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Nov. 1, 2021

Bother You - Niamarie Vargas Interview

Bother You - Niamarie Vargas Interview

Singer, Songwriter, and Afro-Latina artist NIA is in the house to discuss her young career, her journey,  the challenges that black women face in the industry, her inspirations and who her favorite artists are. Of course, the boys also make her break down her top 5 favorite rappers of all time. 

Other Topics Discussed in this Episode:

  • Jada Pinkett Smith
  • YaYa Mayweather
  • PETA bullpen issue
  • Ghetto Word
  • Iggy Azalea

Featured Song: Bother You - NIA

Ghetto Word of the Week: Gully
Urban Dictionary: gully

Special Guest: NIA
Pop/R&B Artist NIA Releases New Single “Bother You” (mailchi.mp)

Home | Nia (itsniabitch.com)

Referenced Links:
'I'm down and dirty in it': Jada Pinkett Smith dishes on her sex life with Will Smith - CNN Video

Yaya Mayweather Facing 20 Years For Allegedly Stabbing Rapper NBA Youngboy’s 6th Baby Mother | SmartNews

PETA wants the MLB to rename 'bullpen' to 'arm barn' : NPR

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Transcript
Jeff:

Thank you for tuning in to another episode of the coach, Episode 67. I'm Jeff Hill, my man and continuing women's appreciation month on the culture going on some.

Anthony:

Just another day, we got a special guest today, and I just ran out this way outside of that

Jeff:

we could work we got a very special guest today. But before that very quickly, I want to say what's up to our patrons? Shout out to y'all. And we're gonna do a little different what I want to do before we get to our guest, because I don't want to take up you know, I mean too much time. I want to respect our guest this time. So what I'm gonna do is run down some trending topics real quick. And then I want to get your opinion on them. You feel me before we go on the break and then bring our guest on. And first of all, I'm happy for you to get Saturday I just want to express my happiness because the Knicks are cruising right now. So shout out to my New York Knicks go new you go new you go. Yeah. Anyway,

Anthony:

ooh, they made make perfect sense. They need to score in the guys corner. Good to go now.

Jeff:

Yo, okay, so first topic is real quick is gonna be like the fast round. First topic. Jada Pinkett Smith. She got Luke Smith looking crazy out here about how he shouldn't bet not really and not really and talking about how you know I mean, basically saying he whack in bed and that's what she's had to go out and fuck all these other cats. Like, everyday she wakes up you know, like, how am I embarrass this man today? What am I going to do is say to embarrass my man today. Like he got whoa looking crazy, bro. You take and she does she? I mean do you want your personal life all out there on the media like yeah, this is what our sex life is. Yeah, we got open man. I'm fucking all these other dudes come on man and shit in bed. Like yeah, I'm a freaking Wow. Like she's saying all types of shit. Like go leave that shit behind closed doors.

Anthony:

None of that really matters. The moment that they both set up did a talk about her indiscretions. They're pretty much at that point. Everything was on the board. So I mean, just for people to get mad at her for her to be talking about what she wants to requires in bed and everyone thinking that she taught him crazy. I mean, I get it, you've probably had these conversations behind closed doors. But she had a follow up by saying like, know, me and him have never had a problem in the bedroom. She's trying to see like, you know, it's hard to maintain her mouth shut

Jeff:

sexy house. Like I understand. She did the red table talk because she had to address the room as it was my rumors. August I've seen it was out here saying all types of wild shit. So they had to address it. So they made the episode on her show her and we'll set down the address that yeah, I have something with this dude. We're all good now. And I said move on. But now it's like every week she got something to say. Like, fuck,

Anthony:

I'm, I mean, could direct Table Talk itself was about you know, the show, I think six live in goop that's on Netflix really talks about like, you know, openness and accountability, accountability, like regarding communication, going sex. So she talked about it. And everyone kind of took that out of context. And like she's talking about about relationship like, no, just to kind of the format of what your show was about and talking about. Not so the problems with intimacy, but the things that you know, properly communicate the things that you want the desire to make it clear, that kind of go forward from there to not everyone banging on jatim Like, I don't think she tried to embarrass me like she just I mean, she's telling the truth. The whole thing that usually comes up later. I

Jeff:

have to say some that every week. We have an open marriage we have an open relationship it works for us will say that, you know, I don't advise this for anybody. This is not for everybody, but it's working for us. That's it leave it at that. We've been known they had open relationship. There was rumors about it, they addressed it was now been confirmed. Cool. But every week, she doesn't have to have an interview saying some new shit.

Anthony:

Okay, so Okay, so say this week, would you say the week before? Oh, the last time she spoke on it?

Jeff:

Oh, no, ma'am. But it seems like every week is something different. Right?

Anthony:

Right. And then No, fuck that everyone else so much. It seems it seems she said this one time makes a big thing. The thing is,

Jeff:

there's no more time. Like I said, we addressed it.

Anthony:

Because the conversation that we're talking about was really about openness and having discussions about intimacy during your relationship. She talked about that people assume that's who she's having a relationship with. She talked openly about it. It's on the show. I mean, they that's kind of the point of the red table talk right now the whole shit Baptists speak your mind, right? That's what she was doing.

Jeff:

I'm gonna that's not what I would want my wife to be out there. Every interviewer saying some new shit about a

Anthony:

shoe it ain't shoe and that's different. That's not you, that's what she's doing. And that's what

Jeff:

the interviewer will know the what he feels about his wife constantly putting out the sex life out there, and the personal business out there and we'll

Anthony:

and we'll talk about shit that goes into relationship in a book he's writing about now. He's done the same thing but we should have data but not a will. Because he's not doing it on a tight but it's really not doing it on a show. But it's still in written form is still something that's out there that's going to be said, even if he's not saying it's already been written so therefore when you read it, it might have to have a chain reaction because half the motherfuckers can't read his wife

Jeff:

his business so he figured out well let me just monetize it to I mean, it's already out there I might as well just start speaking my truth now to shit. She's already speaking for me. You know me he wasn't saying that in about to shut up to the whole scene. She came out and she you know She put it out there. So now he has to feel obligated probably to talk about it. But it hasn't said one word. I don't expect them to either. Alright, let's move on. For what?

Anthony:

You guys say none what we've got to say about it. Like, what, what's, what's the point of being in relationship with somebody we can't be transparent with. And I'm pretty sure this is shit they probably aren't talked about now on sound space than anything else. It just happened to come out here. Like, the things that they discussed even thing when he was talking about their marriage before. They didn't have that discussion face to face. They talked about the shit they talked about in private, like, you know, we already had a discussion, we just kind of let everybody know what it is. But we've already talked about this, we are noted is everyone is putting on a performance but you feel bad about it. Because you're seeing people being like revealing and vulnerable to each other. That'd be honest with people about what you feel. But what you think and that's what she's going through. And that's what he said, but it's not the thing what it is now cuz you said, I've never had a problem in the bedroom. She just made that point that one thing that people made it something else. So all it really is there'll be fine and they'll move on to something else. And we'll just blow up in a week like it always does. Alright,

Jeff:

Floyd Mayweather, his daughter Yaya is possibly facing 20 years for stabbing up one of NBA young boys baby mamas. Apparently he has like six of them. And I didn't even know he was dating. Yeah, yeah, whatever. Yeah, you want to try to hit before the end. All right, Jordan, went out and stabbed when his baby mamas. Right? Okay. Well see, here's the problem with these entitled kids. I mean, you talked about this like he's obviously a rich as dude, Mayweather is, but he's also very uneducated. You know, I'm saying like, he's a literary we know that cool. It doesn't matter because he's rich. But now what happens with his kids, you know, I'm saying who's grown up with a silver spoon?

Anthony:

Nothing. You know, I

Jeff:

mean, they're feel entitled or spoiled to shit. And what what, you know, what's their education? Like? Are they illiterate too? Can they not read? She got her stabbing people go to jail for 20 years. And she may or may not do Tom because the father is who he is. And he could pay for the riches lawyers, you know, God, you know, man could could pay people off and whatever.

Anthony:

You know, go to jail. And I know, that's the whole thing. Like, I guess people look at it from a different perspective, because you're a person of color. But like, this is what rich white people do all the fucking time their kids fuck up and their kids get bailed out. Like for example, I was just kidding. isn't rich Carver it now, the kid who shot all those who shot somebody during the protest and everything else like that. Right. But this is the point we're talking about, you know, influencing how things go. In his trial, they can they can refer to the people as looters and writers they cannot refer to them as victims. judge ruled that even though he went out there ominous rifle, you know, trying to be a little fucking GI Joe man. In the trial, they can refer to those people as looters and writers but they cannot be referred to as Victor. This is what power does is how privilege works is how influence works. But Floyd Mayweather, he's a very wealthy man and a very popular figure. But adult who got into a little bit of trouble a little bit of a kerfuffle. As a matter of fact, it might even go to trial. The whole thing is that all he needs is kind of fucked up. And Julie has these problems gets off, go to a woman to get stabbed. Like here's a check for X amount of dollars, just go ahead and drop the charge and gently that's how the chick itself. That's how this might get solved. If it magically disappears. You know exactly what happened. But it's just like systemic. No, I think it just things that rich people do. They don't see rich black people doing it, but it's how it goes. It's part of the game and this is what they do. They can't help themselves. They don't ever solve the problem because they have enough problems like money actually to buy the problem away. I don't got to deal with shit every other person does. If I stab somebody, I'm going to jail immediately. But I'm really wealthy. I can just buy the problem away exactly what you're gonna do now, the same thing with Floyd when he had his domestic violence thing, but the problem where they'll disappear when you got enough money? Is it teaching your moral lesson? No, but it is teaching how society actually works. That forgot enough money to kind of get out of anything. You can pretty much do anything you want to.

Jeff:

Okay, next story. peyto, the animal organization, PETA they want they want Major League Baseball to rename the bullpen to the arm a barn and this was their official statement. bullpen refers to the area of a bowls pen where bowls are held before they are slaughtered. It's a word with speciesist roots. And we can do better than that. Really, this is where we're coming down to. So we got to change the word man which is where reliever pitchers warm up because it's insensitive to animals but what about arm barn nothing good happens in a barn either no animals

Anthony:

we got to shit you can make a suggestion we got damn thing to stop don't don't don't think they do need to change especially since in a World Series again like change the Atlanta Braves name and get rid of the tomahawk

Jeff:

racist shit like that. Like the Indians changed their name to the guardians and now they're getting sued because there's a hockey What is it a hockey team or soccer team I find it even though it's like a team. Like Like someone owns the name but there's another team with the name guardians. I don't even remember what sport is if it's hockey or football or soccer, whatever. So now they're getting sued. Like yeah, this this homelessness all over the country at alarming rates. There's all type of police brutality happening. There's all type of racism. There's all kinds of shit happening in the world that has to do with humanity. And we worried about Animals right now not I'm not trying to be insensitive to animals but this is what we're wearing about a bullpen

Anthony:

Bennett's in Savannah Be a man I've seen people treat animals better than humans so it's not really outside of the realm of possibilities how they really feel

Jeff:

what the it makes you say it all the time. Like dogs more than he respects humans. He treated Him and trust them more and they're more loyal to you than humans and that's a fact

Anthony:

cuz they're basic there's no emotion you feed them they're loyal to you don't they run away they bite it's not hard to guess. What my fuck Peter man he always said like like throwing paint on people's coats and chillin I condone Anthony's language vegan fader or Peters a Peter Pan condone shit, man, like, like we don't have this conversation going, Hey, you want to talk about you know the Ethical Treatment of Animals and not worry about the Ethical Treatment of humans like y'all got the game all fucked up. But like we're like worried about you know, no, these cats and dogs and all like, like major things and like you're focusing on something so minuscule that doesn't really bother anyone. I've never thought about baseball thing and thought about like actual bowls in the pan. No, think about the bullpen or

Jeff:

even think about as a matter of fact, when they say the guy is warming up in the bullpen. I don't even think about Yeah, at all.

Anthony:

It's a glimpse is like it's really a glimpse if they really say the word they be like, you know, like you're coming closer or gently like you said, is a statement of the guys woman up in the bullpen and that's the only time you mentioned it's not a bullpen boom and moving on to all damn game that's it man that's that's really it like I got to find a better fight man and it's a bunch of that going on the world like no

Jeff:

matter we'd let's talk about these cows though.

Anthony:

This actual cows like if you're worried about the cows do go fight supermarkets. Then go fight didn't didn't fight a bigger fight to try to you know, make people more vegan or something or some other shit like that. But the thing you're going to try like this changes one word is going to make like this massive effect on how people feel about you. Danna kind of asked us it isn't a baseball Lily may not have Rawhide they didn't say change the baseball it's something more no animal friendly and I did it for

Jeff:

ball users

Anthony:

it was was the skin that they use for the ball pigskin I don't get honestly it's probably like some kind of dedic shit synthetic robbing now it's up to Peter got ahold of them but it's but it's still called that right just call it what it is like, Yo Yo Shut up man find his other shit to do is bigger battles and sub sub trying to win these little ones where it's pointless.

Jeff:

But let me get into the ghetto word of word of the week and it's golly gee, you ll y. According to Urban Dictionary, something from the streets from the gutter or something that's gangster. Same as same as saying hood. Or this is something a street something is hood. Alternative alternate definitions. It means golly, could be something described as rough or rugged, unpolished or hardcore. That hotel we laid up in was so girly. Had no TV, no towels, just a bed and a light bulb. I use that word sometimes like Yoda says golly,

Anthony:

you doing like some raggedy ass like two star hotel lane and left and Todd.

Jeff:

Gurley is taken from the Indian definition of street the literal translation is alley golly and Indian languages means dirty street dangerous. The origins of these words is Sanskrit.

Anthony:

Okay, no, I didn't know the origin. Something new.

Jeff:

But let's take a quick break and then we're going to bring our guest on yo, that shit is golly Paulo.

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Jeff:

Yeah. They represent a culture to represent like this Culture podcast. Women Appreciation Month continues here on the culture with our next guest. She is an afro Latina songstress, she is an r&b pop artist and songwriter she is a Queens native from Brooklyn New York her new single bother you is out does it bother you cuz it bother you That's my shit. I've been listening to that shit on Title. Title yo got another single core diamonds that's out and her new album angels comes out December third. She goes by the name of Nia Nia Marie Vargas, thank you for joining us.

NIA:

Thank you for having me. And I'm sorry that it took us a little talent air last time but I'm here to

Jeff:

roast you if you want to come on. I was gonna roast you on the next episode.

NIA:

Yeah, I'm sorry, I had a Mac and I was trying and trying and trying and I'm like this is

Jeff:

that was my fault because I didn't tell you that our program is not compatible with Mac so like

NIA:

Anthony's looking at me like girl Stop

Jeff:

the way you if you don't mind me using a government right, NIA Marie.

NIA:

You can you can use my government name. That's fine.

Jeff:

I was gonna say Nyah. But then when I when I was reading your I don't know if I saw you on Wikipedia or something. And it showed me the pronunciation of your name. And it was like knee. Yeah, I was like, Okay, I can't fuck that up. Yeah.

NIA:

No. No worries. No worries. I'm like, very. I'm a free spirited girl. So I'm not like super annoying about that

Jeff:

type of stuff. very bubbly. Very happy and cheerful. Tell us about yourself, though.

NIA:

Oh, my gosh. Well, what do you want to know?

Jeff:

Well, we know you're, there's so much well, I like the fact that you call yourself Afro Latina? Because I use that term a lot. What are you? Well, part of the RS, your family from

NIA:

Santiago. If I had a flag right now like, Yeah, I'm

Jeff:

the Dominican of the of the show and my family from San Pedro. Okay. Okay, and I use the term Afro Latino a lot. And I don't see enough of using that term. And you will probably attest to this, that there's a lot of racism, even in Dr. Even though most of the people in the ER are brown and dark skinned. You know, I'm saying there's a lot of racism going on. They're like, No, we're not black. Like, yeah, you are black. And we're 50% Africans, you know, I'm saying so I, you know, been aware of, and I use that term a lot afro,

NIA:

y'all. Exactly. I think it's hard. It's, it's hard. Because this, like, the stereotype of a Latina is like someone that looks like Dayla I don't look like JLo. So you know what I'm saying? And I just feel like there's never really been a space for someone that isn't that like stereotype, like Latin X person, if that makes sense, you know, and I feel like the industry loves to get keep that image. And they'll do anything that they can to make that like the norm. You know, what the protocol? Exactly. And I'm kind of just like, you know, fuck that. I don't I don't want to do you know, I don't want to deal with that. I want to be me. And I really don't care. You know,

Jeff:

tell us how you got in the game, though. Because from what I understand, you're young 23

NIA:

I'm 23 Yeah, I still have a long way to go. And I have so much things to do. So, how honest I mean, it's a podcast that could be very honest. So I have like, a lot hard time emotionally. So I don't know if it's just me being an artist. I don't know if that's just what happens to me, happens to a lot of artists where you the things that happen to in your life, just feel there's it's always extreme. It's either very happy, or very down. So whenever I go through any type of obstacles, it's never like, okay, it's always just like, Oh my fucking God as my life ending and like, you know, like, it's always an extreme. So I went to college, I went to Parsons, and I graduated. But I was in the process of transferring from Arizona State. Don't ask me what I was doing it because well, you know, I was I was a film major. I was a film major. I had no idea entertainment. Yeah, cuz I always had like, a like, as a kid, I had a love for music and anything arts related. My mom is an artist, but just in a different form. So I was just like, okay, you know, I'm gonna go to Arizona, because I can I don't know if I was running away from something or I just wanted to change.

Jeff:

He was running away from the prices in New York because Arizona is way cheaper.

NIA:

He Yeah, so I'm like, okay, like, let me just, I had this idea that I was going to go to NYU and I didn't get in because like, whatever let me just go to Arizona. Let me focus on film like it's next to La like all work out. So I got there in LA, like, you know, I was lost. I was like, Well, what am I chasing? Like, am I chasing the college experience? You know, I did the whole sorority thing. Do not ask me any questions. about that. I had to experience I had to experience life. And I had to fall flat on my face to be like, What the fuck am I doing? I need to get out of here. And when I was coming back, and I was in a transitional period, and I was like, What am I doing? Like what's happening? I had already like, when I was younger, I was into music. And I've, you know, I didn't I've been dancing since I was two, like I've been performing forever. But I was just in an all time low. So I'm like, oh, like, and I was talking to this guy. And it just was a mess. It was a mess. So I'm like, What am I? I'm like, What am I doing? And then it all just clicked. And then I just started making music. And then going to Parsons, it was a school where everyone was like, super super into their craft, and I got to walk in knowing this is what I want to do. I want to focus on my music. And from there, everything just kind of fuckin did its own thing. And I was like, This is what I'm sent here to do. I get it. Like, I get why I had to go through all those trials and tribulations. And I'm ready to like, at one point, I wanted to drop out of school, but then I was just like, you know, I'm here. And I'm learning so much about the actual craft that I feel like what helped me in the long run. So I was like, you know, I'm going to stick it out. Like, I mean, I went to school for 90 I didn't go to school for music, I went to school for fashion and film. So it's really interesting to see how I use the things that I learned in school and apply it to what I'm doing now. There's

Jeff:

like, it's like the alchemist. If you ever read that book, like everything that happens for a reason, you know, I mean, puts you where you're supposed Yeah, like,

NIA:

even now, like, I'm not gonna come on here and be like, my life is amazing. Because it's not, you know, it's just, it's not amazing. I'm 23. And I'm just figuring out who the fuck I am, you know? Yeah, like, I'm still learning, and there's still so much that I want to do. And I feel like I'm not where I want to be, and not where I imagined myself, you know. So I feel like I'm in another transitional period. And I know that something good is gonna come out of it. But right now I'm in like,

Jeff:

Are you like, are you independent? Are you like, signed to a label or work? Yeah,

NIA:

so I'm independent right now. So being independent is interesting. It's hard at times, because it's just like, it's really your vision, and you have to find ways to make it work. Yeah, exactly. And I and sometimes it causes a lot of frustration, because it's like, I'm sure you guys see it all the time, where it's like, you see people that are sign and it's like, Why the hell are they signing? And there's just all these things and all these like industry politics, you know, someone's parent knows someone, and it's like, they get a check. And it's extremely frustrating. But I found, I talked to my mom all the time. Yes, I'm one of those where it's like, I resort to the people that I love,

Jeff:

probably making some fortune while you're talking to her.

NIA:

You know, I need advice, like, what am I doing? You know, and if you if you really look back, a lot of people that were, you know, extremely like they've made such a big impact in this industry they're come up was never easy. It was it was never something that was handed to them. It was always like their respect had to be earned. And it took many years for that to be earned. So I you know, I have to like, I mean, get myself in the right era.

Jeff:

Nobody know who Jayla was, you know, I'm saying like, she was a black girl, like 30 years old type of shit. You know, I mean, 30 years ago, or 2025 years ago. So you just got to keep doing what you're doing. And this type of platform will help you get to the next level.

NIA:

Say yes, and I appreciate you guys for even inviting me on and I was super excited last week, but you know, it's okay. I'm here this week.

Jeff:

Yeah, we talked about it on last week's episode. I was like, Yo, if you don't come on next week, we go roaster I

Anthony:

use it

Jeff:

you try to stop me was I Oh, because we're doing women's appreciate your love this month. And he was like, well, I'll talk to you to make it seem like women can operate the computers.

NIA:

Yeah, no. I appreciate you guys as as males in the industry, allowing me to speak about my story because a lot of times people want like a filtered version and like some, you know, glamorized version like yeah, I just woke up one day and I became lit. And that's not how there's this not how it works. And I, I just, I can't come on here and not be honest and truthful because literally my music is very authentic. And it's personal experiences. And I know that sounds crazy and wild because I mean, if you guys heard the album, it's insane. But it's a lot about my life. So I can't come on here and just I mean, you see me I'm casual today no makeup on for natural route. Cool. Yeah, I

Jeff:

was gonna ask you like, how is it being a female cuz I'd be having this conversation with my wife all the time. Like, I'd be telling her and show biz in any industry. It's easier I would for like, we were talking about Iggy Azalea. And I was like, Yo, her bars are trash, but she's sexy. I was telling my wife, I was like, you know, she can't rap for shit. He's

Anthony:

real sexy.

Jeff:

So that gets you in the door right away. You know what I'm saying? Of course, yeah. And we'll argue sometimes, you know, you need talent. I'm like, Yeah, you might need some talent. But if you're sexy, that's gonna open up doors. You know, I'm saying if you're not sexy, then you're gonna need to rely on your talents solely.

NIA:

Yeah, I think there's a lot of things. There.

Jeff:

That's why I'm not saying you're not sexy. You are attractive. I'm gonna say that No.

Anthony:

Women in the industry like it's easier for them. No, no,

NIA:

it's not even that. I think. I don't want to bash anyone but it's extremely popular. You'll see it in the industry a lot where a lot of people who aren't black use black culture and use

Jeff:

say it gives Elliot

NIA:

Yeah, like, so use black culture to excel her career. And a lot of times even that open sore because a lot of times, the industry doesn't want black people to be like, listen, we're not all super sexualized, like, I went to art school and there's a hell a lot of black people in art school and a hell artsy girls. I'm artsy Whoa, myself. I'm super just like, free spirited love to do what I want to do. You know, I'm not going to get a BBL, you know, that's just not they're, they're, they're portraying black culture in the wrong light. And they're using puppets outside of the culture.

Jeff:

But when you do like, for instance, like when you do your music videos, do anybody ever approached like, Yo, we gotta show more skin? Let's be more sexy to do this show more cleavage. You

NIA:

know, you know what? I've been really lucky. No, no, because I think that everyone that I work with, from choreographers and all that stuff, they understand my vision, because I'm very, like, I'm a Capricorn. So I do not play when I have a vision. It's just like, This is it. And that's it. Like, you know, I feel like, I don't want to cheat it like I can easily show like, titties and ass but I just getting there wouldn't be as fulfilling you know,

Jeff:

I won't when they when they start making you. So you're so I hope you'll be singing that same tune. I'll be like, Oh, she's gonna shit on our show. When the Illuminati call, make

NIA:

a promise. Now, I promise you. I just did.

Jeff:

I got your email, email. Remember that? You said?

NIA:

Well, I'm coming back. I'm coming back.

Jeff:

When you when you get the next feature, like feature and Jay Z or somebody we got to talk about. So speaking like, yeah, who are the artists that influenced you? Like I've read your newsletter, and you you meant you had mentioned like, Lauryn Hill, and you had mentioned a few other pop. You mentioned some pop. And then you mentioned like, people like Lauryn Hill. And I was like, damn, but she's only 23 Like, I feel like you're an old soul. You know, man, but you're like a Gen Z. Like the people that he was naming. People I grew up with, I grew up with Lauryn Hill, and I'm gonna be 38 next week, you know?

NIA:

Happy birthday. No joking. All my best friends. Scorpios I'm kidding with you. Yeah, I think that growing up, I just really didn't fuck with whatever my generation was doing. I my mom's a single mom. So I was always with her period. And some of her favorites are like Alia, Lauryn Hill, Gwen grunts Tiffani. I would listen to outcasts Missy like timberland like just just this whole insane roster. And it just, it really opened my look at you smiling period. Oh, not even smiling at me. And it just opened my

Jeff:

line. He's happy that you mentioned Missy because what was it two weeks ago, we did our list of top female rappers. And I'm gonna ask you that later, but, but she was number one on Anthony's list. Yeah, she's not number one on my list. And we had this whole argument.

Anthony:

Well, I think she's on his list. She's an honor. He was yeah, she's

NIA:

an honorable

Jeff:

mention, but he was number one on his list. My number one was Lauryn Hill.

NIA:

Well, okay, Lauryn Hill. Okay, well, let's talk about it. But I just think like in terms of, I'm a visual learner, I went to film school. So I am very, very annoying when it comes to delivering a message in an interesting way. That's just for me. Anyone could shake us anyone could dance, but delivering it in a way that is is is like moving on camera. That's a skill that's like you were sent here and you had a vision that's why I love Tyler the Creator so much. I know he's crazy. But he's so amazing when it comes

Jeff:

to visual over the art of it, like the music videos and all I'm

NIA:

I mean, I used to like stay in my room while everyone was playing lacrosse or whatever. I, I was sitting down like studying MTV, and I didn't understand why I loved it so much. But I just love the idea of taking a song and building a character or, or building a story to it because it feels like you're creating a moment, you know?

Jeff:

Yeah, but again, if I'm making a list of top MCs, I'm not taking into consideration how dope the music videos are, or the beats are. She has timberland producing all her shit. Like, you know, I don't Anthony takes all those things into account. I don't. I'm listening just for the list. So

NIA:

you're okay, so you're more of a local? Didn't really it's all on? Yes. Like, I mean, there's so many people that feel like Kendrick is the best rapper and there's people that feel like Drake is the best rapper. I mean, I don't really know what

Jeff:

that's gonna be my final question. I'm not gonna get into that yet. Okay. You can pop or r&b singer.

NIA:

Oh, please don't ask me this. Well, I Okay. Because I don't really know. I can tell you this. I don't know if this helps. But I like as a kid. I loved artists that would always reinvent themselves in every album. I don't want to hear the same album five times. I just don't. I like to hear an album that is that you know has a certain type of influence. And I like the next album to have a different type of influence. I could tell you r&b artists but tomorrow I might be singing I don't I have no idea you know, I don't really know you're you I am I mentioned it because I already know I am. second album guys second album. You'll see

Jeff:

like Alia or Shakira, whoever they make everything they do bachata, reggaeton they do in a man.

NIA:

But I just feel like you like as an artist, you cannot maybe correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like you guys have been in this game for a while. But I just feel like you cannot stick to one thing. And I don't think your like your spirit or your soul would want you to stick to one thing. I think sometimes you gravitate and that's how you're able to be creative. For example, Rihanna. Everyone loves Rihanna. Right. I don't feel like Rihanna has created the same album. She's so many different times. Right? It's It's so different. And it's it's, I mean, you know, she still considers herself an r&b artist, but I've heard you know, a pop Rihanna record. I've heard a, like a dance Rihanna record. I've heard a reggae you know what I'm saying? Like I've heard, I've heard so

Jeff:

her accent, even her accent, she'll play with the accent and, you know,

NIA:

set play with it. And I think that that is the best thing any artist can do is is never like, define yourself as one thing. And just, I mean, if you want to say, I'm an r&b pop artist, that's fine. I love it. I'll take it. But I don't, I don't want to put out an energy. And then people think that that's what I'm going to be throughout the whole journey.

Jeff:

They'll place you in a box. In other words, so you want to keep reinventing. I mean, because everything is cyclical. Like I said, I'm a lyricist, nerd. And that's why I like the NAS is and you know, those type of rappers. And obviously, that's not what this era this generation is listening to. They're listening to the mumble shit that has no substance. But that's what's poppin right now, as long as it has a catchy hook or a nice beat whatever they rockin with it. Yeah, and I'm calling the old man, the old man.

NIA:

How do you how do you guys how do you guys feel about that? I hate it.

Jeff:

And I have a son and He's four years old. And you know, obviously he listened to everything I listened to, but he let he be putting me on to some shit sometimes, like we'd be in bed. He be like, Poppy. I don't know what that is that. Yeah. And I'd be like, Oh, whatever. So he puts me on to shit and I'm stuck like in the 90s. To me the 90s was like the best era for everything. And I get shippers sometimes because I you know, but you have to evolve, you know, and the guys I like are still making songs like NAS drops an album every year and I can listen to that even though it's not gonna be on the radio. They're not in I mean, but that's the shit I'm gonna listen to because it's gonna have lyrics and it's gonna have substance. And I saw Do you like Jay Cole by Jay Cole? He's caught from the same cloth like he's co signed by Jay Z. Yeah, I mean, he's, he's, he got he got the cloth, that nice cloth and that Jay Z cloth. Kendrick. Court day, we was talking about core data and he's in his 20s. He's like, Yeah, age. So he's one of them all souls. You know, we did a list a few episodes ago about top five under 40. And core day was my number one and I got shit for that.

NIA:

Well, Anthony, who's your number one? Let me hear. Oh, cool. Kendrick was number one on your list. Hmm, that's a good one. I mean, I mean, just his presence the way his lawyers I don't have any words for Kendrick because it's just his execution. Just every visuals. Every time Kendrick does something it just like sets the bar higher and higher for everyone else.

Anthony:

Because we were talking about it under for him like you got to kind of realize that Wayne's only 39 It's hard to fathom that but a little Wayne still. He's not. So that's why I think I think I think Wayne would be the number two number three on my list and like, yeah, he's still there like he never had to have had been at Benny five. Running at 25

Jeff:

and a half court day I had Jay Cole Kendrick, I had Lupe Fiasco.

NIA:

Wow wow

Anthony:

man likes lyric like lyrical

Jeff:

miracle dudes you don't mean But yo who this might be the same question or two part question Who are your favorite singers and or who would you like to work with like who are some people you might want to like to work with?

NIA:

Ah, if I could get out of Kenny's are so many people every call it into existence how many? Okay First things first. Nicki Minaj. Cardi B. Really? Okay. I'm Dominican. Yes. I get it. I understand how you know, it's Dominicans when it when we link up, we link up, right. But I think that for me, I'm a very visual person. And I'm like, I'm I'm into creating worlds, right. So when you look at Nikki's, like early days, like she created worlds, and she created many worlds, you know, and she created many personalities and many, I don't I don't know how to explain it. I won't explain it. I

Jeff:

do like the costumes. We like the different personality the Barbie doll and this and that if she got you know, I

NIA:

mean? Yeah, I like the idea of having fun with this shit like this shit. It's that's what it's all about. You know what I'm saying? I feel like you can still be like swaggy as fuck, and kind of mock people. I mean, I do that a lot. I do that a lot. I feel like within my art, I am very I don't know if it's like a New York thing. I'm fucking cocky as fuck but like it's in a it's in a playful way.

Jeff:

You know, Brooklyn Zoo.

NIA:

It's in a it's in a playful in a playful, playful way. Who else? Who else? Oh my gosh, there's so many people in the Spanish world. I feel like I'm obsessed with them. Have you heard of her name is like Nancy Pelosi or something like that. She's so good. I think it's na t h y by leucism. She like that. I don't even know how to say her last name. I'm sorry. She's a girl from Argentina to the hackathon. And she does everything she does like mit ngare. Salsa bachata. Like I say, she just does whatever like she feels in her heart. But like my wife would know that she's also yes. And she's also a Capricorn and I I would love to do a record where her just because I feel like once again, she's also very, I'm into animated people. People that create you know, create things within the sun

Jeff:

like the missus, you like the Busta Rhymes? You like the animated style?

NIA:

That animated stuff? Yeah, I mean, even even doji cat, like she'll have her animated moments, and then she'll have hot moments. You know,

Jeff:

I'm mad at that. Alright, so where do you see yourself in five years? I mean, obviously, we said we just you just started this is the beginning of your journey.

NIA:

Yes, it's the beginning but sometimes know I have a long way to go. Five years. I think my I think every musicians dream is to sell out Madison Square Garden.

Jeff:

Talk about dreaming big. Okay. She learned. But I

NIA:

just I I know. I'm gonna get there. How

Jeff:

many tickets today? How many tickets today? Of course. Yeah, I have my sister lit watching your video. I had like my whole family watching the the Bobby. Bobby video My sister was like, Yo, she's dope. I'm like, yo, we had a dude. We have rapper by the name of super lyrical a couple of weeks ago he was on he was saying like, there's no money really in the streaming like the streaming services don't really pay artists that much. He was talking about sign about cents per stream or whatever.

NIA:

Yeah, I I really wish I can come on here and be like, I have it figured out and everything's amazing. No, no, no, I don't know how streaming works. And you would think because I'm Gen Z, I would have it, you know, all together. But I thought the algorithms yeah, there's a lot of algorithms. There's a you know, I'm gonna keep it positive. I'm not even gonna go there. We will have a conversation one day once I feel like I can talk my talk once I'm successful. And once I'm where I want to be. Will she'll be you know, playing headlining Coachella Madison Square Madison Square Garden. In five years. I would like to be five albums in just because I am a fucking beast and I always work. Well, your

Jeff:

second album coming out this year. So you have five years to drop three more. That's doable.

NIA:

I just I don't know what it is. I don't know if you know, I'm just dramatic as fuck, but I feel like there's just so much within my life to talk about that I haven't even touched upon yet. You know? It's like I can talk about my love life. But I mean it's once you're done with one person and you're dealing with someone else that's a whole other story. Any famous rap and then I am not I am not dating any famous rappers Anthony looked really nervous when I was

Anthony:

like, you know, I'll leave the other one. Sam, we want the next one, you know, not shaking like alright, cool man.

NIA:

Go ahead. No, it's not even like that. It's just saying, like, when you experience one thing, that's one story, you experience something else. That's a whole other story. You're not gonna go through this. I mean, at least for me, I don't go through the same things twice.

Anthony:

Just give it time. Yeah, okay.

NIA:

Okay, Anthony.

Jeff:

You got your own publicist. So you're already ahead of the game. Yo, this whole time I've been communicating I would do, but with somebody by the name of Naica cadet, I'm like, damn, she got home publicist.

NIA:

Yeah. But you know, sometimes I like communicating with people. Like, I felt so bad. I felt so bad when you were like, can I message you? I'm like, please don't do this to me. Of course, you can message me like, we can communicate. I'm not like one of those super, you know, annoying.

Jeff:

Like, I need all my m&ms to be the yellow ones.

NIA:

Yeah, like, I think for me,

Jeff:

but yet you live?

NIA:

No, no, no. So I was told by a manager that came into my class one time, and he was explaining how Lauryn Hill, I don't even want to talk about it. I was so devastated

Jeff:

that Laurel Hill shows up at one in the morning to hook up because I know

NIA:

that was, yeah, he was her tour manager. So he does like listen, when artists do writers, which is where they do a contract of like, you know, all the things that they want at the venue, when they get there, blah, blah, blah. Some people will purposely put things like I only want red m&ms, because whatever reason, and a lot of people do that, just to see if you're actually reading the writer.

Jeff:

Wow. Okay. What was that? What was Lauren's request?

NIA:

You know, I don't remember I do. That's a test. Yeah, and like, they'll just put like some random things. And when they get there, they won't even touch.

Jeff:

Oh, okay. First time I've heard that. That's some interesting shit. That's a good strategy. I'm sure like that.

NIA:

influenced you in the wrong way? I'm sorry.

Anthony:

Yeah, don't do that, man. Don't do that. But I would go get a T stick from Philly. No, Nick. would travel traveling out of Philly bring you a cheesy game gonna eat? No, no, no, no, no, that's that. Puff Daddy shit. Yeah. Like a

Jeff:

walk off with some Cambodian breast milk. What? You were too young for that show. You

Anthony:

don't remember that show? That was what what show was that? That was uh, making the band making the band cuz Chappelle Show parodied? It was the thing he said by the Cambodian smoke was a parody because he took him to Brooklyn for the cheesecake Yeah,

Jeff:

it was making the band and shit whatever is a reality show that dude had a long time ago.

NIA:

I remember when he made them sing for a bag you remember

Jeff:

you will make them sing Biggie lyrics juicy like if you only know juicy he was on your ass. He will make them walk on New York trying to get up the cheesecake just testing them to see how loyal they were Oh hard working they were they may want album and nobody's ever heard from them since DAMN YOU Diddy

Anthony:

as well the slave fam I know my talent.

Jeff:

Slavery. You know they say that black people did own slaves as well there was black slave masters back in the day. I'm not calling video slave

Anthony:

just because it's a couple here and there don't we try to just put all that shit on shore in and there were some white people that were freedom fighters. Alright, cool, but don't like hey, there was some black slave masters don't push that narrative that's just not sure it was a couple like five great but

Jeff:

okay, I'm gonna ask you. This can either be two questions, or it could be one question Okay. It's either the top five female rappers of all time or the top five MCs in general you could do a guy's list or if you feel like you know, man is discriminatory. You could put them all together.

NIA:

Oh my gosh, you're doing this to me. Women's MMA fun.

Anthony:

Oh, no, it's no it's women's month do women.

NIA:

Lord topless. Okay,

Jeff:

Lord Jesus. No, four years just pleases.

NIA:

Okay. I have to say Lauren's Aha. And so we go, why am I why am I gonna say she's number one? I'm saying she's number one. Because I think that for someone to have such a personal album, like Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is absolutely you know,

Jeff:

to this day, one of the greatest hip hop albums of all time, and I get shipped for that Anthony. She hasn't done anything in 20 years. So what

NIA:

but she actually doesn't need to because I think that actually, actually Oh, well, you know, I wasn't I wasn't I'm 98 I was not born yet. But I still know that album. I know every single song off that album. And on top of that, on top of that, Anthony since you you not agree with me. She also has another like, another moment musically where she did the MTV live watching

Jeff:

I keep telling people what to do we go live here we go. Alright, she was just saying that. She had beats but yo is all about the lyrics. You listen to what she's saying. And it's

NIA:

just like, why am I 15 years old? And I feel just fuckin I feel something people man you know? And I think like for someone to move someone spirit that much and be able to do that in 20 years and the album still hits the same because for me the biggest problem that I have is I can love record, but I can hate it the next month.

Anthony:

Are you saying that cuz you got a guitar behind you? How do you get a guitar to good eyes?

NIA:

Yeah, I did for a little bit. I don't I can't play now cuz I had but

Anthony:

that's gonna be Naya unplugged.

Jeff:

Alright, so you got Laura net one.

NIA:

Laura, not one.

Jeff:

I know you're gonna say Missy so go here.

NIA:

I honestly for me, it's hard because I feel like it's a tie for Missy. And Nikki. I cannot I don't know who who to

Jeff:

put for me. Nikki is a better lyricist. Missy is a better entertainer.

NIA:

Yeah, I agree. I agree. So those two for me are tied. So I don't really know. I think I love them for different reasons. And the reasons that you just said is valid. Who else? I got two more. I feel like I'm missing someone the only

Jeff:

other and you and if you don't know about your female, you're gonna have to look her up after this. Because this is the only other female rapper that has made me feel the way Lauren makes me feel. And that's Syrah go look up.

NIA:

Yeah, I gotta do my research. Got to do my research. I'm trying to think of any of the if I'm really vibing with any of the new girls,

Jeff:

like who the hell is a new girl? cardi? Megan the stallion? What about Remy Ma?

NIA:

I don't know. I mean, Remy Ma for looking

Jeff:

into Remy masters before he was born to Shiva in Spain. She was called Remy Martin.

NIA:

Oh, how did I forget a little shake?

Jeff:

Yes, Little Kim is definitely on both of our on all our

NIA:

hold on hold on. Because I remember as a kid listening to that track that she had. What he did in all of them was like, Benjamin, some something like that all about the Benjamins. And I just felt like her verse. outshine everyone else's works. I remember.

Jeff:

She goes want to Bumble with the bee ha. Throw a hex family. Really? Ah. So yeah, she's tough.

NIA:

Oh, so good. And it's just like, I mean, top tier bars. So that's cool. You got one more. One more. I'm Anthony. You want to help me out? Yeah, Megan.

Anthony:

You can do whatever you like this America,

Jeff:

cardi.

NIA:

That's

Anthony:

a hang out initiative right now.

NIA:

Oh, okay. I have one. I definitely have one. So I don't know if you guys know her. But, I mean, you should know her. But I just I remember when I was in college, her music just made me understand. Okay, I'm artsy bitch. And I'm, you know, I'm a little weird. And that's fine. And that's okay. And Anthony looks good at my response for from it. So do you guys know Princess Nokia?

Anthony:

No. I've heard of her yet. Not I have a

NIA:

look her up. Look her up. I think that project, I think it's called tomboy. I loved it. I was just like, this is this is what New York feels like. Okay. In the art scene, at least I you know, I grew up like growing up going to like fashion parties and doing that whole vibe. So that made sense for what I was doing and who I was becoming and that album really like fucking made it. Just my experience. Amazing.

Jeff:

When a side question, how do you feel about um, what's the name Lady Gaga, since you'd like that? All that visual shit.

NIA:

Oh my god, I fucking love because I always

Jeff:

thought she was weird until I saw that HBO special that she did years ago to monsters bowl. She did a she did a concert, a live concert on HBO for Monsters Ball. And I watched that shit and that she made me became a fan of fucking Lady Gaga, because she was dope. Yo, yo, she could play the fucking instruments. She could sing like a motherfucker. She could dance. And she was mad entertaining. Like, is she a little weird? But the she was mad fun.

NIA:

As a dancer. I've been dancing my whole life. So I love dance. And it's just, sometimes I debate with myself. I'm like, am I a better dancer? Am I a better art? Like, I don't really know. But she is fucking insane. Like she, I understand why she achieved so much success. And I there's so many things that I like look up to when it comes to her. Just like how she executes when she has a vision, how she doesn't care about whatever everyone else has to say. She's never really in a box because she creates whatever the fuck she wants to create. You know? And I think that I admire that and I strive to be that like, badass bitch that if I want to make a country album, I'll make it but I'm not. But I'm saying as an exam. No, I'm saying as an example, my only daughter I can't fuck with Madden. I'm not gonna do it. Yeah, but I'm saying even though there's some really good country shit, but that's

Jeff:

something you still don't

NIA:

know for me like if I ever had I mean, I grew up listening to some weird shit. Artsy kids I listened to Tame Impala 1975 Arctic Monkeys I had that like emo phase. I feel like any kid has an emo phase and maybe that contributes to the type of beats that I choose. If you haven't noticed I choose kind of dark ish beats, or just like not traditional beats that you would think us singer which is, but for me, country wise, I think Kacey Musgraves is like top tier in terms of songwriting. She's very good when it comes to telling a story,

Jeff:

but we don't need you to to apply for like America's Got Talent. All she's put yourself out there. So I could be like, Yo, yeah, that's her. Yeah. But you did your top five females. Now we're gonna end it off with your top five. Male rappers of all time.

NIA:

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, why are you doing this to me? Every guest? Is this so hard? Like, how do people would like I wish I would have known before I would have had my life ready. But I think for me, number one is always going to be

Jeff:

awesome. And now for some reason. I thought she was gonna say Eminem.

NIA:

So for me, it's Dre. Because I mean, it's just the level of like storytelling that I just fuckin. I don't understand. It just feels godly and out of this world. I'm trying to think of who else? For more. I understand Travis Scott. I do. I do. But he's not number two.

Jeff:

He's someone who wanted a Kardashian.

NIA:

Yeah, but I used to listen to Travis. Before that. Um, I like his approach. And I like that. He feels like he's a fucking rock star. Let me he is. I really I really, I really fuckin love it. I love the idea of someone being like, okay, black people can't be rock stars watch me and like create a whole fucking world and just so he's your number two. He's so good at it. I think so. What? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on because Kanye,

Jeff:

Kanye old Kanye new Kardashian Kanye which one is like different phases? Oh, no, no. Backpack. Kanye versus Kardashian. Kanye versus today. Just Jay Kanye are three different people.

NIA:

Okay, Jesus, Jesus walks that song. Kanye Kanye. Like, that's insane. But I will say Life of Pablo moved me. It did. Like I just felt like Life of Pablo for me was like, I don't know if it's because I struggle with anxiety and I struggle with all that type of stuff. Mental illnesses. Yeah. And I just felt like, this is my life. Like, I mean, I can't relate to like, you know, the Gadi Shahid says but it was just like the like, real friends. Like that is intense. And I didn't understand how someone so successful can can feel so alone at the same time, but he's number three. It really shows that he's just yeah, he's human. That's insane. Like, and then Andre, like

Jeff:

yes, yes. Have you heard that? Grew up on it.

NIA:

So So is so Anthony's, like upset?

Anthony:

No, no, because he he knows how would I feel about 3000 He's like, he never released an album. Because the

Jeff:

same argument he has about Lauryn Hill I have about 3000 3000 have an album, Lauryn Hill has a Now I understand that. Yes, he

Anthony:

Yes, he does is called out. But Lauryn Hill has

Jeff:

a single album and an unplugged album and you still say she doesn't put enough material yo,

Anthony:

yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, unplugged. Your remix. With a guitar. It's the same pitch. Don't do

NIA:

that. No, no, no. See? No, no, she actually went in like, she like, I don't know, she improvised. What she did, but that's okay.

Jeff:

She's album. She has The Miseducation, which is one of the best albums of all time.

Anthony:

That's fantastic. Did she do any new songs in the album? Or do you do the same shit when?

Jeff:

When was the last

Jeff and Ant:

song? How many liver?

NIA:

She did like 20 new songs like completely different. It was insane. It was

Anthony:

she went from being when was

Jeff:

the last time Andre 1000 put out some he's on us. He's on a song with Kanye and Kanye even released that song

Unknown:

and murder.

NIA:

But let's let's talk about that song because I really I'm a as a Kanye fan. You heard this or the Drake BS I did. And it should be

Jeff:

better than everything on the album on the Donda. It's, it's

NIA:

it's the strongest song and it should have been on the album. But my issue with the song is that I feel like Andre was telling a story and kind of as a storyteller, but he didn't execute but that's

Jeff:

fine, but it's Donda. It's about his mother and that's that's the story. He's

Anthony:

talking to her Monday.

Jeff:

Andre is talking to Doctor on the song

Anthony:

to talk to his. Yeah, I heard the first time I heard it should I cry? Like that's how

NIA:

not only? Yeah, like, I don't I don't know how

Jeff:

that's not what sells. This is storytelling to lyrical. These kids don't want to listen to this shit. Let me go put that moment. Yeah, yeah. Let me put that out. That's what they wanted us to do.

NIA:

What was that song was like? It was so

Jeff:

fucking stupid.

NIA:

So can I ask you a question? I feel like the Most Anticipated Albums that were supposed to be released this year was certified Loverboy Donda. How do you guys go from attract

Jeff:

to me and I give them a chance. I don't be like I was trying. I put it on title. I listen to the shit. And as soon as it's done, I text Anthony and I tell him trash. What were your opinions? And he tells me like yeah, it was trash. Okay, we move on. And then we talk about it on the show.

NIA:

Do you feel like there was like a did you feel like there was like a disconnect? Like, I don't know why I couldn't register what the fuck I was listening to.

Anthony:

I think you're dealing with two artists who are extremely successful, and they're static. Like, I can do the same thing for the next few years. And I know I will still be true. Or I could try something different. And you don't see much growth in them. Right. But like, but like I said, you see the other guys that are contemporary to drink more specifically Cole and Kendrick. They're constantly evolving, like drink you're successful. You're Rishi, you still like crying a woman like come on. Like, it's a whole thing about like being able to change like I'm rapping 20 years ago about dope. And 20 years later, I'm still rapping about dope, some things. Like I'm gonna lose this audience, like everyone else has grown and matured. And

Jeff:

that's why NAS and Jason can talk about buying cryptocurrencies. Now, you know, I'm saying,

Anthony:

right, but they're great. But they don't you have to do that. Like they can still like, like, the reason why the the 3000 are so impactful to me because like say it's the purest part of storytelling. Like, I'm going, I'm telling a story where I'm talking to my mother, but I'm not talking to my mother. I'm talking to your mother to talk to my mother. I think she's in heaven. Like, I don't know, I haven't heard from her getting the whole diatribe over. Alright, that's just it's just

NIA:

super when I heard the verse when I heard Andres verse I said, this is why he's one of my favorites easily. Because it's just like, first off. I don't know if I just if I like to think but he will make you reflect and think about what the fuck you just heard.

Anthony:

But like I said, I mean, I mean, Drake and Kanye drop these albums right? At the all the turmoil we had this year. I don't hear shit about that. That's so strange to me. Three COVID and police brutality everything else at it. I mean, I kind of sort of get it from Kanye because kind of sort of bought us motor but not really because this is knocking it but it's not really It's named after but it's not sort of our little boy like, I mean, I'm saying you Canadian? No, but I mean, it's been real shit going on in the world. Like you're just choosing not to speak by like, I want to talk about he's light skinned

Jeff:

him over. He's fucking light skinned. You don't know what the fuck is going on? They

NIA:

feel like I felt like little all the time. I feel like little baby did a really good job. I don't really listen to a little baby. So I don't want

Jeff:

to get nobody that starts with the name lil. Except for oh,

NIA:

I think he did. Exactly. I think little baby did a really, really good job when it when everything was collapsing, to like, bring awareness. He wasn't expecting from a guy like him. And you would never like you would expect it from Kanye you would expect it from but then again, like when people become rich, they think that they're eliminated from the problem. And it takes a real humble person that's like, Wait a minute. These are my people and I I representing them.

Anthony:

And the old Kanye isn't the point that when his mother died, the old Kanye is a guy who stood on TV said George Bush doesn't care about black people. Right? That's the kind of looking for once he got rich and started selling like ugly sneakers and everything else like that. The whole game change shirts like ugly, ugly,

NIA:

so you Okay, I think in terms of a design perspective, not to get technical. I think he's smart.

Anthony:

Genius, that man still in jail?

Jeff:

For $400 For that bullshit.

NIA:

But I think people are not paying no people are not paying $400 for the actual sneaker they're paying $400 To say that that Kanye made a sneaker and they have it. That's what they're paying for.

Jeff:

Yeah, and then they go away for the bus on the corner because they don't have a car or they go to the little section a department you know, I'm saying like What is he doing for the culture? He's when the people the people that are buying it's like the Michael Jordan argument for all those years. Like the buying your shit? Are the people in the culture that can't really afford to be buying your shit, you know, and they're the ones buying and then

NIA:

But then But then you just brought up Jordan and it's it's a really it's it's so interesting because I think there's been a lot of people asking, you know, these companies will What are you doing for the black community? How are you contributing? How are you giving back? And then these people are just like, Yeah,

Jeff:

I'm making a lot. That's what I'm doing.

NIA:

Exactly. I mean,

Anthony:

but you got to understand like this part of a capitalist society, people don't go to their bank, like, what are you guys doing for black people need to deposit your money that you probably asked them to then control a lot of your funds and can do a lot of influence, like lower rates and things of that nature or be more no open to people of color, and like housing and loans. And but you're not asking that. But you got the easy target, like, Mike, what are you doing for black people? I sell sneakers. But just because I'm black doesn't mean I have to do anything for you guys. I can choose to that Michael probably does. He just is not. He doesn't have to be all out and apparent and be like I do shit. Just not the way.

NIA:

That's true. For me, I don't know, I'm very into, if you have the opportunity to help people, I think you should. But that's just the way I was raised. I'm not super like, you know, rich yet. But I still find ways to give back for my community. And like, I still find ways to give back to people in di that might not have a Christmas or might not have you know what I'm saying? I do what I can with the little that I have. So I would only hope that if someone is is such an influence to so many people, even if it's one time, and the they're just like listen, I you know, I'm helping out here, I think it'll encourage other people. It'll be like a domino effect, you know. So it, it would have been nice to see some people making the right change. But then again, I understand that there's a lot of emotions in it. Like some people, we can't hold a lot of these people at like a savior point, you know what I'm saying? Like, not everyone could be a Savior, and they're not supposed to. But I do think contributing and helping is very important. And I think every single person, the minute, the minute I sign something, or get a big fat check, like the first thing, the promise that I made is that I will find a way to give back in any way whether that's taking some time out and helping artists like myself that this game is kind of fucking fucked up. And some people don't even want to take the time to give you insight on how things are done. But whether it's doing that, you know, or, I mean, I've done my fair share that I won't discuss, but I've done my fair share of trying to help any way that I can with the little that I know.

Jeff:

But you said before we wrap up you said Qaeda, Travis Scott, Kanye and 3000 I need one more. One more. One more. One more.

Anthony:

Do you want to fuck it?

Jeff:

You see No, no, no. But if you should this actually like storyteller. Now this happens to be the best storyteller.

NIA:

You know, I don't want to get into these. This this last one. I really don't. Because I just feel like

Anthony:

I mean, it's your wife. It can be whoever you like. And like I say it's

NIA:

number five like not thinking about I probably would switch it but like Tupac and Biggie. They're just

Anthony:

the fifth. They're on the list. Okay? Yeah, they're on the list. It's cool. They're just

NIA:

out of this

Jeff:

world. So there's a meme going on going around right now. That says that says Tupac got to be alive the way Jada been act and

NIA:

I didn't see that. I'm out. I'm out. I did see that.

Jeff:

We Anthony always have this argument. I keep telling him that Jada fuck to pot. He's like no, she did. I'm like yes, he did. Tupac did hit that 20 plus years ago, but whatever. I'm gonna get off that.

NIA:

I don't know why I always thought maybe I'm under the wrong impression. Because that's what everyone on Twitter has been like chatting about has been open.

Jeff:

I mean, they you know, they were like friends and all it wasn't like officially officially dating but come on, and it was doing something but anyway, yo, thank you for coming on, Nia. Yes. Thank you can people find you which we've got going on? What's your website?

NIA:

Instagram at it's Nia bitch. Bring Britney Spears inspired. You can find me on Tik Tok, which is the new thing to do. As in myself, but like younger keys younger kids younger than me. And it's me a bit. Twitter. It's a bit. So wherever you want to find me. It's literally it's me a bit because that's just physical. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Jeff:

as we as we honor in women, I'm going to end it with a quote from Judge Sonia Sotomayor. Supreme Court justice. She said a surplus of effort could overcome a deficit of confidence.

NIA:

(Nia singing) Bother You by NIA