don't come arms they can't

Mikey:

that's great. And you guys do remember the video?

Anthony:

Yes, like I can wait it comes in there with a little witch called like I said it it sets the automatic part from that album for like, a man like like I'm this hustler on this move Do they like live in the song and kind of feel like fall apart and, and collapse or whatever. But at that moment is like I'm at the pinnacle of this like I'm out here shining on my head doing my thing. I'm out here hustling you can't knock when I'm doing like no one's better. And like, that's the perfect intro to it. I think the Genesis really works well. Because like it's like, if you close your eyes and just press play, you are automatically in New York. You hear the train tracks you did live the barbecue verse you hear AZ just out here talking everything else that it takes you to a place, but they both do like they're cinematic in their own views, like Jay is creating this character and I'm going to show you his life, not just like no, this is my life. And I'm going to show you how to guide you through it. So they're both open production

Mikey:

when I listened to both those albums like the well that like intro to knauss album made me want to go and buy Tim's and like an art like army fatigues and Jay Z's album maybe want to buy a white scarf.

Jeff:

I don't know I might have to give that one to Jay I like that song man I love you know, when I pop on a CD, I want to listen to the music, you know, man, and I feel we're and we're saying about the whole skit because it sets up the rest of the album but

Mikey:

if it's your album It's a classic intro right? Yeah,

Jeff:

it's a short album illmatic is only 10 tracks and they wasted one on that scare. So now it's only nine songs that you know got to look forward to you know,

Anthony:

I'm saying that was one of the weird things about hip hop back then like for some reason you had to have a skit like I said like I said I don't have the chronic up really high. Like literally just to create it. But as an album I hate it cuz like yo, it's like nine skits like yo SHUT THE FUCK big great because they're funny. Like the pyramid is still hilarious. Love that shit. Just replay it like, like they really haven't they really doing $1,000 $10,000 Pyramid over a sack of weed.

Mikey:

And then there's the one where it's the Dr. Dre and like the woman's coming in looking for Dr. Dre and then she's Jason the office fucking the patient.

Anthony:

Yeah, then it's weird. It's like Paul for porno. Yeah.

Mikey:

Well, dude, it's like, this is like not one of the best albums but organized confusion. Fairmont, they had the album the equinox and I just downloaded it recently on Spotify. And I think 30% of the album is skits. Damn,

Unknown:

it's amazing. It's

Mikey:

like every third songs a skit What the fuck,

Jeff:

I'm not feeling it.

Mikey:

It was such a time it was at a time in place.

Jeff:

So this is what turns it up. Now a second track comes on and this is your freedom.

Unknown:

With fake niggas don't make it back. raffles a monkey flipping with the knob the kick is the composition of pain I'm facing 16 bullet holes left in my street close me and knocking out them

Jeff:

That's a tough track to follow. So good what Jay got

Mikey:

you guys do you know who do you guys know who Christopher Wallace smartness from Caden play? I don't know he co wrote the song that song with us. Really? I don't know what that is.

Jeff:

Lauren is the dude from kitten play. Oh is it she mad it's gonna be I can't be the same Christopher Martin.

Anthony:

See now let's go to the Google machine let's go ahead and say Christopher Martin nice that's a nice day. Yes, it was gonna simplify.

Jeff:

Pretty sure that's one of the kitten play cuts

Mikey:

like the lighter skinned dude with the tall no no

Anthony:

Jesus Christ. You know Christopher Martin. Oh, DJ Premier his real name Christopher Edward Martin.

Jeff:

One of the kid in plays is also Christopher Martin

Anthony:

right right yeah yeah. Once for Martin but Chris Martin and the other

Jeff:

one is Christopher something else read or whatever the fuck it is.

Mikey:

Oh Chris Yeah Chris Martin's the darker skinned dude and Chris read it because for read is

Anthony:

chris chris chris Barnes Cade Chris redisplay was affectionately known as DJ Premier that's his name

Mikey:

Oh that's great

Jeff:

Don't ask me how to do that bro they put producer DJ Premier and composer then they put his real name so what he gets credit he gets like two separate checks

Mikey:

you might get a two credits on it for a Yeah, when I see him on the street next I'm gonna say Chris Christopher

Jeff:

there's a there's definitely a reason why we do that because if you look at a lot of songs they'll do that they'll put like their fake name your real name the rap they'll put like three different names on different

Mikey:

domains their dog's name Yeah.

Jeff:

It'll be like Diddy Puff Daddy Shawn call

Anthony:

like that's for name for checks cut them cut them and they all got lcsw and then he just

Mikey:

he pops off camera for a second comes back with a mustache and I'm also in the boot camp take my other checklist

Jeff:

in the background doing vocals that's another check

Anthony:

that's what did he did did he take that take that take that like yo you getting a check for this

Mikey:

for every can't stop won't stop go

Jeff:

read that book dancing with the devil by forgot the dude's name from used to be a bad boy Mark curry and he writes about that shit how that's how that's how did he be fucking people over yo that's one of the ways he does it you know I'm saying he you know he's technically producing the song and then he's in every song even if he's just saying take that in the background. But he counts that as you know as a vocal so he gets credit for that and every song he gets credit for saying something on the song for producing it for making the beat and then of course you're on his label so

Mikey:

it's so interesting when you get Penny well dude I was listening to this interview with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis the other day and and I think it was Jimmy Jam no movie was Terry Lewis was on background vocals for a Janet song and he's literally just he's just doing like just a little you know accentuation in the background and he's like Dude, I've made so much money off he's like I made more money off that than I did off the production

Anthony:

the way go so the second trick on Reasonable Doubt was politics as usual while was not like this

Unknown:

in the jail your struggle me I'm talking sweeping coastal report this week. My life is Rachel second. chills that guy sits in full

Mikey:

swing Yeah, smooth, smooth out and I started listening to it again a lot recently and it's just Yeah, yeah, it's

Anthony:

it's it's like I say it's like it's a song about a hustlers downfall. It is like the whole like it's a concept album. Which is weird to have your first one coming from you come on like now it's like you're gonna get all these lyrics and everything else like that. But I mean it's a great second track. Is it in your feet of mine? Absolutely not. That's definitely touchable.

Jeff:

Now's the third out song on his life's a bitch with AZ his dad is actually on this I never realized that his dad doing it.

Unknown:

Questions goes away.

Mikey:

isn't very underrated. Washington. Oh, he totally is. And his new music is great too. He's still putting out great

Unknown:

status depends on the mob mentality is money you'll be in a data dump destined to liberty for more people to consider we will forgive them for something must have got in less than two pieces of a substance to cambios existence and to get a Western society.

Mikey:

I forgot how hard he goes on.

Unknown:

To believe in even will believe in wisdom. into the day we fire and tell me your mancave was a piece of wood

Mikey:

Wow I forgot about that verse yes it hot I mean it's yeah we might have we might have to revisit a particular we might have

Jeff:

to revisit the best opening verses conversation

Anthony:

no because the problem with that is like it's not a problem with it at all it's actually is one of the things like this is not his album but that track net burst I did have made easy a star but he never like capitalize off of it like he was supposed to be that guy he was supposed to be it like when you own like one of the best and greatest hip hop albums of all time you hear that verse you like oh right it's like a conversation we all had before when talking about Song Song and so forth when we're talking about song with NAS Ghostface and Ray likes it here in the introduction of that and the way NAS goes off on with verbal intercourse verbal

Mikey:

intercourse Yeah right.

Anthony:

You hear him go off into like who this is why he is who he is. We can easily do that you're like Oh, I get it but but it started never like calculate on that like he did some things with the firm and I know he had to do a die but you expected a lot more output just didn't happen

Mikey:

yeah,

Jeff:

I wonder why that is so what Jay got up next was this third track

Mikey:

came to the show y'all need to do that

Anthony:

no, no that's that's big repertoire. Remember he said he said he said Robbie ma for the number one mom pendant like with big like, funny. Like I wonder

Jeff:

that's one of NASA's biggest regrets that he never made a song with us would be

Anthony:

like, I love life a bitch. I give Brooklyn's Finest the slightest edge because it's it's one of those. How can I describe it? Obi Wan meekness, Luke? Yeah, Mike, I'd like for you to be what you're going to be you have to like face off for the master like this Brooklyn shit is mine. This is what I do. And it always leads to a very interesting question like would j b j if big lips and I have no idea how to answer that because I think Jay always want to be an independent person but it's like this is your man like this is your father figure like I can walk you through this like you're amazing. But are you ever going to be better than me? I don't know maybe would have like he's developed to be the maybe arguably the greatest hip hop artists ever but like I said being on that track we're big on your introductory album. Yeah, that's fine.

Mikey:

And wasn't it wasn't that song that was the song that started the biggie Tupac beef

Anthony:

that we've had to he probably have to get it get it to powerpacks one

Mikey:

of the best lines ever. It's a big song and I think it was like a last minute collab as far as I understand. Like I heard that he kind of he'd repeat gotten the beat for it and they just didn't Biggie was in the studio. Jay was like what if we just did this together and then they did that kind of back and forth you know the kind of give and take rhyme. It was all just a person

Jeff:

that would have been awesome as Bingo. And that would have completely broken noses for song. world is yours. Daisy was left in charge of the NBA soundtrack we put this song on

Unknown:

the world The world is watching Gandhi tilam child and right and then my book was passed the margin mechanical understandable

Jeff:

and I think part of his appeal to is like the he's just so scientific to you know, I mean, we never really heard I mean I guess kuji rap before him was like that. But if our generation nows was that first guy who was lyrical but he was like scientific with the shit to like some of the show he was saying, I guess rock him You don't think that rock cam was probably was before him as well. But that was you know, that was just a little bit before my time like right you know, I mean, right. But boy,

Anthony:

yeah, he's the evolution of it like, yeah, like there are there are storytellers. And then there are storytellers like slick Rick's a storyteller, right. Nas is a storyteller big is a storyteller like have you ever Listen to niggas bleed like he basically talking through an entire robbery the shittest cinematic hmm the whole thing big was also good at that like that I got a story to tell right he could do that.

Mikey:

I got a story to tell was that the one where he is fucking the dude, the New York Knicks guy's girlfriend?

Anthony:

Yeah, I think I think I said the person Okay, everybody says I don't think it's Charles Oakley I think Charles Charles about that life so all right, like I said it's the whole thing the thing that that NAS will always have over j no matter what he is by far one of the best visual storytellers you ever heard of all time? Like like Yeah, and it's the whole thing it's like it's like reading a script and like seeing the movie in your head like you can put on a nice record and like Close your eyes and just hear it and like say he sets the scene for you and he's not like saying like, you know I'm in a for somebody like that like you look trick. I'm sipping dumpy watching Gandhi while I'm charting right in my book. Like you can imagine him glue sitting there with the thing of just just sitting scribbling as rhymes as he makes it.

Jeff:

Tell people listen to undying love, or if you want to hear a storyteller. Exactly, but I was just like, What am and kuji rap like on steroids God?

Anthony:

Yeah. Then Then Jay follows with this second album

Unknown:

that we don't touch. Yet as to the death of us, me and my buddy Yellowstone accumulates like snow. We don't just share we illuminate the whole show you feel matches from the other side would love to kill me is Bill Binney causing my blood into the stream.

Anthony:

Like I said, it goes back to him being cinematic like my mindset is still a hustlers mindset like, oh, none of this shit matters. Everything else goes on in life. None of that matters. The only thing that matters to me is me getting to this money by hook or by crook it don't matter what gotta kill who got to steal.

Mikey:

I got dead presidents on that just because the world

Anthony:

that they're present, but like it's like the most my new tomorrow because it's probably the best trek on there. Because it's some bullshit. Some little bullshit cousin that comes into later in the album. Like I said, it's only a slight advantage because now it's only 10 tracks long right? We got to think 1514 or 15 I think he has somebody how many of those are skits though? Some of them are bullshit you will get to it. Alright,

Jeff:

so next song is the fifth song on the album actually the fourth song but the fifth track there's no skippable album by the way. But that's the thing

Unknown:

about the course masks before the net effect on beyond the man on the streets without a ton of report. That's like Malcolm X kitchen and Jungle Fever. Can't put too much flavor on major. Oh man. Take a break.

Jeff:

Yeah, like halftime lashes.

Mikey:

Yeah. Why is dead presidents dead presidents to because there's just two versions? Where's the first one?

Jeff:

Is it on the album?

Anthony:

There's not on this one.

Jeff:

I don't know whose album it was just a single they would never be put on an album. So he remixed it and just put it on the album. I don't know.

Anthony:

Tina, I gotta figure that shit out.

Jeff:

I know but I know there's two songs I remember I remember that having both songs.

Mikey:

Yeah I don't see that

Jeff:

everything is the same the verses are different like he The lyrics are different Really?

Mikey:

Yeah it's off cut in one oh it starts different right like different Yeah, he didn't start with a different verse. Yeah right yeah, okay, I know you're talking about man I can't find that though.

Anthony:

Any follows up with this?

Jeff:

love the song Yeah. Lynette can't really judge rock can't compare the flower

Unknown:

because they are so nice I like the tools I keep on crutches I keep because I got this on my back the flag is close look at the ship transactions are legitimate. But now close your eyes and

Mikey:

tick oops oops did

Jeff:

my bro yo this is like the third stray song that I can't I don't know if I could call it bro. Like

Mikey:

I called it a tie. That's

Jeff:

what I'm saying. I got three straight ties.

Anthony:

Yeah, like I said that and that's me dealing with this shit again,

Jeff:

just excellent. illmatic was memory lane.

Mikey:

Are we going through something like this you know I'm saying

Unknown:

like I said before like this has been a blast as Clint has official demo survival

Jeff:

storytelling is impeccable bro Go ahead.

Mikey:

That was the signal that's premiere two that's written and produced as the six tracks

Anthony:

on illmatic premiere got to relax on everything like he

Jeff:

was a producer lyricist background singer. instrumentalist

Mikey:

got he got them all a free pair of lugs

Anthony:

yet they go they go Chris Martin, you do your thing. Come on, Chris.

Mikey:

Can you play from what's easy? What's the dude's name from? Coldplay

Jeff:

isn't their own and Martin isn't the actor from I forget what show Chris

Anthony:

Martin will show how to no it's to me Chris man we got to stop alright so maybe Dave he follows it up with the evils

Jeff:

samples no samples prodigy for for many people in his

Unknown:

appearance she is wicked on his main streets friend of mine Prince maybe too much trying to get you touch the mechanics of the underworld credit

Jeff:

like I said, trying to live in limit and love

Anthony:

because now you're talking about the first five we're talking about the greatness of this game how much he loved it the hustle everything else like that but he's like there's some evil shit going on with this like like it's every man for self is doggy dog has a paranoia that comes with this life like like I'm never free like what I'm doing I'm gaining profit I'm the man I got how many stacks however many bricks but I'm selling my soul What the fuck am i doing and I can't escape it I got no choice I can't just stop doing what I'm doing um Did I hear is is it interesting how he frames it like yeah getting like just starts like I love this shit then it's like this is getting worse and worse like the next one deals with some other shit but yeah you go to X ray

Jeff:

now brass I like the

Mikey:

way that he that he spells it the evil the evils

Jeff:

not pulled out q-tip on this one one love

Unknown:

you got six minutes on that jack doing your bit with a cut to my print fucking black metalcore comeback is done. Plus congratulations. Led by Chuck Tomasi when she got

Jeff:

very basically right into his boy in jail, right and that

Anthony:

year, that's the seventh track. He hit and so

Mikey:

cinematic and Isn't it amazing that that it can be premiere, Pete Rock, large Professor q tip and then it can but it feels like such a cohesive album. Like you wouldn't necessarily know that it was different producers

Anthony:

right? I'm like what that you do because he of course q tip can't help but to be vainglorious Of course it has to do with one love part of it of course. But outside of that like if you never hear that part you couldn't tell who produced what because everything just kind of flows like yeah, it's a story I

Jeff:

purposely made it that way I'm sure they recorded all types of songs they probably recorded 20 songs for the shit and these were the 10 that that flowed together so they kept it that way you

Anthony:

know I'm saying yeah, that's what came up the last tracks he had a whole bunch of other right that came out he got like and got so many lost tracks. You got a whole you got a whole fucking say full of them. So the follow up that with 22 twos.

Unknown:

Let's go to get it to me. He named the phone and mission to many motherfuckers especially that you're just missing the polar sharks may go missing too many men just want to be ladies with too many too many too many chances

Jeff:

that she was creative. I like that. But I

Anthony:

get that one love doesn't meet one love one love is just that's that's Yeah, it's not many that are untouchable. That's untouchable.

Jeff:

Okay, now we're nearing the end of illmatic the eighth track one title for your mind if you say this is probably the worst song on the album,

Mikey:

yes. Is it a skippable?

Unknown:

Your mom your mom was a pretty good one typical in the host when I'm chilling I grabbed the pool to get my watch Ellen and hook for them

Jeff:

to finish Spanish just doesn't

Mikey:

just put it does that kind of foosh nickens thing there's like just a little bit he gets like a hip Scott on that Yeah, I don't know it's just

Jeff:

maybe it was an eye catching so correct.

Mikey:

But it's large profess though who you can me feel like a Tim.

Anthony:

I mean that's that's what it feels like at a place like Yeah, do you think premier does and it's not q tip maybe rock but it sounds like footlocker Professor so Jay follows up with cannot live

Unknown:

well. What do you bring to the table? Watching every nigga watching me closely? machine is fun. To me, I keep my head and clap from closeby don't sleep on trying to win my yummy

Anthony:

the whole thing like this the part like the whole hustling cheetahs catching up and like trying to say come and live like I'm like I'm tired of this fucking life. Like I said, I always hate that alarm like the whole the butter shit I'm like so toast me like I get it but like all right, I'm like Butterfield told me you can get better I promise your

Jeff:

ninth track on your medic is represent

Mikey:

my favorite song on the album

Unknown:

revenue is real in any day could be your last in the jungle. The coin is the hotspot you paint a picture of a hoodie oh

Mikey:

I just love that b

Jeff:

i don't think Jay got known for that on reasonable doubt.

Anthony:

Oh no no no he doesn't it's actually the song that I hate but he put it as a single I just said good Yeah Is this a hedge but it's not

Unknown:

the best bid see the exit you got to know get everybody respected by me That's why you gotta watch it

Anthony:

is almost like a shared her like like, like like like in a biblical sense not like be shared even if he did I don't care but the whole thing is like she kind of she kind of started off with J but then Ross put together firm like I want Foxy but but have Foxy and j ever done a good song together? Like I've never liked this I didn't like sunshine. That shit was terrible. Jay must have been on coke at that time that shit was trash.

Jeff:

She did she she got that one.

Anthony:

Yeah, but the whole like how to fuck you have a song with Foxy Jay Z babyface like this? You don't see

Mikey:

why she did she have NAS or Jay Z on the first album. Oh, she had I'll be with Daisy. Yeah, let me do that bad that blackstreet single that she put out I'll be home or get me home. That was a bangin song. That was a grave.

Jeff:

Singing that album was great.

Mikey:

You better believe it

Anthony:

Come on man that culture includes r&b man and you know a rap that's you that's fine.

Mikey:

Yeah, but you know, and and, and and they're starting a barber shop duo Absolutely.

Anthony:

Bow Ties and bow ties and everything. ice cream cone hats home hat seersucker suit from 10 feet coming to

Jeff:

nods and his album with any

Unknown:

class. To make his content attract even snipers breath exhale to write two steps deep lake to shine and

Mikey:

Allen this album is the most sampled album of all time

Jeff:

it has to be and now my most so

Mikey:

many lines and listen

Jeff:

to the words that might be the best song on the album like lyrically

Mikey:

it's fucking great song and that's and that's extra P which I didn't realize like I'm production of that I thought I thought it was Premiere Pro.

Anthony:

Alright so I'll run through the last ones All right,

Mikey:

what's the what's Jay Z's 10th

Anthony:

right kZ 10th is a friend or foe

Mikey:

is crazy oh so wait but this JC okay it's long but short minute I run the show tonight nobody coming around here fucking with me No this is premiere

Anthony:

Father we're going to be coming to

Unknown:

life as we know it before I was diagnosed but just the fact you will say

Mikey:

right when we're talking about we like yeah

Anthony:

with all of that with Kevin I thought

Mikey:

underrated yeah returning on the red

Jeff and Ant:

and we thought problem that

Jeff:

a lot of skippable

Unknown:

disasters the last like masters for drugs can easily enter the down

Mikey:

sample on the chorus of

Anthony:

people that's what it was back and

Jeff:

you can't Well, he saw the Maddox he was on the sample j I'm a sample AZ

Mikey:

Sure. Oh, Rugrats

Anthony:

live one more time. is

Mikey:

remember, this

Anthony:

is the most time we got to the album like Yo,

Mikey:

Dre like everything after like, song. Right.

Anthony:

And that's it. Alright, so

Jeff:

let's break it down. Let's start off with songs. I have it a tie. I like equal amounts of songs on both. Um, there's a lot of songs that were head to head that I couldn't that were tied to me, you know, I'm saying there was about three songs I gave to now there's about three songs I gave to Jay. The rest of me were right there.

Mikey:

Hmm. I had no I was up by one. And I basically didn't even score after so after 10 after.

Jeff:

Because I think after 10 and reasonable doubt they're all throwaways bro.

Anthony:

You can argue this shit. It's, it's one of those tastes whose choice kind of things if you want something in particular, if you want to hear a cinematic story, you should probably play reasonable doubt. If you want to hear like a coming of age story in the ghetto, and everything involved with it. flexit nas doesn't talk about anything flashy. He doesn't talk about like cars or clothes or whatever. It's like I'm showing you this life. This life mode to me. It made me it was hard. It was violent. It was dangerous. But somehow you got this beauty out of it this poetry that no one else can that can see no one else. I don't want to say that that few that few could actually do. So if I'm going to edit I'm going to give it the illmatic because I think it's one of the things where it's again a preference choice. Like I said, I don't think illmatic is his best album I think is still married. I don't think that Reasonable Doubt is Jay's best I still think it's blueprint but it doesn't mean that they're not classic like those four albums we named those are the only four from those two guys that got five mics and like I said for us in particular generation that five minute thing was big Not a lot of people could get it not a lot of people got off the rip now they got it off the rip twice. Jay got a rip once with blueprint and they redid it and they got to reasonable doubt and say yeah, this is a classic which we all knew

Jeff:

I mean ask you to chew NAS besides ese who was an unknown at the time now doesn't have anybody else featured on here as we're j has a bunch of feature Biggie you know Memphis Bleek Mary J like Does that hurt j or does that help him they had those features and vice versa as well. Does that help NAS that he can make a classic album without really having any features?

Anthony:

I think it I think it actually helps because they're essential to the album itself like having have an easy start off life's a bit like Nasca jumping off ribbon. I had easy on it, but it's like you can't imagine that song without him. Like if I don't know of course they weren't together because so long ago, let's say Beyonce does can't Knock the Hustle. It doesn't have the same field it doesn't have the same vibe like you have the queen of hip hop so if you got a chance to use her you use her use when the right inappropriate weight and you couldn't have figured out a better way for it because she does a little melodic thing and it works. Do I hold it against them? No, because I think what it differs because with NAS is a team behind well remember one that not when I was with Jay the team behind him, it's it's Earth it's Dane, it These guys are big name producers that work with a lot of people don't want to have people on this introduction thing would not like him or her with live at the barbecue. Then after that, it's like, well, when is this album coming? And he's like, no, I can stand on my own and so on and so forth. And I think like it became a flaw later with NAS because like your NAS you really don't need a feature from anybody. That's why people hate hoochie Wally, because like, Why? Why is your brother in your body guard rapping on here, they don't need to be here. Seriously, I still worry at all time I hate it. Right. And like I said, and I think that's what he different NAS took like he took like a D course like to kind of find his way but he tried to do that shit the upbeat like, you kind of realize like I'm trying to be different thing. Escobar ESCO like your nasty NAS I don't care how you put it, that's who you are. And it took them a while to find that and when he finds that he's in that pocket and he's untouchable. Like Jay just evolved but in the end he's still a hustler.

Mikey:

Like who you had I I had Yeah, I had announced by one. And it was interesting. We started talking about NAS albums because like I basically I used to say that I didn't listen to like I didn't really appreciate any NAS albums after his face was off the cover. Like remember how like all the originals it was just his face as the main part of the cover. So like after Nostradamus like I almost did like stillmatic didn't really count for like I it was written was probably my favorite album of noises Yeah, I think that's my favorite one too. And it's you know in the cinematics great album, but I don't know it was it's just it's interesting to see because those were the most core like nasty NAS albums. And when I put these you know, you say illmatic and everybody immediately is like, that's like, you know, top five albums of all time. You say reasonable doubt, and you have to argue it, which I think it's a great album. I think there's some like unbelievable songs off and I love it. But I don't know it wasn't as impactful. I'm not I don't think so.

Jeff:

Next category production i think is universal. I think we're all gonna say NAS Am I wrong? I mean, you figure when you figure premiere, large professor, CL smooth q tip. P rock.

Mikey:

Yeah, I

Jeff:

mean p rock yet. But mostly premiere? You know, I'm saying?

Mikey:

Yeah, I mean, large Professor came strong, dude. Extra p comes hard with some, some VA has like some of the worst songs but some of the best songs in the album. So

Jeff:

we agree that production wise automatic takes

Mikey:

it? Yeah, yeah, there's

Anthony:

no hesitation man, he, you know, for the best producers in hip hop history on this album. it like it's hard to argue that period.

Jeff:

Shoot, if you would have had Dre that that would have been the only other thing that he you know, I mean, but he didn't have drains. Right. Didn't have drafting till the second album.

Mikey:

It's good that he didn't because it would have fucked up the album. Yeah, it would have sounded like it was sounded too different.

Jeff:

In his second album, he had Dre I think he even had Timberland. You know, he started broadening his horizons, but all right, beats

Mikey:

not on it was written though. No.

Jeff:

what's what's the song? Well, yeah, I think he does have Dre producing a song on what street dreams? No. Nas is coming. That's not on.

Mikey:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, that's true. He's on it. He did. But he produced it, too. Yeah, of course. He did. Right. And it does feel like Dr. Dre. That's true.

Anthony:

Right? And then after that they move forward to the firm thing,

Mikey:

right? Affirmative Action.

Anthony:

Dre fucked that up. Yeah, he

Mikey:

did blow it. Oh

Anthony:

god. Yeah. Three of the best MCs and use the different times to

Mikey:

call that album terrible I liked it at the time but it wasn't what it could have been I guess

Anthony:

no I'm not I'm not calling this shit I'm not calling a terrible I just think like when you have one of the best producers ever in hip hop and he's executive producing the entire thing it should have came stronger than that no offense button like it but he

Jeff:

tried to make it today on East Coast and that's not Dre Dre you know his West Coast is G funk and he was trying to do something completely different here you know I'm saying so I don't know what beats let's go to beats who think what album had the best beats

Mikey:

now that's kind of split for me really well cuz it's like the lyricism of illmatic is far superior overpower that you're probably does but there's a couple of like the other songs I think

Jeff:

that's the story of Nadia's career bro yeah you know i mean outperformed the beats and that's why you know, it gets a bad rap about beat picking and B pick and he said like yo people listen to me for my lyrics now my beats like he's used the same beats on multiple songs before like he doesn't give a shit about beating

Anthony:

it and that was that was always his downfall if he gave a fuck about the beat and that's why like kidney disease and kidney disease who cuz he's like hit boy you're going to do this. I'm gonna roll with it. And you made two excellent albums period like you let him go got a fucking Grammy for it. Yeah, um, I will go with not just because of the power of the producers behind them. But if I'm going for like feel like it's probably Reasonable Doubt like I said, it's cinematic like every beat is almost like they played the beat and Jays like, I got a whole story to write to this like, the dis hustles anthem I got like said you got feeling that you can't Knock the Hustle the evils like it's everything goes along with this thought works. But I'm like, I'm barely given it a knock like say, how many albums Can you think of in hip hop is for the head that level of production on it? And probably Jays, Jays would bang can just please and Kanye, I bet but your introduction album we have for the best for East Coast producers ever.

Mikey:

Yeah,

Anthony:

it's hard to top that.

Mikey:

Yeah, that the illmatic album for me. Like from a beat perspective, it feels like a little bit I have to feel a little on edge. Like I feel like I have to be there for it. Yeah, where reasonable doubt I feel like it's like, it's just I feel like I can relax into it. It's like smooth, and it's like, I can just nod my head. And it's great. But they're so right about the production though.

Anthony:

I've always thought of it as like a hip hop jazz album.

Mikey:

Yeah. Like,

Anthony:

it's always something mellow about it. Like even even a hard shit is like just cruise to it. Nas is like, either got to be pissed off, or you got to be in a mood, or you just feel like melancholy and reminiscing. But the way Reasonable Doubt just goes and flows like it works. But like I said, just because of the power of the production of your very first album. I had to give to NAS on that one.

Jeff:

Yeah. Alright, so we but we agree that both albums are five like albums, and Mike scorecard overall, I have illmatic as being the better word. Yeah.

Anthony:

Yeah. But yeah, not by much. Not. It's not a wash is like it's, you know, it's 117 116 in the final round, right? Yeah, like that's true.

Mikey:

And it's Yeah, no, I mean, illmatic has to win. It's it's ultimately like, if I, I feel like if I met someone that I didn't know, and I brought up the two albums, it's like, you almost can't argue that reasonable that wins. I mean, it's great. It's super close. But like illmatic has to win because of its like, its production level, its impact what it meant.

Anthony:

The most impressive thing is that once you like, it's literally like you can literally, almost almost, you can't, but you almost for the first seven songs is almost a draw. Oh, yeah. Like, just like Jay might win this one, and NAS might win that one and j might win this one. And I was gonna win that but the other three, like, I can't call it I can't call it I can't call like to start up an album like that. is really, really, really, really, really good. No, like, I'm giving it tonight, like I said, because of because of what it means, in a sense of the annals of history. Like, I don't think it his career is not the same. And like I think this was the this is almost to me the biggest tragedy Ignace that he began his album with a classic that everyone pretty much agreed upon. So at that you had to hold up to that level of perfection. Impossible to lead off like that. That's like, you know, going for for forward for homeruns like, Can you do it again, the next game like no, I can't, I can try but it's impossible.

Jeff:

Just to put into perspective, the importance of the album illmatic is has is is an album that's actually studied in universities and literature and literature classes. And NASA has also performed it with the National Symphony Orchestra. He has performed the album with actual orchestras of guys, I have people that have probably never even heard of NAS but they're on there with their instruments. You know, I'm saying 100 people on stage with all types of instruments performance, You know, yeah, that that means a lot to the culture I would think,

Mikey:

well, I don't and I don't remember when this you know, so so illmatic came out and then the next year, but I don't think it was a full year, I think it was like three or four months later, the infamous came out Mobb Deep. And that's one of my top five albums of all time. And it was just like those back to back it was like, holy shit like now, if we talk about the, like, six months where, like hip hop might have been at its peak, it was it might have been when those albums came out. No, no,

Anthony:

no. I know. No, because I can I can tell you in just one moment, I have a question to ask before we go forward, right? An alien come to this planet. Right? And, you know, trying to figure out what's going on in the world sometimes before they run into you. And you say, I heard this thing called hip hop. What is it? But you have to play them one song? One song that's definitively hip hop. What would you play? I would mind I had the conversations. My mind is super easy, but

Jeff:

go ahead. Me personally, I would play them juicy.

Anthony:

Bye, baby. You're the fifth fucking person I heard say that. Yeah,

Jeff:

because just because I feel like that song like embodies everything about hip hop, like the sampling lyrics, the production and like, you know, I mean, like, it gives them an idea of what it is if you need to know what it is like, just listen to this song as I'm dead. Okay, what was your zombie?

Anthony:

My Shrek ones,

Unknown:

shook ones.

Mikey:

I was gonna say, dude, it's Chuck one's I mean,

Anthony:

it's like it's a like, it's another taste of shorts kind of thing. Because like, it could be juicy. It could be short ones. It could be Robin bells.

Jeff:

It could be anything off at i o Matic.

Mikey:

And chick one chick ones is like I was I wasn't gonna say it because I was a goddess. It's kind of like tonally it's an intense song. I mean, it's it's uh, you know, it's a pretty grimy song. What you see is like juicy is like playful you know celebrating celebration of success, bro. Yeah, but like Shrek ones is like when I hear sequins. I like go into a fugue state. I'm like, I'm gonna drive my car way too fast

Anthony:

in this I tell everybody but that said when I go to the gym the only song I listen to the lift up anything on repeat I don't listen to anything else. I should zones in the hour. It just gets me pissed off. It's not gonna like every every rob my rights 25 damn Jesus. Murder.

Mikey:

And it comes in like, Hey, man, can I do a rap in here and you just punch him in the throat.

Anthony:

Alright, so sorry. So you were talking about what year what might be like seminal in hip hop? Because you said 1996 right. And it was 1990

Mikey:

it was 94 to 95. So they were they came out exactly a year apart. I didn't realize they were both in April of 94 in the 95.

Anthony:

Right, and I run this down all the time. And this is my favorite list of all time. What is it by far my favorite list? I have to leave this we're going to go back a dog we're gonna we're gonna go to 1998 right? Huh? Okay. 1998 in January. The locks money power respect.

Mikey:

Strong,

Anthony:

right? Let's see in March the third Scarface my homies Kappa Donna the pillage Daz effects comes out in March March jazz effects generates real headaches

Mikey:

yeah

Anthony:

that's ginger comes out and march Martin mashup March 31 that comes out gangstar moment of truth comes out Smith and Wesson Rude Awakening comes out right? April 7 Goody mob still standing comes out.

Mikey:

Oh shit.

Anthony:

We're still going April 28 big punk capital punishment comes out. We're so good. We're still going. May 5 lyricist lounge That's right. That's right. That's

Jeff:

the best year of hip hop that's not the best year

Anthony:

I've not

Mikey:

done I'm that's when I was this is my when I was 18 I bought all of those shots the day they came out yo

Jeff:

illmatic and ready to die came out and southern playlist of Cadillac music came out. And Scarface a diary came out and the gangstar hard to earn came out and Warren G regulate came out those came out in 94 that's already better than all the shit you named.

Anthony:

I'm not done I'm only in May. Only in May. masterpiece for Sam comes out on shut him down comes out Queen Latifah comes out in June, john 14, who we just talked about comes out in June. Also in June, Black Eyed Peas come out MC rain comes out July 7 Nori comes out with the first album, July 21 camera and comes out with confessions of fire. Wu Tang comes out with the swarm. August 4, two comes out with a game that's so not to be told, but nobody cares about that. In August, we got 40 thieves but no one really cares about them. Then. Then it gets busy right here from August forward. In August. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill comes out. Exhibit comes out, right? In September flipmode squad comes out razz cast comes out. September 29. Hard not light Volume Two comes out black. The Black Black Star comes out on September 29, two equipment comes out. The love movement by Tribe Called Quest comes out Cypress Hill comes out in October DMX comes out later this year he released two albums, juvenile releases 400 degrees that year. Please tell me that's not the greatest album year in hip hop history to cow 1000 judgment day comes out Yes. docs The name comes out Extinction Level Event by Buster comes out on 98 all in 98 it's the greatest freedom I believe hip hop ever it's pretty good maybe Yeah, I don't I've looked at this so many times just try to top that.

Mikey:

I was like that was my scene basically my senior year in high school and I was just every single one of those albums meant so much to me.

Anthony:

It's very good. It's seminal. Yeah, Cuba No,

Jeff:

see Oh, that's our episode man. Hit us up on social media man. Tell us what you're saying man album is better. illmatic Reasonable Doubt semen. semen

Mikey:

was going out going out and behind it Mike was talking

Jeff:

about earlier they are talking about semen

Anthony:

kill is decla gay. You ain't talking to me. Yo,

Jeff:

thank you for listening the culture piece

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