Hip-Hop higher learning with Professor Lyrical

Jeff: 0:47

peace peace peace peace eace Thank you for tuning n to another episode of cu ture Episode 63 this is your boy Jeff I'm here with my man ac was good

Anthony: 0:57

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Jeff: 1:07

that's definitely going off. She let me give a shout out to our Patreon we got a lot to go over today we got a lot of shit to discuss. We got a special guest later on in the second half of the show, but first since you already started it off with Dre fucking Super Bowl. halftime lineup was just released. And this is gonna be lydie committee. We got Dr. Dre and he's bringing out Snoop Dogg, the deal wg he's bringing out Mary J. Blige even though I don't know what the connection is between them, but he's bringing out he's bringing out Kendrick Lamar, and then he's bringing out Slim Shady Marshall Mathers it's official and affair has announced it that's quite a lineup bro. Of course you're gonna end it but you're gonna put Marshall last March well he's gonna put them at the end I'm actually surprised there's no 50 right but let's well because yeah, I guess I was gonna say because it's California but no m&m is not from Cali. Mary J is not from Cali. No, me with me this 50

Anthony: 2:07

from Southern college is right and open to a drink Kendrick and the game is in Inglewood right and whoo right no game either. But the game don't deserve to be in Atlanta. No offense to game but now

Jeff: 2:19

as far as performance i'm not i don't think it'll probably be I don't think it'll be the best performance we've seen as far as like actual entertainment but as far as on paper and name wise and all of that notoriety and Is this the biggest lineup ever and halftime show history? It might be

Anthony: 2:36

for hip hop Yeah. Heavy for hip

Jeff: 2:38

hop Hell yeah. Because they usually do a lot of pop you know JLo Shakira Bruno Mars guys you know people like to sing dance and put on a spectacle you know I'm saying Michael Jackson you know they those type of people yeah, let's just say for hip hop absolutely right so I'm saying you know, they try to stay away they don't really put you know one dimension or they try to put multi dimensional you know, artists up there that can do multiple things. But shit that line of crazy

Anthony: 3:01

it makes you real interested in like it is one of the things where if you don't really care about the Super Bowl you got something like I just like I'm here for halftime. Like you don't you don't like I said when before we even started this the whole thing is like a concert ticket for to one of them will probably be like, average $500 all together for free. They're gonna get a smooth 15 minutes you're gonna get the fuck off the stage. We're gonna get back to the game, but I'm excited about it. I mean, you know, you don't get this kind of shit too often to get, you know, the biggest stars and, and pretty much hip hop in anything to come together this one night in front of everybody. That's dope. I'm with it. Word Up. I'm ready.

Jeff: 3:41

Moving along. The big news this week, is that our Kelly has been found guilty on all charges. I mean, it's not big news. But you know, it's news. Nonetheless. And we've talked about it you know, I'm saying we've mentioned him before on here. And the thing is, you know, he's facing up to 100 years is what they saying. Let me read to me read the NBC show. Our Kelly has been found guilty and the federal trial where he faced charges relating to the alleged sexual exploitation and physical abuse of children. The jury came to a decision on Monday afternoon following 23 days of trial starting on August 18, which included 50 witnesses overall goddamn 50 witness. According to CNN, r&b star has been the subject of accusations of sexual abuse for decades according to new york times, but this is his first criminal trial since he was acquitted on child pornography charges back in 2008. Kelly has been in federal custody since 2019 and denies any wrongdoing Of course he does

Anthony: 4:37

that's part of part of the game supposed to do that? Like I did it that's the whole point of you having to defend you know, if you you know you come up with that you're supposed to like know keep quiet, let your lawyers do whatever they supposed to and then go from there. But then again, did he go into prison? That's really it.

Jeff: 4:55

Now the question begs and again, we touched on this on a previous episode, because I think a lot of people are torn Do you still listen to his music? Do you just own them all together? And you said that you were able to separate the man from the artists you know what I'm saying? I personally don't know if I can see um, let me tell you what do hewgley said recently. He was interviewed on CNN he said he was asked, Would you still listen to MJ and our Kelly music knowing what they did to kids do replied Yes. Just like we still sing the national anthem knowing what America did.

Anthony: 5:31

Not me. I don't think that shit. I swear I swear to Christ, I go to ballgames you're like stand for the national anthem I stand now. I don't think shit. As a matter of fact, I've sat down a couple of times just dying for somebody to compensate some shit.

Jeff: 5:43

Yeah, I never even dating back to high school. I never I never sat down and say English but

Anthony: 5:48

supposed to stand for your country so now fuck you up no no no for the record

Jeff: 5:52

I don't put MJ and our Kelly in the same category because our Kelly's actually been found guilty of all charges MJ never was so I don't like putting them together cuz to me is not the same thing but I get it

Anthony: 6:03

I mean he can't charge a dead man so don't make you don't hear the live

Jeff: 6:07

bro all the trials he had you know I'm saying he was never found guilty they never had enough evidence for anything before our Kelly there's all types of evidence there's all types of witnesses they show the lawyers arriving at the court at the courthouse and they had like carts just mat carts

Anthony: 6:23

full of shit though evidence and I want to be real clear I've never seen that tape I don't plan on seeing it I don't want to see it now I don't want I didn't see it in the past that's not some shit I was interested in I wasn't interested in now it doesn't should I even want to joke about like it's a minor he's pissing on her apparently would say like is ridiculous and people like cracking up about the shape the thing but our Kelly's just that I can separate the two because like I said him going to prison doesn't automatically erase whatever he's done before. It's not like you. You don't exist you you had to exist to you know, do what you did period. But but it's not one of them things where I'm like I'm actively listened to him if I hear a song, and I like the song. I do so like I still don't have lyrics I still bought to it. But I'm not. I'm not checking for him if he's not on my playlist. Like, I have to listen to him. But like I said, I understand the artists from the person that is he was a sick individual that's more likely going to the prison for the rest of his life. But that doesn't mean he didn't make some fire music. I can't disregard that. It was the thing of that his pain and his his struggles and everything else today like regards to trial probably fueled the music itself. So I could see where there could be some hurt feelings in regards to uh, but I don't I don't really care for the man he hasn't put on anything good in a while. He's kind of phased off in the distance. The only reason he matters because he was such a megastar. If he were just some random ass r&b singer who did this, no one will care. No one will listen to his music because he probably only had like five songs. I don't want to name some random artist like if it was him because it's kind of disingenuous, but you get my point.

Jeff: 7:55

I get it. But moving on, because people are reacting to Will Smith admitting recently to getting into his own entanglements while being married to Jaden. In other words, he admitted to them having basically an open marriage or an open relationship. Let me let me read off some of his quote, he said, we have given each other trust and freedom with the belief that everybody has to find their own way. Marriage for us can't be a prison. And I don't suggest our road for anybody. I don't suggest this road for anybody but the experiences that the freedoms that we've given one another, and the unconditional support to me is the highest definition of love. He goes on to say Jaden never believed in and conventional marriage data had family members that had an unconventional relationship. So she grew up in a way that was very different than how I grew up. Well, because it goes on and on and I don't want to get into all of it. But I mean, it's been rumored we've been new, you know, especially after she did the whole table talk show when she came out and admitted to having to shit with a what's the dude's name?

Anthony: 8:56

August alsina. Right? And then see if you see how fast you don't even matter

Jeff: 9:00

now, but then you know and then obviously the rumors came out that Will Smith was was you know, got back at her by messing with his co star from what's the movie? Joker's girl hitch? No.

Anthony: 9:13

Oh, whoa. Oh my god, I'm from suicide. Oh, watch Focus. Focus the chick from Suicide Squad? Know what you're talking about focus you're talking about I'm talking about giocato Robbie. Margot Robbie,

Jeff: 9:26

that's her name Joker Girl.

Anthony: 9:28

Yeah, her name is Margot Robbie Her name is not Joker's girl. Yes.

Jeff: 9:32

Harley Quinn so he was messing with Harley Quinn and it was whatever and you know there's been rumors that he will actually not rumor because he said that he wanted Halle Berry to be one of his you know Mr scissor or whatever the fuck you want to call them? Yeah,

Anthony: 9:45

I think like Halle Berry of Missy koechlin

Jeff: 9:47

look I'm mad at them and I've said it before on here like I'm mad at them you know I'm saying if that they've been married for over 20 years if this is what not only makes them happy but keeps the relationship going and they strong and everything's cool than Hey shit. It doesn't work for everybody hell it doesn't work for most people. I don't know if I'd be able to

Anthony: 10:05

do that shit. He wouldn't be he wouldn't.

Jeff: 10:09

Like he's all playing games when you're doing you and then you come home and how was your day honey? Oh yeah, I was with August I'll see I was with this dude. I was with that dude.

Anthony: 10:17

I fuck skip from working like oh my gosh, are we having chickens tonight? berries?

Jeff: 10:22

paramita details? Did

Anthony: 10:23

you make dinner? Like I could probably do it if like the person was real real honest about it. Like, yeah, I probably could like, like he can almost I can. I will always do anything with anyone as long as you could put it in a way that makes sense to me. And for them I understand. Like where disregarding the wealth right is more like we are we're we're kind of sort of happily married but the one thing that worried about his monogamy but we kind of ticked it off the board and we kind of make this very clear about what we do and where we stand in our relationship and this is what works for us and if we do it and we can, I don't know a test run trial and see if we're happy blah blah blah. And if it works all right, we got something here if it doesn't, then we can go ahead and do ranges. But for a while apparently it was working, it wasn't an issue at all. And then like say the August she came out there and became something bigger than that, because, you know, data might have went a little bit too far. Like I said, it felt like he was you know, pulling in a little bullshit and so on and so forth. And yeah, but I mean to each his own, like I honestly don't care what goes on in the household. Their kids are fine. They're they're very well off. They seem to be they're still married. They're not divorcing, but I'm saying Yeah.

Jeff: 11:34

And unmade here now and not only in an industry but in an age in an era where there's more divorces than marriage and celebrities are getting divorced left and right. You know, I mean, nobody's lasted more than a year or two married if that these people have been married 20 years. I mean,

Anthony: 11:49

I've seen good divorces whole COVID think about it. Exactly. You'd be in a house for motherfucker like oh my god I hate you I can't stay Have you ain't no buffer but like I said they got individualize individual career so there's always time for family and time to do their own individual thing but if this is what works for them go forward and when

Jeff: 12:09

I heard this news the first thing and I don't know why the first thing that came to my mind was that song he did for his first son Trey just the two of us because he goes there's a line where he goes and you know he's trying to teach him the morals and values of life and there's a line where he goes you know monogamy is monogamous 20 years later I guess that's no longer the case. A man made I guess yeah, everybody has a right to change you know, whatever.

Anthony: 12:36

Yeah, and like you said she she came from a non traditional kind of way of like having relationships and so on and so forth. And this worked for them. And if it works for you, I obviously don't care like good or cool long to still know maintaining and communicating and working through your marriage. I just don't give a shit. I personally

Jeff: 12:55

don't monogamous I was like, no Will you lie to us? You lie and then I realized as long as I'm like, 97 or some shit. I guess it's been a long

Anthony: 13:07

rap and I'm just putting words together none of the shipment goes different man. Shut up. Anyway. Trying to get this hit.

Jeff: 13:13

I still think jaida fucked to pop bro.

Anthony: 13:15

You still don't know? Yes, she did. Yes, she did. No, she didn't. It's another episode

Jeff: 13:22

on her Table Talk Show and brings us her daughter on now her mom and everybody and admits to the shape. She should do it on the anniversary. She should do it on the anniversary of two pugs def be like yeah, this episode is for my best friend to progress to peace. And I'm gonna say it now for the first time ever like yeah, you know, we was intimate.

Anthony: 13:40

My friend My brother.

Jeff: 13:42

I love virginity to him.

Anthony: 13:44

I'm like, let me turn this bullshit off man. Fuck out here. I be like click by clicking my my love and my brother. Fuck no. I'm still gonna mind she did not have sex to tell me why does everyone do that to podcast secondary by

Jeff: 13:58

when we blow up and I eventually get her on the show? somehow. I'm gonna ask one of the questions. I'm gonna ask her. She might hang up immediately. Oh, no, no,

Anthony: 14:07

she's gonna walk right the fuck out. She

Jeff: 14:08

gonna have a whole list of questions that you cannot ask. Don't ask me not about Tupac. Don't ask me not about my marriage.

Anthony: 14:14

Maybe you're gonna be in a red Table Talk watch. What about your marriage? Jeffrey? Are you happy? Did you satisfy your wife? You'd like me sitting like, Huh? What about that Jeff? I say shit JD Don't ask me a fucking thing that's all him about to pop you out to pot. He will he was my friend. Word. kind of friend. Like friend or lovers and friends like blue. JOHN. See?

Jeff: 14:40

We got like bismol key friend like just the frame.

Anthony: 14:43

recipes business. We appreciate that.

Jeff: 14:46

Yeah, you got your list, man because I got my list of top five rappers under 40 that we discussed.

Anthony: 14:52

This. This is easy for you. Like Like, like the guy you're talking about. He's not even on my list. Like it was a throwaway. Like he doesn't even deserve to be there.

Jeff: 15:02

Let me start with my number five then we just get right into this shit man. Bet Okay, best best rappers under 40 and originally when I thought about doing this list, but you know I love lists. Every every couple episodes we do list. One of our patrons be like yo yo is doing listen to your fucking love lists. Originally I wanted to do like best rappers in their 20s and then when I started thinking I'm like damn that's that's gonna be a very short list because I don't like you don't you don't like none of them. So I was like okay, let's do this. All my favorite rappers are in their 40s and 50s. So let's do best rappers under 40 I figured that was that was more realistic, and I mean for the type of shit that we like. So I was blown off. Number five for me is Lupe Fiasco. I've always liked them since the kick push it, you know, but he's, they call him a backpack rapper. You know, I mean, he's one of those backpack rappers skateboard rappers. I'm not gonna use the word popcorn. But you know, I don't know if he's kind of I would call him conscious rapper. But then he makes shit. Like, you know, hip hop saved my life, which we used a couple episodes ago. And then he does the show where he recently went back and forth with Royce. And he ate Royce. I don't know if you agree with me. And that little

Anthony: 16:13

bad matter of opinion. It's a matter of opinion with me.

Jeff: 16:17

And I'm like, Yo, this dude is really nice. Like once I start going back. superstars, you say you are a superstar. You listen to that shit. And have no. Did he ever says you would make a singer last week? No, it wasn't. Oh, yeah. Oh, what's the other one? Dream a daydream? I think about the flowers.

Anthony: 16:45

A couple of hours on a beautiful day with him and Joe Scott.

Jeff: 16:50

Yeah, she's don't dream. And he's like, still in his 30s he's not quite I think he's like 39 he's not quite 40 years. So he's on. Yeah, he's 39. So he's on my list as my number five.

Anthony: 17:00

So he's gonna curse. Who's on? Who's

Jeff: 17:02

your five? Benny the butcher? How old is he?

Anthony: 17:05

Benny is 38 Okay, bidding 38. I like reserving. It was like because he's 38 i think i think Conway and Westside, they're both 39 so they're right on the cusp. But I like bidding at all of them like and guess what, that's what all three of

Jeff: 17:22

them are my honorable mentions.

Anthony: 17:26

I'm certainly gonna honor mentioned like 15 people like these people I left off but evolve I like like Benny the most I like his flow. They're all clear. And it's like, but it's a preference choice. Like Wes I just released you know, hermoza hitless I've been I should like these are big cuts like damn like, you got it. Like as a like as a triumvirate. They're all dope, but I like getting out of the mall. Just like is that classic? Boom, bap gritty, rugged rattling like Conway, Conway sfy. And like I said, I don't think it's like a, it's a trick. Or like the whole thing of rapping on the side of his mouth. Like he got shot in the back of the head and his belt pauses while talking at the side of his mouth, man, and he can still spit and flow like that. They're all good. But if I'm going to say a preference, I'm giving it to Benny. Certainly.

Jeff: 18:16

Number four, my number four, and he's 33 years old. Big Sean.

Anthony: 18:23

He's nice. Not. Not all my good, but he's not nice. Oh, yeah. She was nice, nonetheless. But he's

Jeff: 18:29

nice. He's on. What's the show he's on with m&m Ambroise, the Detroit vs. Everybody shit. I don't want to say m&m automatically has the best verse because you know whatever. Go Sean has the best verse. If not if you want to give it to him and then because he's m&m then then Big Sean has the second best verse. And he's on a track with all of the best rappers from Detroit you know, he's been number four.

Anthony: 18:55

My number four is Drake. I don't know if you need me to say

Jeff: 18:59

he needs no introduction.

Anthony: 19:02

He needs no introduction but

Jeff: 19:03

also understand why I don't have him on my list.

Anthony: 19:08

Yeah, cuz you cuz you think you've missed the hip hop? You like you got your own encyclopedia knowledge like nah Nah, he's not hip hop

Jeff: 19:13

because he's too soft and moist for me man. You seen the memes going around about Drake? Everybody What do they go you know Drake is the type of guy and then they add in whatever What have you said Jake is a type of guy to say no, you hang up to his homeys

Anthony: 19:31

that's the whole thing man. Like if I cut my beard off I still be handsome but drink like a whole different person without that beard he like you different when you've been holding on to that shit

Jeff: 19:42

Jake is the type of guy to surprise his homies with a visit from the tickle monster

Anthony: 19:46

Come on, Come play go play. But it doesn't matter. Because what he's done he's the most most popular hip hop artist right now. He's influential he probably has for the longest he beat out Khan gained his own game and that beef was trashed man I hated that like it began the diet it's not even the real beef like it is to rich people arguing about dumb shit

Jeff: 20:05

was weak but but all his all his beats have been weak. Even the beef what common most people don't even know about that beef issue was real subtle. Then he had the beef with what was the pushup?

Anthony: 20:15

Yeah, he knew better Yeah, he knew better he knew better like you know you don't want to park A batteries on trust me leave push alone, but you push out that's why I have pushed this so high when we did on this before. Like right Drake is Drake is smart because he's still pretty young. I think he's 34 but he's so calculating. Like he knows enough about not necessarily about hip hop but more about how music industry works, of how these hits go and so on so forth. It's who he is. And like said he's only gonna get better at this and mastered that skill. So like I said, Everybody know about Drake. That's one of them. Going further one I'm so that's why he's my number four break

Jeff: 20:50

the type of guy to say use the magic word after you ask him for something

Anthony: 20:55

to and had the old drink the grass that the grass is a grassy drawbar with a glass in the current here like no one to keep a shitload cuz that's your corretto not voice to do a light skinned ask them

Jeff: 21:08

my number three he's going to be one of the performers on this year's halftime 34 years old k dot Kendrick Lamar number three yes he's probably number one or number two and besides Drake is usually the next person up as Kendrick when you know today's young rappers that people talk about as far as lyricism and shit like that he's my number three though. The two guys I have above him I like more than more than Kendrick.

Anthony: 21:37

Yo man I believe his hate for him so y'all see I'm saying that shit Yahoo said this right alright cool. Oh my number three little Wayne he's 39 years old okay and like I said I always talk about hip hop in that sense like there have been only been you know in my mind only so many people who want a crowd like this like it comes and goes it's like the heavyweight championship builder world it gets passed back and forth between this person that person this person that person j had for a while cuja had for a while not had it for a little bit but for a while that gap between the old generation new generation Wayne where the South

Jeff: 22:12

and the South took over and you know Young Money and all of them took over and and cash money millionaires or whatever.

Anthony: 22:20

I mean, when was why would he Why would he when he was 14 years old,

Jeff: 22:24

but that's the thing too is hard to even reliever imagine that he's still in his 30s he's been doing this shit for so long. That wobble the wobble the shit I was in high school bro that's 20 years ago

Anthony: 22:34

after you pack it in my dad you know he's my

Jeff: 22:41

dad to be regarded as one

Anthony: 22:42

of the best rappers right now. Because he's really a rapper even with all his like drug use and everything that's going on like with good in that shit almost killed them and everything else like that. He's still one of the best in the world. He's one of dudes like, like I can take the crown whenever I want to. But it wanes on some shit I'm listening because I want to know what version we get in a clean way in the highway. Like I said, When you hear the song you hear that that lighter click on because we lighten up by every time

Jeff: 23:14

we say number one number two is going to be Jermaine Cole. Mm hmm. Jay Cole is 36 years old.

Anthony: 23:21

I'm so interested to find out who's everyone but already know my right wingers and

Jeff: 23:25

I'm gonna get shit for it. But this is my list. This is my preference and I really really really really liked this kid. Go ahead. Who's

Anthony: 23:31

your white bastard that list?

Jeff: 23:34

Was your second J Cole

Anthony: 23:37

J Cole is number two Hey, I'm interested to see who your number one is. Like Jay Cole came out like every time he comes he has his own fan base like Cole so good. Like no matter what, coca Trump's bullshit and still get all his

Jeff: 23:52

he was put out by Jay. He grew up listening to NAS and idolizing NAS you know what I'm saying? He's been endorsed by both right these are the guys I grew up listening to this is the type of shit the boom bap shit that I like. He's basically like a young mix of both of them. You know, I'm saying well then with today's shit, you know, I mean like, yeah, shit. I could I could fuck with him.

Anthony: 24:14

I think a different because Cole is like, he's his own person. Like, I mean, he signed a Jay but that doesn't mean he needs a rap like Jay he was influenced by NASA but doesn't really rhyme like nah, like no, his own creative way of being and doing like he's like he's amazing at what he does. You have people that just

Jeff: 24:31

absolutely should when he's like inside the limousine or whatever spin chillin and he you know, he talks about how they got him three behind Drake and the mall.

Anthony: 24:40

And I think that's the thing with him. Like, that's the nice part of him. He's like, he's just so like, deeply introspective about things. Like, I mean, it likes it to college graduate songs before when the St. John's blah, blah, blah. But it's like everything that he like he raps about and talks about his mind, weaves he stories about everything going on his life, the world. And like I said, it doesn't help but he's really really and I mean really fucking good at rapping. So tell me who you are. Number one, number two. Oh, Kendrick easy. Oh, that's right. Easily, easily. That's fair.

Jeff: 25:13

You already know my number one is

Anthony: 25:14

out. Look. I know, but go and tell the people go ahead. What are you thinking? Let's go ahead. You take them both, bro. Go ahead.

Jeff: 25:24

It ain't no bullets is an opinion. And I don't know why I always get hate for having an opinion. Nobody hates you. But you can put him above this dude is nice. Real nice, but his age. He's only 20 fucking four bro. I think he's ahead of his time because he's not there's no 20 year old rapping the way he's rapping. Okay. lyrical storytelling. boom bap, everything Hayden's core date format. Have y bn. And this has nothing to do because I already know I already know there's a few patrons out there, they're gonna be honest because he did that song with NAS is because he got that, you know, like it's like a nice game. No. And you know, I've been telling you about Korea even for years, have I not? I've been telling you about him since his first album came out. I was like, yo, who the fuck? Why is he associated with these other mumble rappers? And then I'm glad that he separated himself from the crew, because I thought the rest of them was just mumble rappers. And I'm like, Yo, this kid stood out because he spits spits

Anthony: 26:18

Oh, absolutely. You know what I mean? Okay, so Alright, so here's my model. Now it's

Jeff: 26:23

got a video too. He got him on. I forget what the name of the song is on the video with him. LeBron is at the table to eat and dinner. Whatever. brunch? brunch isn't his brother. I think it's called brunch. Yeah. All right. When you get an endorsement from NAS as well. That means Nice, nice.

Anthony: 26:37

It means you nice, but the whole thing is like, this is what you got to worry about him. Is he ever going to be a star?

Jeff: 26:45

We don't know that yet. Is he gone? And like I said,

Anthony: 26:48

he has the whole starter kit. And I'm not saying that to be funny.

Jeff: 26:51

No by saying don't get advice, but I'm not saying he's better than Jay Cole. I'm not saying he's better than Kendrick. Lil Wayne, obviously he has a long way to go to get to those guys status. But right now out of all the guys that you know all these young cats. I like him more. Like I could listen to him all day.

Anthony: 27:10

But that's the whole question like you can is he going to be something that's going to have mass appeal? The boy could rap I mean he did rap rap. I believe that like I said he has everything you need. He like he has flow he has cadence he can ROM he's fucking date Naomi Osaka, that's his girlfriend, but they're just kicking it. Like you have everything that you have. You have a superstar spouse, you have the game phone up, you can wrap your house off, but like are you going to be a star? And it might move up quick because like I said, I don't know how much longer Kendrick gonna be rapping. I know. I know Drake going but he won't stay rapping like I think he draping. I mean, yeah, you could call it singing But come on, man, like you're trying to sing. But I actually drink in like 20 years like just doing a Vegas residency like he was gonna be rapping to be rapping forever. Cole Cole is gonna be rapping for a while but I think he's so much more interested in like social justice and things going on in the world that you'll probably spend more time that he still does that that's why it does a doll in the dream thing where like to constantly pay $1 he does a whole performance and you know, he tried to try to like help out help people uplift him, so on and so forth. Kobe is like he's like that tear below. But the whole thing is like I need to I need a song from you that just everyone just stops and says yo what the fuck like me? When 3002 that life at a party thing? It wasn't just because it was 3000 like when you heard the look like him rapping like foof hear her saying some shit. Like I need what are those in core day? And I know he has it in him because he has the ability but it's just like, Where are you going? Like like could you could you be Kindred? Possibly. Or maybe you end up like loopy like a guy who's who's well respected a lyrical assassin but like it never quite gets to where it needs to go. I don't want that fateful because I think of the younger rappers he's the one that's most talented and the one if you're looking for your quote unquote essential kind of hip hop sound it's him and understand why you put them there because like I know you just had them on your mind. I'm not gonna really argue with you like I just think like the other guys I think just the longevity and the history behind him probably weighs more with

Jeff: 29:21

the other guys are more accomplished. You know I mean, yeah, absolutely. But real quick before we go on a break because we got to bring our special guest on us after the break we have Professor lyrical coming on but I want to do the word of the winner of the week. And this week it's peace. Pa see you know not like world peace. But this is a word that I use a lot you know, especially when I'm saying bye yo Peace Peace you can use it to say hello just like I did you know at the beginning of the episode Peace Peace it's probably I would say this is probably the oldest word like slang hip hop word would you agree we've been saying in the culture

Anthony: 30:04

p i think piece and word is bond is like wanting to like they're right there but

Jeff: 30:10

I want to visit the movie how high we met them and rent man my favorite parts is when the white dude we've met the man says peace you know he's leaving the classroom and then the white dude bark says you know trust to be a bitch to math and he's like pieces meant to explain the state of tranquility. tranquility so why don't you try finding a way to say goodbye now that you're amongst civilized people. And then met the man is like, Well, Mr. civilized peace can also be used interjection aliy as a request greeting or farewell. So try to find another way to be an asshole. If you don't know your grammar that is peace. So we'll Be right back yo after this commercial break with Professor lyrical.

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Unknown: 32:20

Yeah they represent a culture to represent like the culture

Jeff: 32:26

podcast I we back yo we got a special guest in the building from Lowell Massachusetts we got he's an underground rapper if I can even call him that he's also a college professor my man Professor lyrical was going on Yes sir yes sir. What's good what's good thank you for joining us man. No, can I call you an underground rapper? Is that like

Professor Lyrical: 32:47

a man yeah it's so that's somewhat someone has been most of my reality so yeah, it's I get the tag man I appreciate appreciate any tag Really?

Jeff: 32:59

Tell us a little bit about yourself man.

Professor Lyrical: 33:01

Well yeah you started off right man you said low I'm from Lowell Massachusetts originally are lower for those of you unfamiliar is a site 20 miles north of Boston. It's kind of like its own little world and yeah, I grew up we all want to be an MC since time I can remember when and then also realize that once I started I got into UMass Lowell which is the university there and my dad wasn't really able to he was kind of skirt so we did the military thing he didn't think he'd be able to do it. He was like sort of kind of like a mechanic you know I'm saying so he was kind of nice with like, you know, parts and all that kind of stuff but he hadn't figured he'd be able to Yeah, but do you figure you'd be able to do like engineering at a real school like that so he's a little scared of it What did the military thing but uh, what was funny is when he did the military thing I saw him go through correspondence school and get a degree later and I saw a life change and I was like, yo, that college thing like he was doing he was doing college by the time I was in high school and that's actually when I started getting serious about it I mean, you saw the tangible you know, change both my parents were from law mass both the two sort of cities that were the two I should say the two streets in the city that was sort of like the most notorious ones, you know, that you wouldn't want to be in but later in life, kind of like me they also were able to move like their parents move to a nicer part of the city kind of thing so um, and my mom was able to do the same thing for me kind of had the foresight to do that. So anyways, the reason I say all that is because it kind of gave me the one foot in one foot out kind of thing and I saw how life definitely changed in a different like a much more suburban area than where I was born into and just opportunities open and so when I got the chance to go to college, y'all I was obviously still rapping and I just as soon as I got out one of the things that I wanted to do was to figure out how to get involved in education seriously, I didn't go for education but in the back of my mind it was like the kind of thing that I knew that maybe I could do and maybe I'd have the ear of the youth kind of thing but I was able to get that opportunity and then open up alternative high school and Lowell and start teaching as an adjunct college professor just part time and little by little just kind of built up those credentials and never stopped doing the hip hop so that's how the two go together

Jeff: 35:15

and you know I've listened to some of your stuff and you you don't I mean I grew up obviously with boom bap and I feel like you know, you bring lyrics and boom bap and I mean I'm mumbling not talking nonsense. What did you grow up listening to whatever Did you cuz you told me one of your favorite rappers was AZ

Professor Lyrical: 35:28

Yeah, yeah, that's it right there. I mean that yeah, I mean, like, obviously NAS and Jay Z and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, in an era before that, I mean, in fact, I was reaching out to like cane today like those kinds of people obviously, like huge pillars of hip hop and you know, the cane the rock cams. That called grabs that, you know, I'm saying all those kinds of people Public Enemy, and then you know really later on I think I was probably more influenced to be honest by like the fujis I mean just you know groups that were real in the music cavity that will kind of show me how old way because I was trying to I was trying to break into the college crowd I'm 50 now Okay, so um, and but when I stopped Yeah, but I'm

Jeff: 36:09

assuming at your age you did you grew up listening to rock him and Slick Rick yeah and kuji rap?

Professor Lyrical: 36:13

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like the the first people that I mean, the biggest the biggest inspirations would definitely Kane and rock him. But the thing is, is at that time, like, I wasn't thinking I was gonna make a career of hip hop. I was like, listening, I was immediately doing it. I mean, I was like, actually, since I was in first grade, I was writing like poetry and stuff like that. And then, you know, that was back a whole generation before that, you know, when like, right when Run DMC started to catch on everybody wanted to rap and Michael Jackson and all that stuff, everybody was breaking at that time. And that's what everybody did. And I was already getting accolades for like, the creative stuff. So but I've just never ever stopped, you know, and never had any plan to stop after I really saw in that next wave, like I was talking like that fujis wave in that next wave of when I saw that, that you were actually able to bring it to like, college crowds. And I was already trying to marry the two I was trying to figure out, like, how I could make, you know, the academic run, and then try to stay in that world in terms of like, hip hop, because that's sort of my lane, you know, intellectual but not

Jeff: 37:16

like, I'm gonna ask you like, literally, I was gonna ask you do you have to be a conscious rapper? In order to you know, I'm saying, attract the college crowd? Or do you listen to conscious rap? Because you teach as well?

Professor Lyrical: 37:27

Yeah. Yeah, that's a great question. I don't I don't think so. Not I mean, I think they do go hand in hand, the more you are in an academic environment, the more you're going to be exposed to different ideas, different cultures, different people. And you know, that's that's kind of the beauty of going to a university, whatever, is that you get exposed to a lot of things you didn't necessarily come in with, and it opens you up to different things. And that's kind of what I mean by the music that I got opened to different music, you know, the roots, the fujis kind of stuff. I was like live bands, all that stuff would make a lot of sense. But my lyrics have always kind of started out on sort of two footings It was either straight up battle rap kind of stuff, or it was music with a message. And really, there wasn't always a combination of the two happening. You know what I mean? It was like, Cain was sort of the closest thing you could find to somebody who was like, sort of conscious battle rapper that didn't really exist, you know what I mean? So that's probably why I had the gravitation right there. And that became such a big inspiration. And he made it 3d and colorful. It was like when I heard Kane for the first time, I was like, straight up. I'm like, this is a rapper who doesn't suck, you know, because I was listening to a lot of old school rappers and I really wasn't like, I was liking the music, but I was like, the lyricism was like your little Mother Goose, you know? And your king and he was like, Whoa, okay. I didn't realize that was in the rulebook.

Jeff: 38:47

And Big Daddy Kane was big puns, favorite, and Bitcoin is in my top. He's looking for, you know, J and he always talked about Cain. I was gonna ask you growing up like, obviously, you obviously did the whole college thing. You wanted to also be a rapper? Did you know you were going to do both? Did you want to do one or over the other? Did you want to do rap just as a side gig ever? I write my follow up question to that is, did you being a white boy affect that? Like, you're not a man? Did that make it harder for you in a black man's game? Basically, I mean, I know this is the type of question obviously you're gonna get this

Professor Lyrical: 39:19

definitely goes. It was definitely two big ones. So the first one you said Did I know like, I heard Cheb rock speak at Harvard. And I took I think the train to get to Harvard to hear him speak. And again, I wasn't from an academic family. My dad's thing was the closest thing to it, but he was doing correspondence school, he didn't go to college, you know, like you think of you know what I mean? And so I've missed that boat. My mom is certainly not from an academic family either, and hasn't No, you know, knowledge of that kind of stuff. She was like, he didn't have that kind of push. Right. So but when I heard him speak Chubb rock spoke at Harvard. And I just wanted to get there to hear Chubb rock, right. And I was like, Yeah, I can be in the same room with a, you know, established rapper, and he talked about having his masters. And I thought that was the coolest thing I ever heard, because I didn't even know what a Masters was straight up. I didn't know what a Masters was. I thought doctors were people that did medical stuff, right? Oh, and it's hilarious. Now having a doctorate and thinking of that, and it's something that I always remember to share with the students. So yours, God, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I know, the students don't know that either. Because it's like, if I didn't know, why should I think everybody else would know, you know, so always start with that. But so yeah, I started making that idea. Probably right around when I turned 20. And I started thinking, again, I wasn't trying to tell anybody, but I was like, Yeah, I could see myself teaching through the music. And then, you know, also using the culture itself to bring more people into things like math and science that they wouldn't necessarily want

Jeff: 40:46

to be in. You know, Unless you was like I'm gonna I'm gonna get my masters and I'm old my masters.

Professor Lyrical: 40:52

Yeah, right right right. Yeah, Pharaoh much says that. Yeah man um yeah he has he has a dope line about that slave to a label but I own my masters. Yeah. Yeah but Pharrell by the way we're crazy another MCs just insane talk about how

Jeff: 41:08

hard it was Don't try to get into a black man's game

Professor Lyrical: 41:11

you know you know like a lot I hear a lot of people with the sob story of this kind of stuff I'm really not in that camp of the whole like Yo it's been so hard

Jeff: 41:19

It should i mean i'm story type of shit. Yeah,

Professor Lyrical: 41:22

I think I've had it easier to be honest with you. I think that um, I think because I always started out doing it like very very hard and intention like I'd sit in my room and not go to birthday parties from the time I was very young you know I'm saying like I would just know I got to work on being the fastest I got to work on having the dopest punch lines I got beat maybe because of the recognition with thinking that it was going to be boy I bet to be on my a game if I ever compete in a black and brown sport predominantly right? And don't get Don't get it twisted. They were like some of my biggest like mentors in my community were either Latino or white MCs there were a lot of it was I shouldn't say a ton but there was enough of them that it wasn't like it wasn't totally out of the norm. You know, it just you weren't seeing maybe on the mainstream. So it wasn't like I have a thought that that was impossible maybe but shout out to my man def rock who actually did the graffiti behind me he was a white MC from lol just legendary three skill. MC DJ, Matt, incredible graffiti artist, you know, so it's like, it wasn't like I was the only person right I get you though of course I was probably in the one or half percent or whatever. But But now I think a lot opportunities have come to me and I think they still do and I speak on that quite a bit. Like, I'm not like oh, yo, so shunned or whatever, like, most time if you're being a good person and and you're trying to do things for the right reason, I don't think people are just trying to be, you know, like jerky boys for no reason. Yeah, you're gonna occasionally have people that are like that in any walk of life. But it's like I was gonna say the N word. Right? But there's a lot of things to like, I mean, that obvious stuff like that. Yeah. But there's, there's other disrespectful things that people do, right, just everyday stuff, you see white people cutting people of color off at the bank in the grocery store all the time, you know, and it's like, you either see that and know what's happening, or you don't. And if you come from that mindset, it's not hard to be appreciative of an opportunity. It's you've been given it a lot of people have not in, like I said, in a sport that is predominantly not for the less melanated, of which I am in that category.

Jeff: 43:21

So real quick before I move on, because I don't want to spend too much time on this whole black and white thing. But there's one conversation that I have with Anthony a lot is the whole it's the whole m&m situation where you know, all of my black friends, none of them ever put m&m on their top. I don't matter of fact, I don't even know any black people that consider that acknowledge m&m. And when I asked them why, when he's one of the best, you know, they always give me the same. I can't relate to his music. And I want to put it into that narrative because I can't relate to Jay Z selling cocaine. I never sold it. But I recognize Jay Z is one of the but he's on my top five. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. I mean, Anthony, I always go back and forth with this shit. So I wanted to get your opinion on how you feel about that. Like the whole narrative. I can't relate to him and I'm sure he's a white boy. He shows his mama trailer trash ever. But you've acknowledged that he's nice. You don't I mean,

Professor Lyrical: 44:08

I'm right with you. I acknowledge his skill. I don't listen to him regularly. You know, I remember when his first stuff came out. I was like, Who is that before I even knew what he looked like. Right? So you gotta honestly say okay, clearly he has skill, right? Like I heard to do rap and I was like, I've never heard a person rap like that before. Who is this? And this dude has lethal skills you can tell right away, right? No, when I saw what he looked like, and I figured out you know, I was like, okay, m&ms, Marshall. I was like, Yo, this dude's a problem but you know not to make it sound like to put myself on that kind of world. I was sort of living that life you know what I mean? Like I was in all the major MC battles I was battling everyone locally usually winning I lost one major one which was the battle for supremacy was supernatural mad skills really, I've been in the battle game for a long time freestyle. I want to see this you know that one that use funny supernatural The other day I put I said I put a shout out and I said some buzz supernet in the thing Oh no, I put what I did I put the article that I was in for that I was just going through old like articles and stuff like this. And I put one on supernet chimes and he goes I'm dropping shit like giant ass cheeks have a run up in the sky. My opening punch line in 1993 and dude has that like ingrained in his head you know so whenever I see that he's like yo jumping ship like giant as chicks hovering up in the sky you know dude has like a memory that's insane but I'm sorry to get off the topic but but um, so I was living that kind of life like I I was booed on that stage because I came out too arrogant wasn't because I didn't have skill I came up to arrogant and I was like, who wants to hit me ROM over these wack beats not knowing that those beats were from Clark Kent who hand picked me to be the bad Yeah talk about and the crowd is like no boo like yeah and I'm like what what they don't understand how dope I am like you know what i'm just all big headed or whatever you know you're young and you stupid you know I'm saying and so I came out that but then later I was winning battles and like Zulu Nation battles and you know like had like Kool Herc saying that dude is the man you know I mean those kinds of things put you know pushing me through to the next rounds and stuff on East Coast finals and Harlem and all that kind of stuff that was like 9596 then came back to Boston it just won tons of them also lost a couple and those always been hard so I've lived that life I'll bring that up just to say that like so I respect the you can't not acknowledge the punchline but I also don't relate and maybe for different reasons. Like I've never done a drug in my life right? I come from Lowell Massachusetts, which is the the capital of high on crack street which was an HBO documentary crack and drugs all around low and even though I got to go to the suburb schools and you know, my family was still there I moved out and I came back and I've always been part of law but I was sheltered by fear because I didn't want to be like another person drinking another person. You know how to family friends all kinds of stuff all kinds of sob stories you know, and I was scared straight from it and it was like and I wanted to be like Kane who was who I thought was so fresh was never talking about drugs was never talking about and stuff and I was like that's how I'm Cesar you can hear kuji rap back in the nine talking about peddling dope or anything like that. Later on he switches it up and he gets into the gangster kind of you know kind of life or whatever and maybe his life changed or whatever but I'm saying when I heard m&m talking about you know, I'm an addict I'm popping pills and bla bla bla and the trailer to me too it's it's not that I don't relate. I can relate like you said I don't have to I can picture if you're good storyteller you good storyteller I don't need to have lived your life right we don't we don't only read books that are about our life or when we I'm going to go see the matrix I'm not freaking Neo you know I'm saying but I can't wait to see that point. You know, I'm not black panther but it's like my favorite movie you know what I mean? So it's like of course you don't have to live it exactly. But what's tough I can't get past his voice has has always been really challenging for me. He sounds like he's whining a lot of times and I'm just like dude if you just wrapped like in a normal voice like my biggest fans

Jeff: 48:02

like he has multiple different voices to like yeah the earliest stuff sounds different from his today shit

Professor Lyrical: 48:07

I think yeah his his like maybe his regional accent or whatever it was he was essentially we all we all do that we all change we all learn our you know our language is learned you know I'm saying but it's like when I hear myself on the microphone I can listen and go you know what that's if I'm going like this it's that can be kind of irritating. I might want to take it down on though you know, I mean, he just always seems to not

Jeff: 48:29

only beat my only beef with em was the goofy shit because i don't know i know you got to make fun songs and all of us and radio friendly shit for like for like the first three or four albums half of the show was the goofy shit. And then the other half would be the serious you know, toy soldiers. And, you know, say goodbye to Hollywood type of shit. That's the shit. I like that goofy shit. Hi, my name is I don't want to hit you know,

Professor Lyrical: 48:50

I mean to me, to me, that's why I like rice so much. It's like, you know, rice to me is m without all of a lot of that stuff.

Jeff: 48:57

I've always said that Royce is the only person that has never been killed by m on a track ever. Yeah, he's always up to par or better than him on every feature that he knows. You

Professor Lyrical: 49:06

know, he knows he knows what he's in for. Yeah, so but I'm not, I'm not not acknowledged. It's like the LeBron haters or whoever you have it. It's like to no matter how much you hate LeBron, you got to acknowledge that he's one of them.

Jeff: 49:17

And I also do what you got to.

Professor Lyrical: 49:19

I'm from Boston, of course, you know, I'm saying but I acknowledge it, I get it. It's like what's the brother got to do to prove to you that he's, he's legit, right? You come up with every excuse, and he's got the trolls and it's like, yeah, say what you want about some of these dudes. I don't care who it is. It's like Eminem. looks the way he looks. I get it. Right? I certainly understand. But he also sounds way he sounds to me. He doesn't make it easy sometimes on himself, but I have to admit, all the M Bashan like when he was you know, battling Machine Gun Kelly and all this stuff. It's like nitpickers who want to say like, part two of the matrix wasn't as good as part one, right? Yeah. Okay, but it's like, I'm spoiled. And I want to go see that because it would be the dopest movie I ever saw if I didn't see part one. Right, right. So I'm not going to sit there and nitpick and I'm like, dude, the bars that Eminem was spitting against Machine Gun Kelly. Were ridiculously insane. And I'm not a huge fan of them, but I gotta go Yo, do you know the degree it's like, Who's the dude that hit his head Greg Louganis right dive in and the Olympics. The degree of difficulty was like off the chart all the time. You know what I'm saying? And it's like you got to acknowledge whether you down with with his well you say lifestyle, whatever it is, dude, his dues got that crazy degree of difficulty. You got to at least say Yo, he's nice. And I'm not too proud to say that he's one of the nicest that I've ever heard. I just don't pop them in my deck, so to speak.

Jeff: 50:35

And I just want to let him ask the back and I saw him nodding his head and like I said, me and him always have this this argument like Why don't you have them in your top? Why don't you have your top and he gives me

Anthony: 50:45

that because you're saying that like I have a problem with me. I'm not doubting his ability, not a doubt in his ability to be a storyteller to rhyme, do these amazing couplets to pieces all together? And I'm not saying because it's an art form dominated by minorities that there's not a space for. What I'm saying is that even though I can appreciate his lyricism not that I'm necessarily a fan of his content that's it like I'm not saying that I relate to them like a lot of the rap music I listen to I don't relate to not a drug dealer not a dope deal I don't I don't hate my mother i don't i don't i don't know whatever it might be right but like I said, like say you don't like the goofy stuff but it's like it's I accept that that's part of who I am is like he's so you'll stretch I mentioned like you're not gonna see anytime you ever see like your quote unquote favorite hip hop artist try to do those kinds of things. They failed that's why you know when when NASA here told us some shorty show me some ice and doing ucci while he is not here with you all right all right,

Professor Lyrical: 51:52

but the thing would not have the second

Anthony: 51:55

m doesn't have that roof because you can't identify him as this like he's not you see a backpack oh he's not like a gangster he's just he just a guy who raps so we have that ability you can hit gym rat for right right and your your your purview of the landscape is expanded because I can do whatever I want I'm not pigeon holed into this like we talked about Royce. You're going to talk about versus like this amazing lyrical guy but if he did some goofy shit like well that's not Royce with me you can't do that. So like I said, it's not his ability. I love his ability. That has cons like Is it for me?

Jeff: 52:27

court is one I just wanted to put an end to the narrative because I hear this a lot. You know what I mean? Like oh, Lord Jamar gets out of Georgia Mars a different case. I don't want to use him as an example but for this case, you know, you're a guest in the house of hip hop, you know, white boys are guests in the hopper. Yeah, but you know what Latinos whites black we've all been there since the beginning like you couldn't have Def Jam without Rick Rubin right you know, I'm saying what Beastie Boys? The boys like you did a Ll and you need to Run DMC but you also need to Beastie Boys you need at Russell Simmons but you also need to Reuben you're not I mean like we've been there

Professor Lyrical: 52:58

also been to plenty of events in plenty of life situations where it just happens to be the white dude you just want to punch in the face I mean it's very easy to see a lot of people just go do we you just simmer down you don't I mean let's take it down a notch and play your role man I

Jeff: 53:14

mean I see the same shit with big pot like I said but but obviously I'm Latino so I'm biased because you know obviously Big Pun is the first real Platinum selling Latino rapper we ever had. But I don't see the black community also acknowledging them you know and I don't want to make us a black and white thing but is it because you know me I want to hold a culture so dear Yeah, that just forget that we've been there too. Like from the beginning you know? Anthony is laughing but you know I feel like Yo, sometimes you got to let go like we're all we're not all guests this shit belongs to all of us I feel

Anthony: 53:42

it's it's not hating on fun man. Or you're bringing this punches I don't have fun either.

Jeff: 53:48

situation where am like I never mentioned him when I tell him when I asked you like who's the top? Top 20 Oh, ese is right you know i mean but black people don't mention m&m they don't mention Bitcoin ever and no list top 20 they're not in it.

Anthony: 54:02

But it's honestly and and God is my witness is no fault against pun. And I'm gonna say this with all sincerity. It's just that he had like literally his life was cut short so early. So he wasn't

Jeff: 54:16

he has literally the exact same amount of records as big. He has two solos and then a joint venture with his crew. three albums.

Professor Lyrical: 54:23

They had the massive massive massive cosines just that catapulted him to the next level

Anthony: 54:30

because the machine behind them like Yeah, yeah, like like Tupac was gonna be Tupac but Tupac as we remember him his death row Tupac Yeah, not not to pocalypse now but like they once you got the machine behind your back punch never had a chance

Professor Lyrical: 54:43

to park I didn't like to park as much because I didn't like Bishop I don't like that Do you? I was I was hating I was hating on Bishop and I was like then I got to listen and I was like you know what? Maybe I was a little judgmental maybe he's not Bishop

Anthony: 54:56

Bishop one of the code is correct mmm Whoa, when you murdered dude and how have this mug like yo dad like I oh

Professor Lyrical: 55:03

boy like Dude, like he played that to real I'm like he's gotta be like at least 50% of that dude.

Anthony: 55:08

And and I know I know the document is talking about what I'm the thing and lo because it was with Dicky Eklund cuz I remember that from Oh yeah, I remember I remember. I remember. I remember watching that when the kid like men, the skinny white guy was like bugging out. Like, oh, when I fell on the mark Walker. Oh, yeah. I remember that.

Professor Lyrical: 55:26

But Yo, Dicky Eklund is related to this other family called the green arches. And when I grew up the green arches used to beat my ass when I was little. Like, like my cousin. He passed away rest in peace when he was 18 Dickie he was he was a silver mittens fighter. My grandfather was Golden Gloves. And you know I would do what I could you know what I mean? Try to hang managers bring me out there and it would just be like down by the ponds and stuff and just running behind stores and just like just whenever they get the chance to be like five of them jumping on us was just they were just all ruthless you know I'm saying that those that whole that whole side of the lane man I was that movie I saw a movie with my pops and that movie was right on I mean that movie was so realistic It was crazy. So you can live though by watching that movie

Jeff: 56:09

man for a while. But yeah, I wanted to ask you because in our last episode, we broke down illmatic versus Reasonable Doubt Yes, and then watched and then you told me you had a relationship with ski who was an executive producer on reasonable doubt. Yes. And then if you don't mind me reading when you know when you emailed me and I asked you you know you said my vote goes to reasonable doubt the reason I was didn't have that luxury life talk is because Jay and Biggie ushered that in by design and changed the game for that reason, Jay, but I love that NAS album and I feel it is a song or two too short for my taste. So I thought that was interesting. But like I said, Yeah, you have that connection with ski who was a producer on reasonable doubt. So obviously it's I need you to talk to me about that.

Professor Lyrical: 56:51

Yeah, man. So when I was in the battle for supremacy the next year I also went just to watch and my man fee for my group x cow we both went out to watch again. And I wanted to see it as a you know, just a observer, right? And so Jay Z they bring in Jay Z Dame dash comes in with Jay Z and he starts walking in Clarks there and he's like, Yo, this the nastiest MC in the world, he'll take out all young and 93 ski journey they were all over the place. They were doing all the shows, we went to the shows that time but not really making the recognition of like, who they were on that level yet. So I was DJing a radio show in 1995 at UMass Lowell, and there was we used to play proud when I make it for my mom and fi's mom all the time. And so we would play the song is like an anthem and in my boy DJ jam is from w mbrs at a point one which is in the basement of MIT in Cambridge, he DJ there on a Saturday night and so he's like Yo, he hit us up from our show which is like Like I said, 20 miles up the street kind of thing. He's like, yo, y'all gotta come down you boys skis in it wasn't our boy at the time but we're playing his record all the time he's like yo ski and original flavor coming down for an interview should come down here man because you're like their biggest fan right? So we did and I didn't want to at first I was like man about how we get there they don't believe in but we got there you know they were there was ski and T strong whatever and so I'm wrapping for him giving him the resume DJ is building me up to like Yo, he's nasties MC and ski basically in a very humble what humbling way to me He's like, I used to just go by Lord or lyrical Lord at the time. My last name is plourde and so Ryan will just call me lyrical law employed right? So he'd be like, yeah, like put he's put your side He's like, you're really nice for Boston. Oh, that's what he said to me. He's like you're really nice football. Because if I bring you into New York, they don't eat you kind of another he kind of another just MC you're good. But there's cats there right now. Like my man Jay Z is like his does what you do you know what he's like? You gotta hear I'm like, Yo, I know who he is. Yeah, like I heard his stuff you know? I know who he is. I'm like Yo, I was like you heard me like wouldn't be getting the venom and it'd be really big number I'm gonna make an American cinema ticket Never say never been in front of the panic American men of the physical the overcoming the medical, medical, medical clinical Unum anyone has ever been able to go with the liberal I was like rapping superfast English. Yeah, the piece the chip. That's my dude. So anyways, it was like, I was all that's what I did. 24 seven, but I did the slower stuff too. And the punch lines and all that. So in my head I'm like still, even after my little humbling experience in 93. But remember, I've won a lot more battles since then. Right? I'm like, Yo, I'm one of the nicest on the planet, bro. Like that's that was straight up I was like, when you're used to those accolades and where you're from, you know what I'm saying? It's hard to stay level headed when someone's telling you you're just average You know? So he's like, I'll tell you what, come on out, give you the number. Next time you out there we'll we'll we'll get you in the studio. We'll do some stuff. So I literally started the job in enterprise rent a car because I've never car to get there. And so I was starting a job enterprise rent a car got my college degree, and you need the college degree. We were already renting cars to do music stuff whenever we could. So we take it we go to New York, and we start doing it every weekend because the first three times we went skied and call us back so we would just go all the way out hope that he'd hit us back and this was still on the page. Never so what beeping Yeah, he's he's like yo busy in a session you know? Can't come yo Sorry bro can't do it now like d&d Studios studios is no this you see his house one time Oh curse okay up in the up in the apartment right? finally the fourth time he's like Yo, come on through now. So we get there. Walk in Jay Z's right there on the window. So coming up with vs right to camp lows on the couch. Right? We didn't know camera wasn't time you know, and skis like it was camp low. Yeah, it's low points. My feet. Don't even correct. Yeah. Not Not for a while. So Dane Dane Dashwood come through you know this was in the big jam big jazz they treat it like a god at that time. Shout out to my man snagglepuss who was always up in the place, man snag he was there you know red handed DJ handed DJ chubby chubby like oh and this is a man small place and every week they'll be different people in there so once we started laying out our first track, he would invite us back now we're coming down every weekend every weekend but we're getting in like a half hour ties he's like now Jays working on his verse and the verses he we're working with the ones that weren't unreasonable that this was 96 we working on this through 95 and 96 and we watched the entire camp lo album get made and meanwhile we have a similar sound like the funny part is like I ROM kind of like when I run slower I you could say I sound a little bit like j and you can say because I ran with the nasal the pitch and I run fast and write the content and be way different right and I have a slightly deeper voice and in a way it sounds like camp flow and it's funny because ski rhymes a little late fee the other do to my group and our record came out in 96 the one that we self produced because we had to start telling ski look bro we we've only done four tracks with you and we've come down like 50 times it's like this isn't working like I'm gonna have my mom's is ami like yo why you get this job you get this rental car job by this time I'm a manager and she's like, and I'm whipping the cars and it's like yeah, I don't even want to be a manager here I did this little hustle to get the cars but little by little we're going to shows with Jay we're going to shows with Dane what part of rocket block right so we're ushering in this whole new crew and so it's like we're at every show now and then I got the one of the shows I was at JC are booed off the stage wow and it was a it was yeah crazy right and but Jay pretty much just stood there and just like me or any other rapper who might have dope lines or whatever, if you don't know who he is and you're there to see someone else they were there by the way to see Keith Murray

Jeff: 1:02:38

Do you remember what you remember what song he was performing when he got

Professor Lyrical: 1:02:41

booed? No, no, no no, it was just the crowd it wasn't like he was doing bad right it was just the crowd wanted to see Keith Murray they don't know who you are. Yeah, exactly. And yeah another story I went to go see Biggie with Jay Z behind me in lie right? It's me Fie Jay Z ski. I can't remember everybody who's with us right? If they left me in fear he wouldn't let him and I'm like Yo, you really want to let him Ember right there Yeah, man. I was like hey, let's get that we were on the list. I was like yeah,

Jeff: 1:03:12

but how crazy but how crazy it would have been if they would have eaten performance how crazy it would have been they would have thrown you on a song on a reasonable doubt Oh yeah, I mean you're so different you're lazy to turn you know i mean

Professor Lyrical: 1:03:23

so here's the crazy part. It's like and again I got no complaints like things have gone pretty well of course they're not in that lane but the way things have worked out for me have ultimately I think maybe worked out the way that they should have I have no animosity whatsoever but the one issue I had in fi had we did have an issue with Dame dash and so they never liked us like a lot of he knew I was he knew I was the dude from the battle he knew I was one of those MCs that he was talking about right and he was always like ski while you given him those beats those are the heartbeats and we went record shop and witzke for the reasonable doubt album and the beat that he first gave to us and and other people have the same story I believe camera has a similar similar story to this to know a mace mace has a similar story to ski would be like looping up and chopping up the beats multiple different ways and giving multiple people versions of the similar one we went record shot the whiskey to the record store we seem to throw it out like $100 on one vinyl we'd never seen that. What are you doing? And he's like, yeah, I can give you samples.

Jeff: 1:04:23

Maybe a couple songs from them should

Professor Lyrical: 1:04:25

do it and the ones he had for us we would nitpick and we were like we don't even like we don't even like to have them and our friend who's a big radio DJ at the time he's like from from w ers in Boston which is Emerson which was the big station at the time that had Bob his song you have is crazy you got to put it out with like now we're kind of shifting our style a little bit away from like it's just like Jay Z was just like Jay Z was doing he was too animated and Dane would sit him down and be like Yo, you gotta like calm it down a little ski would skis really animate and he's like yo he ever come up ski on the track and get not you know what I mean? It's like a lot of breath and effects and my man fee is kind of like that but anyways just to sum it all up it was like we didn't really get we didn't see eye to eye with them we weren't dressed the right way to go to the shows he'd be like you got to change out of those clothes we'll walk it in and the formation and everything was very middle chakra you know what I'm saying? So that kind of insky was very loyal to Dame still is I mean that's his dude You know, I'm saying Dame Dame really helped putski on obviously Jay Z or whatever. And so it was just always kind of awkward while we're driving all the way down. And at that show the one I'm talking about the he got booed off day made a big deal about it after he's like, yeah, how you guys gonna leave because you fail whether you leave and you're going back to Boston, like bro, I'm working at 730 in the morning back leaving from New York City at three in the morning to get my butt back to Boston for my job that I want. You ain't paying me bro. I'm like yeah, so it was like,

Jeff: 1:05:47

but what what became a gave you though

Professor Lyrical: 1:05:49

oh so so anyways good presidents man oh presidents beat

Jeff: 1:05:53

and I had a quiz and I had a fucking question for you but then president because I was holding I

Professor Lyrical: 1:05:57

have a remix to it that ski only heard like four years you're gonna have to manage and you're gonna have to send me to it it's it's all my sport it's all my SoundCloud actually I was here and he's like yo he goes you sound it's good and I was like oh crazy that

Jeff: 1:06:11

you would mention that because one of the questions I had and I was hoping that you had some inside information that presidents the old Part One produced by ski they made a video of it they released the video his album comes out and they don't release that song they release Part Two with different verses. I want to know what the story behind that was.

Professor Lyrical: 1:06:31

I don't really really know the

Jeff: 1:06:33

audio for it and then on the album you make a part two and then change the verses like part one I know

Professor Lyrical: 1:06:38

Jay i know i know Jay had hella verses is really the easiest way to say it I know Jay had hella versus and I'm gonna just say dude is an alien I mean the dude's process is like an alien and like dude is like nobody I've ever seen you know insert like I write in my head to that I wasn't writing in my I wasn't writing in my head that I was gonna ask Matt it's like that he doesn't write on paper you know what he did have paper but it wasn't like at that time he did but most of what he did was just sitting on there listen to the beat even camp low What's one camp load was the C camp low has some paper too but you know what their processes we've never seen anything like this a freak this up gets you will get up to the microphone and be like, Yo, I'm hobbling. I'm on the board and humble and then he'll stop and it'd be like Alright, so what's the next part gonna be and then they just trade back and forth back and forth until until they are happy with it and they're just saying it as they walk up to the mic. And that's basically what Jay does but Jay does it in like one take you know, to Jay walk up to the mic and it's like bam bam bam bam bam. And it's like yo When did he come up with all that and you're like you did that while you were just sitting on the window so I'm saying that was just just crazy right but but yeah, there was a notebook and stuff like that but it was like he wasn't really using it you know, like having a thought or an idea whatever. And in this day and age it's funny I do the same thing a lot but I'd much rather write with paper because of necessity I'm driving in my car and I'm like I say the rhyme 15 times I can have 16 bars in five minutes and no I'm pretty well you know I'm saying but you got to do it over and over and over but I got rhymes I got the ROM I said to that memorize because I said it so many times and they kind of stick in your head you know what I mean? And it's not if you push yourself like that as an MC you'd be surprised what you can do and but he just Yeah, he's like an alien that he's on a whole different level but bars for days. That's all it was.

Jeff: 1:08:20

And now your crew is pro quo. Is that the name of the crew? Yeah, so

Professor Lyrical: 1:08:24

propose a duo. Okay, it's

Jeff: 1:08:25

a duo? Yeah, it's

Professor Lyrical: 1:08:26

pro and quot the idea that people will obviously call me you know, it's funny I couldn't put professor in Facebook when I originally started and I couldn't I couldn't write Professor lyrical that's what people call me being a professor right? Instead of just lyrical that was switching the professor they were building which was cool because you can google it right? Right and so I couldn't fit professor and so Pro is all you get on Facebook and everyone that I met within the last five years it's just like pro this pro that and I was just like yo Pro is actually pretty cool. Like I've no Pro. So unofficially people say pro and so Cuo used to go buy cocaine. He met me at a show in Lowell that I was doing like probably six years ago and was like yo, we got to do a project we had a project I was like nah, Bro, I wasn't saying no, but I was like yeah, maybe but I really don't do many collabs and the Oneness COVID stuff happened. I was like yo, he hit me back up he was like Yo bro he's like I got like 300 beats from like 10 different producers and he's nice you know and so I understand why people are throwing them to him and he's a different vibe than me he's more like a Mobb Deep ish you know and I'm kind of I don't know what I am you know I'm kind of in the like I said I'm inspired by like Daisy and Kane you know and stuff like that and you know Jay NAS all those kind of people but Pharaoh so it I'm more like best way to explain it is when you listen to stuff he's like this how we say it like I really pinpoint in what the topic is and Jay is much more like ether like he's like the he's like the the heartbeat of the track he's like the soul of the track you know what I mean? he captures the vibe and I like laser in on the top of that said hey, do you consider

Jeff: 1:09:56

yourself Oh, rapid II rap rap rapper. You know I'm saying oh lyrical miracle

Professor Lyrical: 1:10:01

rap. Now I consider myself that I consider myself someone who can stop the room and grab all the attention in the room for the right reasons. When I first started out, I wasn't that person. But I have something to say. And I'm very intentional about it. Like when I said like, I believe Life is short. And it's like I'm not trying to do anything silly. I'm not trying to waste my time or yours. You know, I mean, and it's like, if you want a song It's like motivational. I'm going to give you a motivational song and I'm not going to fill it with all craziness. I'm going to tell you real life issues that need to be addressed in a way that I think sounds pleasing you I'm saying and like that that's the best way I can describe it and but I have the ability to do all the all the gymnastics in freestyle wise argue You know on that level of where like, I can go forever You know what I mean it sound like it's written and while you throw numbers at me adore whatever and I can ride around in five minutes that'll sound like it took three years. This is all I do. I mean it's not all I do but every day I do it, you know what I mean? And I've been doing it I got records on my wall from 1989 you know what I'm saying? So this isn't something I just started doing you know, so people will hear the finished product now. Anybody like oh my god, I can't believe like I never heard of you or something like that. And it's like, yo, bro, it's like, first of all, when you're doing a real job, and you're trying to find ways to blend it, this you sort of put a peak on yourself in terms of like the maximum of what you could do and no one at a young age but the reality was the most people were broke in hip hop, you know, Jay is a certain exception, but the formula that he did that he followed was very methodical and intentional to be that dude. And anyone can can do something similar meaning you can have a business plan if you've got someone who has that level of talent and you all buy into essentially that's what a lot of movements now see and do. But it's like what I do is I'm trying to represent real thoughts real life real mature kind of stuff, and I've been doing mature stuff since I was like 22 really after I get had to become more mature. And we've always had kind of a grown up sound without sounding like old men. But uh, so that's kind of kind of where I'm in in the pocket but you know people hear the finished product and be like, yo, but now man I've been doing this for like well over 30 years

Jeff: 1:12:15

you know what I mean? So without detract from the fact that you are a professor like how do you use rap? You know, in your teachings like to teach your students right? This man like, Professor lyrical, you go, he's on Wikipedia, you go Wikipedia, this band, and it'll tell you that you know, your use rap and your teachings.

Professor Lyrical: 1:12:32

Yeah, like, like the way the ways sometimes it gets overblown. Yeah, like, I mean, this is where I teach online right here. Right? So this is how I use hip hop. You know, I'm saying, it's like, it's not it's not hidden. You know what I mean? Right? Not, it's not, I can even say arrived for later if you want kind of, kind of explain it, but it's like, it is what it is, it's like, obviously, we can have these conversations will happen in the middle of my classroom. That's the difference. You know what I mean? It's like, like, when you and I teach at HBCU, historically, black college and university, right? And so it's like, it's not like that it's some Midwest school where people aren't informed about hip hop culture. Right? Right. So it's like, and I'm also the faculty advisor for our artists collective right. So we're trying to get people you know, freestyle rapping, doing art and all that kind of stuff. And so everyone knows and it isn't like a secret and sometimes it was at certain schools and that would be funny too. And that has its own can of worms that would be funny, but it's just being involved with the culture and when people talk about meeting people where they're at it's like why not bring hip hop culture into the classroom without it having to be the professor rapping all the time you know yeah, I might rap on the first day my rap on the last day or special event here in there, but for the most part it's trying to get students to do that kind of stuff it's kind of using hip hop is therapy is journaling and it's you can write arrive in my class that would work you can you prove we're going to do a paper about like I teach a course that is like, best way to display this for like people who aren't STEM majors that are just going to go into a career that doesn't need stem so they take a class that is more of like a we call it a general education kind of equivalent course like quantitative literacy. So in that class, you can have economics and finance and like I'm going to talk about the economics and finances of hip hop I'm going to talk about how Spotify only pays you point 0038 cents you know saying per stream and we can talk about like why rappers broke right? We can talk about like, what is the system that's holding rappers back there's no money in streams like I just feel like I want to tell him to say that every interview I mean, yo if y'all are chasing streams and you think you're gonna be the next best thing you need to switch a business plan you know I'm saying like you might be that one at a billion but is that the business plan you really want to follow you know I'm saying so what's the what's the other thing you can do? You know, what's the other way you can flip it and we all know about flipping it and trying to make something out of nothing which is the essence of hip hop so it's those kinds of things it isn't you know sitting there and go yo we're going to do the rapper the rap stuff. 24 seven, you know,

Jeff: 1:14:51

I always tell me would be corny as a student I always thought a story about CEO of seeing cannabis walking around times square with like, whoever his manager is boy with a sign saying, you know, like, take a picture with cannabis for $10 whatever it is, I mean, you know, obviously cannabis is not in the name or Jay Z or NAS he's you know, he didn't make it to that level. But still, you see guys have records and you see guys on TV and you think they're well off, you know? Absolutely. Yeah, he's on Time Square, asking people for money to take a picture with a machine. I was like, yo, cannabis Damn.

Professor Lyrical: 1:15:20

Well, yeah, like times are tough, you know, and I've seen way too much of that being backstage back in stage at the source awards, actually, in 95, I think was 9596. Yeah, but it was a 96 it was 96. But yeah, it's just crazy. Seeing the stuff that you see, you know, from way back and you're like, Man, this might not be the profession that I want to bank all my chips on, you know, I mean, so I never have I've always kind of went like, man, I'll be real cool with an extra 30 to $40,000 a year from hip hop. That has always been my business model. You know, I have only accomplished that a few of the years, right? But actually, a lot of times I come somewhat close. And when you I'm just telling you that MC you want to be if you if you want to humble yourself and do some college shows, right? There's money there. There's no money in clubs, unless you want that superstar status, you know, so it's like this money in sync getting your stuff placed into movies and TV and that's something I'm aggressively pursuing right now. So that's like the lane that a lot of people should be in during COVID because there's no shows. So it's like you need you need no samples and you need no curses. If you can do that, and you can write fast and you can write on demand. There's a market for you in sync but you've got to be a good human. You can't be dicking people around and talking to people the wrong way and not delivering what you what you promise you know, so Yo,

Jeff: 1:16:32

did you ever make it dimension number four Did you ever make it to the end with the rock that they take you up to? Yeah once a d&d yeah but it's funny because I've been trying to get Douglas and David on oh you know, I actually had communications with them yeah. And one of they probably shouldn't even say this but one of the dads you know had COVID or whatever so they were dealing with health issues and you know, I was like yeah we'll get back you know, because I will get back to you when we when we get that straightened out but I wanted to get those guys on again. I know they got all types they're actually on a

Professor Lyrical: 1:17:00

they're actually on clubhouse I was actually in the room with them on on clubhouse app. Oh, really? I can't I can't remember like what this yet is a lot of people that go in their room they just open a room every now and then it's DMV, basically and they've been there I've hopped in a few times it was like yeah but uh, but yeah, at the time like I knew what d&d was obviously but but now in retrospect it's like man that's crazy fee and I talk about it all the time. But like Yo, let's d&d while Jay Z was just crazy you know, like even watching can't blow through this stuff at skis was just a blessing you know? So many people you know, that just what but that's just one thing man and there's all these things that we that we get to do on a life it's like today might be the day that you do something that's like that in 20 years you know I could be talking about that but you guys or you could be talking about about me. Yo remember that time we had Liverpool in the studio. It was just some Professor rapper and I could be like yo Anthony Jeff Yo, I thought they were just doing a podcast and room they run the world now and if there's so many of those stories for me having been doing it this long, wherever I can name for you. I've opened probably for like 300 different people that a superstar major and at the time they were the superstar major. Even even when I moved here, right I moved is a perfect example. I moved to DC within within a month actually, the first week I was planning on doing the show, but within I did it A month later. And so this is crazy. My man do me well met in 93. At the battlefield supremacy in the crowd at that show, right? He was there. He's from a group called Zimbabwe legit on Hollywood basic Pharaohs label with the time with organized confusion. Do me and me hooked up. We start like rapping together doing these things. Every time I'd love to New York, I'll see him lifelong friend. He lives in Alexandria, Virginia, where I moved out to It's crazy. There's only person I know. I get out here he's like, yo, Bro, I got to get you in this battle. And the battle was at the Kennedy Center. And it was a bomb battle. And it was like me and my verse was an incredible female MC she's on you can as well a couple other people, West Felton, who's real nice. He's up in DC, just all kinds of crazy with eight of us, right? And he minds up these like high caliber MCs who can battle but who can also like be down with some corporate stuff. So we paired up with a corporation, and we did a pitch battle, like my Corporation was called sun culture. And it was on Kenya. And so I paired up with Samir Ibrahim, and I learned about his company doing drip irrigation for farmers in Kenya to like change their lives using like gravity kind of stuff, right? So these like these sustainable companies and goals, whatever, they pair us up, we have a rap battle, and I ended up winning it. And it was a real big bag, which I didn't even know I thought it was gonna be like only about $1,000 and turned out to be like 10 times that, right? So I was like, Yo, this is crazy. I'm like in DC, right? But from that dunamis at that event, I get to that event, I meet all these people here. And that's one of the first connections and only connections that I actually have when I came out. But all the all the kinds of people that were in that think about this before COVID, right? I'm looking at, you know, MC light is hosting it. And she's like, oh, there we'll go blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, yeah, this is a dream come true. I've met MC light a few times. I got to open for once before but she Remember, you know, she's like, yo, nice, right? That's great. You love that you live for these moments. Things you can tell your kids about right? But at the same time, it's like Doug e fresh comes through beatboxes as they announced me when and he's like, yo, bro you off the chain. I'm thinking that's great, right? But the DJ at the event, someone that I also met doing Jay Z shows back in the day that one of the clubs was DJ D nice, right? And I'm talking to D nice like Yo, nice with it. I know you do a photography, you probably don't remember me from back in the day, and who we think the DJ D nice out of all those names you're just met is the one who's on top of the mountain right now. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, it's just crazy. So if I would have told my mom let's say that, you know, DJ D nice DJ, she'd be like, who But now my mom might be like, oh, that dude was on Instagram popping up. So there's so many stories like that, that we all have and then you learn to appreciate people for just who they are instead of like, who they, you know who they will be or who they, you know, the essence of them as opposed to their whole status and stuff. You know what I mean?

Jeff: 1:21:04

But real quick before I let you go, man, how do you feel about the state of today's hip hop, bro? Like, I mean, obviously, I know there's something for everybody. You know, I mean, we don't like the mumble shit. I suspect you don't either. No, I'm not not not a big fan. But But here's the thing, though. But you know, I feel like the shit that we like, you got to look for it underground. You know,

Professor Lyrical: 1:21:22

there's, there's genius and everything. You know, there's somebody who does it really, really well. And there's somebody who does really poorly. And I think the industry has always been about taking the people who do it poorly, promoting them heavier because it's cheap labor and they can kick them to the side and bring someone in even cheaper to do it. Right isn't it's never really been about the talent. And the last couple decades, at least, right? In terms of like, who you hear on the radio sometimes. Yeah, sometimes it is and you're like, you got to give it up for people you got to be like, yo, okay, I may not be a huge baby fan, but I got to acknowledge that he has some skill, right? Like you can't just say Oh, they they're not they're not whatever, right? designer may not be your cup of tea. But yeah, I can listen to designer and actually be like, yeah, it's actually kind of hot. I can listen to a track or two. It's not what I'm gonna do, but I can respect what somebody else does. So I think that is obviously a massive oversaturation of people imitating if I hit one more person on a on a track like nine years bro you introduce every track with a you know what I mean? I understand you think you need to do that so that you feel cool about yourself but it once in a while we all do it because we listen to this stuff too. So you might catch me on a track doing it too and I slap myself in the head after I did it be like man Come on, but things influence us and we do change and if you don't you become one of the bitter old people sitting around in the room gone I don't know how to rap. Yeah, I cannot rap people that just go right but there's people who do that dope who's somebody next? Who's gonna be like Yo, pro? You gotta run more like that? Yeah, you know, who am I to tell them they're wrong You know, I'm saying

Jeff: 1:22:45

and the final question I access to every guest, your top five that are alive.

Professor Lyrical: 1:22:50

Wow. It's so it depends if it's from a skill level or just an achievement level, but I usually just kind of answer that thinking like, who I think is just incredibly dope,

Anthony: 1:22:59

right? Your answer whatever you want.

Professor Lyrical: 1:23:01

Yeah, I think Ferro March is the most talented human being who's ever wrapped in terms of what he's able to do. vocally. I think he's like an alien who chooses to just come and play with hip hop whenever he feels like it can come down. I think his verse on extinction agenda, which was like what 94 or something that may have been the greatest verse I've ever heard kick to this day and he did it in 94 It's better than maybe he could ever be and I think what he does now is like alien level and I think what I'm waiting for him to do a verse because it might be the greatest rap I've ever heard and he usually doesn't fail to deliver that's your wins yeah he's probably my number like you can't front he's a rapper that no one wants to say because you want to you want to like Forget about him it's it's similar with chip food you want to forget about chip food but if chip food comes to your right now you're gonna go that dude is arguably the most talented rapper I've ever heard in my life. You know chip foo will eat everybody's lunch every but no one wants to rap and chip foods around you know, I'm saying and I got a pack of vocal gymnastics that I can do that can rival anybody. They ain't gonna rival chip food and Pharaohs in that box too. So I'm placing just people like that because we so often just want to name the hot names to sound cool right now. We'll come crush any person you put you want to put a person up I'll put your pool up so he's gonna eat you know I'm not gonna put him in number two, because there's some just the classic you know what I mean do matter to me. I'd have to put j there you know and so for me to even put Pharaoh above j is crazy most people he's like yo How can you do I'm just saying Pharaoh is from a different time zone in space that I don't understand it and I'm just saying that I do is just represents everything that I will and content wise I love his content man I love what he's about. So for me it's probably Ferro Jay cane NAS chip that's probably this but I'm not mad at that lift.

Jeff: 1:24:55

I'm not mad at that.

Professor Lyrical: 1:24:56

But I'm a huge Jay Z guy and on any given day I might throw EZ number one or five to some of this

Jeff: 1:25:01

is a lyrical thanks for coming through what you got what you got going on what you want to promote man where can they find you man?

Professor Lyrical: 1:25:06

Man I'm actually gonna be I know the time might be off of this but I'm gonna be actually be up in New York next week with my team shout out to freedom corner brand that's the label. So our thing is freedom corner brain is the label our album is called Instant brotherhood we call it Yeah, I'd be hood for short Thank you appreciate it. 12 different producers from around the world lending to the production on that people from the Netherlands. We've got people from France on it's just it's just very all around the world but so shout out to IB hood instant brotherhood. We distributed through through so it goes like this. It goes freedom core. We have our own imprint. It's called time. Freedom corners. That is the is the freedom corner brand and my man fly who is also one The label he'll be in NYC with us as well he's dope he's a Christian rapper he's amazing that's the team and then family and friends is my man sin Crawford and low vision they they're our partners as well. So their label sins label friends family and friends is the one that's ultimately distributed by Sony orchard and that's how we're distributed by Sony orchard so I know it's a long list but shout out to all them our song final fire is doing the college truck thing right now got a video for that but um like I said, Man streams ain't gonna get anybody ain't gonna make anybody billions but yeah we'll take you pennies yeah what is Professor lyrical calm you can like you said you can search Professor lyrical pretty much you'll get a long list of ways you can find me all my you know social media is read the pro lyrical Professor lyrical shout out to pro quo shout out to my man quote and yeah man want

Jeff: 1:26:38

to send that you want to send the software a little maybe a 16 or maybe a

Professor Lyrical: 1:26:42

16 a 16 I'll give you 16 Let me tell you something. I'm Bill finish with the skills and we'll travel well you're Semi Pro what's your flow

Unknown: 1:26:50

your welfare Oh,

Professor Lyrical: 1:26:52

well, my desire was more Hagar than Pharaoh. I am not the typical rapper rapping babagana parable but uh stay flat whenever what's last classic but it's all because they'd rather be dropping or taking class around the chapel the Atlas speaking of campuses talking about these labels that have labeled former pairs these is in a knockin rocking prime it's on your pocket but it's all because monkey see monkey do windows go shopping. You got to drop a deposit on a vacation in the tropics because a train will come and go but all the stress smoking nor since I've done cards to colleges around the continent, a continental breakfast is in several different conferences, corporate endorsements in several different sponsorships all because he's acapellas up appear spit with flawlessness be

Jeff: 1:27:31

off so Sup man, I appreciate you stopping by man. Thanks for joining us and we'll see you at the top.

Professor Lyrical: 1:27:40

Yes sir. I appreciate it man.

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