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Sept. 5, 2022

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Black America

Its Labor Day and what better way to celebrate it then to discuss racism in Hollywood, Black superheroes, and all things culture

Topics Discussed:

  • Should unemployed people be allowed to celebrate Labor Day?
  • Romeo Santos' new album
  • Is Trap Hip Hop?
  • Michael Jackson
  • Chris Rock turns down the Oscars, jokes about Will Smith
  • Joe Budden says Tupac would wash Big and Nas
  • The MTV VMAs
  • Why did Carmelo Anthony present award to Bad Bunny?
  • Nigeria bans white models
  • Is it racist to have Black and Brown actors in fantasy shows / movies?
  • Black superheroes

Referenced Links:
Chris Rock Says Will Smith Slapped Him Over "The Nicest Joke" | HipHopDX

Chris Rock Admits He Declined Invitation To Host 2023 Oscars (thesource.com)

Joe Budden Claims That 2Pac Would 'End' Biggie And Nas In A Verzuz Battle (thesource.com)

Nigeria becomes first nation to ban white models in commercials | Al Mayadeen English

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Transcript
Jeff:

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, thank you for tuning in to another episode of the culture. Boy, Jeff, my man. What's good?

Anthony:

Happy Labor Day everybody. Fuck Labor Day. Are you off?

Jeff:

I am off. I am off actually.

Anthony:

Right his action taken to fuck Labor Day.

Jeff:

You're right. I take that back. Go don't take that back. No, no, no, I take that back. I take that back. There are some lazy motherfuckers that don't work that are going to try to celebrate the shit. Nor are they allowed to. They shouldn't be allowed to celebrate if you don't got a job.

Anthony:

I mean, that's a fair That's like telling someone they can't celebrate Christmas because they ain't got no money. I mean, we can't have Thanksgiving. I got no food like, you can it's a day off.

Jeff:

No, you know, but Thanksgiving is about being thankful for what you do have, you know, I'm saying? I know the same thing with Christmas. But Labor Day is for the less for the workforce is my fuckers that are, you know, I'm saying that are a contributing member of their workforce and the labor force if you ain't part of the fucking labor force, and yes, his home just collecting welfare checks. And you probably don't need to be celebrating Labor Day, because you want to learn about labor.

Anthony:

Now you can I mean, because not all labor depends upon what you get paid for it. Like, let's say people like who like assist the homeless or like, do charity work or nonprofit work. But those are jobs, but they they volunteer for that? Like they just do it at a constant heart. It's still labor. I mean, I guess if you take if you take advantage like you, if you got an elderly relative or something else like that you help out with sure like that. So it's still considered work. You're not getting paid for it. I mean, I think we're talking about the paid part of it. Not the work part. But work comes in all shapes and sizes. In fact, as long as you're doing something, and if you're unprotected member of society, I think he gave a fuck about his day anyway. But for most people, you know, they need they need, like, that's a bad part. Because but we don't get another day off button to October. I'm thinking yeah, yeah, that's it. I mean, it doesn't really get cracking like that until around like, November, December around the holidays, but like so you got one day off September one day off October. I figured rest assured I was going to cool now I'm tired of heat.

Jeff:

But yeah, but I'm gonna go ahead and shout out to patrons early because I did it at the end last week, so I'm gonna fuck it up last night fuck it up. It's different you know, sometimes I'll do it in the middle of the episode. Sometimes I'll do it at the end. I had to tell you because he was about to be out of here like, you know to come all the way up from out of here. I know. So shout out to the coach crew. I want to speak to the coach or crew because people be getting mad you know, people be getting mad for like no reason. And I tell you what, I'll explain to you what I'm talking about. First, let me get the shout outs man. Let me get the shout outs Sure. Shout out let me do it Madhu from backwards because there's some people that are be putting always at the end and they probably be feeling some type of way. So I'm gonna start off with my man Simba, The Lion King. Because I'll always be putting him last. I'll put him first as we complain about

Anthony:

anything. No one be first. Alright, you first congratulations.

Jeff:

No, no, this came from me to and then complain about it. I'm just saying before they do manipulate the book.

Anthony:

So you want like equality so everyone gets a time at the top of going for facts. Facts, right. Okay.

Jeff:

Shout out to Melly Mel. Shout out to Tosh. Shout out to Eric grand Kaiser. And shout out to Alex so say, and God's gonna fuck it. I'm just gonna say I was gonna say

Anthony:

for you go conquer her flippin fucking do this versus but yes, continue.

Jeff:

You're right. The Busy Man. Um, so anyway, so yeah, to speak to for the most part I speak to all of our patrons, you know, this family film, if you're a Patreon if you're part of the culture crew, you family. So if you want to, you know, I mean, if you want to support the show, just sign up and become a patron. You know, you become part of the family, get exclusive content, get early access to episodes, get merch and you get weekly shout outs. Anyway. So I'm talking to one of the Patreon members, right. Alex Jose, and the new Romeo CDs. You're familiar with Romeo Santos, correct? Sure. But chatter, mannequin, whatever, whatever. Okay, cool. So he has a new album that just came out on Friday. And he has a song with Justin Timberlake on there. Cool. My favorite song on there. It's called gravelly and it's it's like a hip hop song, right? And it's featuring a Latin rapper named lobby's the pencil anyway. And I'm gonna ask you to before I get into this discussion that me and this person had was it was more of an argument. I'm going to ask you is trap music. Hip Hop? Yeah. It is correct. Yes. Because it is a form of hip hop. It is derived from hip hop, correct. It's an off branch of hip hop. Right,

Anthony:

it's okay. If hip hop is a tree it just sort of fruit that spawned from it. Different branch. So same thing, right?

Jeff:

So in this song is not but Chatter is not Moran gay. They actually sample the loonies be from I got five on it. But bump bump, bump, bump, bump, bump bump, they put a little spin on it. It has like some drums, they might be eight away drums. It kind of sounds kind of Trappy. Right, like trap ish. So I tell this gentleman, I'm like, yo, because he asked me what's your favorite song on the album? I'll go, oh, that hip hop one. And he's like, damn, so a whole Spanish CD about the child and you like the hip hop song. I'm like, Well, shit. That's, you know, that's my favorite genre. So obviously, I'm gonna gravitate to the one song that has Hip Hop influence. He was like, oh, but that's a Trap Beat. And I ignore that comment. Right. And which angered this gentleman? He goes, that's a that's a Trap Beat. I'm like, Yeah, It's hip hop. He's like, No, motherfucker. It's just trap. And I go, okay, but it's sampling the loonies B is clearly influenced by hip hop, and trap is hip hop. It's a form of hip hop. And then he goes off like, Oh, so now you're gonna tell me that mumble rap is also hip hop. And I'm like, Yo, what up, man? Are you taking it like calm the fuck down, bro. It's hip hop. Hip hop. So we had this whole argument until I eventually just stopped responding because I was like, this isn't going anywhere. So, you know, Alex, oh, say I love you, man. But it was a new argument. Trap is hip hop. I don't consider mumble rap hip hop, even though the word rap is in the phrase mumble rap. Rap is hip hop. You know, I'm saying this hip hop is not the form of hip hop that we like. I personally don't like trap. But you know, I like this particular song that had trap influences. And it had hip hop influences

Anthony:

just because like is it just because I don't like it. I mean, that hip hop is still hip hop, even if it's not your flavor, I guess you could say, okay, hold on.

Jeff:

You find it. You hear the loonies behind the drums drop can be as hard as hip hop, if you chose it. It was a nice spin on it.

Anthony:

How does the thing go? Like, like, like you don't, you don't need to like know it. Like when you see it, you know it? Like that's what it is like, It's hip hop. Like, I don't know why. I don't know why he's arguing that point. Like it's, that's when you it's almost like unless you do that beat and someone is like, doing I've pop music over it, which would be difficult to do pop music over that beat is hip hop.

Jeff:

You gotta have a mariachi band in the background or something for that not to be hip hop,

Anthony:

is hip hop, because you're doing a D put a rapper on it. It's hip hop, but I can see him singing over the beat. But you put a rapper on that beat. It's hip hop, like, You're overthinking the shit. You don't have to It's hip hop, man. Don't you're gonna argue it trust me. Jesus.

Jeff:

He bi so I just want to. I just wanted to get that out to where

Anthony:

Alex is hip hop, man. There's no reason to waste any more words, or you didn't want to text trust me. It's hip hop. I'm not even saying that because I'm black. I just know hip hop. When you hear you know, that's hip hop. Like there's like, there's like when you hear like, we'll say shit. Hit starships by Nicki Minaj. Even though she's rapping you can tell us a pop song. It's pop you can tell like you don't need to analyze like once you hit a beat on anything you know it's about it. Have you ever been a time that beats when using this now hip hop?

Jeff:

What was the original version because it Looney sampled it from something else I missed? The very original version of that beat I'm assuming was probably something else. But I've only ever heard it on hip i Well, puffy used it and an r&b song with with our Kelly.

Anthony:

Right but but death part she don't

Jeff:

man love you like do. I mean that's r&b Right,

Anthony:

right. But puffies rapping on it is so it's still hip hop. So hip hop, and our Kelly's doing the hook. But the whole thing is that with that, and like I said, even if it came from somewhere else, that's the core of hip hop itself. You've sampled it from somewhere else, which is how these beats are made. That's generally how hip hop works. Is hip hop, right? It's all right, Alex, don't don't feel butthurt over it.

Jeff:

Speaking of Nicki Minaj Did you watch the VMAs last week, because we can begrudgingly I'm watching this shit right? And I was constantly reminded that this is not a hip hop show. It's not a black people show. It's not even a show about the culture. It's a white people show with a little hip hop sprinkled in it How long

Anthony:

did it take you figure it out.

Jeff:

I don't know, because I'm thinking, oh, you know, VMAs awards. Like, I grew up in all the videos I was watching had black people in it. I mean, again, I grew up listening to hip hop, the majority, you know, I'm saying like, and you know, this, this wasn't the Beatty Awards, which is, you know, which is Viacom's black show. MTV is not Viacom's black show is Viacom's white music show with black culture sprinkled in, right. Alright, so black people have sprinkles, literally. Correct. Correct. But they tell me when they tell me. The three hosts are LL Cool J. Hip Hop, Nicki Minaj Hip Hop ish. And Jack Harlow Hip Hop ish. I'm like, Okay, this is gonna be a hip hop show. I'm watching this shit like two hours in. I'm like, Yo, what the fuck are these hoes bro? I saw LL Cool J like once. I saw Jack Harlow once. And then I saw Nicki Minaj a few times because they were honoring her so she kept coming out and and they gave her an award for what the fuck she got like best hip hop. I think like how does Nicki Minaj get Award for Best Hip Hop Life Check out like a lifetime achievement award and shit like that Lifetime Achievement Award. But they gave her some shit to for like best hip hop or whatever. I don't even know what the category was. I'm like, what? She's not even really doing Hip Hop anymore, though. She's doing pop music. But whatever reason they had the Snoop they had the snoop. They had the Snoop and and performance that was dope.

Anthony:

You like that? That Metaverse shit. Because it was entertaining

Jeff:

though. They if they're smoking the biggest blunt you've ever seen. Then they get high as out and the song comes on. And they're both apes on the screen.

Anthony:

I don't think you'd liked it though. I think you'd be so desperate for hip hop like this. I do. I'm dying.

Jeff:

You're probably you're probably right. Yeah, you're right.

Anthony:

Like when you starving us find somebody like this is the best fill in the blank I've ever had. No, you just hungry. You've been waiting for hip hop for two hours and they come over here there was some bullshit me rapping monkeys and some other function. I'm like, Man, I get it off the record but I don't care.

Jeff:

Then they gave bad bunny, the Artist of the Year Award and he's performing in Yankee Stadium so they cut to that he kisses a dude he kisses a girl. Okay? You're bisexual we got it. If opportunists give him and then Carmelo comes out and presents the award to him. So it was kind of

Anthony:

weird like mellow here like don't you late Yeah,

Jeff:

you know what I thought you know what I was thinking I was thinking about this shit. I was like, You know what? They probably called the stadium and it was like yo, who who? Yeah, got over here. We got Carmelo here we got Jeter here, you know, they probably mentioned though, they ran down a bunch of people that they had sit in at the suite. And it was like I Melo do give the award to Melo hand it to him and let him walk out there and give it he could represent it you know I'm saying that's my that was my initial thought when I saw that show.

Anthony:

I don't got gene ID number I got another number let me call him a quick hello.

Jeff:

What celebrities do you have there? Do you have Diddy there he's like Nah, he's not in attendance who do have anybody and of the culture we got we got mellow he's Puerto Rican is cool that's good enough

Anthony:

is Jesus or marrow that pick one of them? Because we don't care like nah no got any

Jeff:

Latin artists out there that could come out like now we got mellow he's the only half Latino guy that we got here that people know why

Anthony:

mellow sound Spanish enough put him out there. But

Jeff:

I think they told mellow about it like probably five minutes before he went out there like yo mela we need you to go out there real quick and handy shit to Babs. You should buy cool. Because it was random.

Anthony:

The whole thing was, but the whole thing Washington you gotta kind of realize like, it's the Video Music Awards was last time we watched him. He was a video.

Jeff:

And that's another weird thing. They're showing these videos. And I'm like, you haven't seen any like, where are these YouTube videos? Like where do they show this?

Anthony:

I don't know. I don't watch videos I got to do I'm gonna go.

Jeff:

Because I remember flipping channels growing up. And we had like all types of music video channels. We have BT we have VH one we had MTV. We had MTV two. And then we had like the video music box.

Anthony:

Man football and we had the box we had to call and press locoregional right. Watch

Jeff:

it right. That's it. But we had like five different channels that played music videos at any given time of the day, bro, you had pop. You had hip hop? You had you had the Michael Jackson hour where they would just show all of Michael Jackson videos straight for like, you know,

Anthony:

but even then you watch BT because we watched MTV and he put in a bunch of folks that you really didn't care about you with hope. And if you want to do a bit of BT, you were like nope, four to four to five o'clock rep city all the vehicles coming on. That's it or like right right there. 56106 and Park you knew what it was. He wasn't really watching chicken for MTV, like bass man something right? Because it but MTV is not like that. It's like they kind of celebrating our music. But attendance isn't one flavor of music more than what we consider in the culture itself. So I mean, I'm not shocked by it. Like the people that had on it. They were people that are popular in a culture but not specifically for them. Like MTV is never gonna have like, you know, pretty much a black thing but they have their own black channel where they do their black thing, but purely MTV. We never really cared about it. We just we just did videos and came in from time to time but we'd like you know we just started a show. I mean, you're gonna wait two and a half out to perform but a lot of we getting paid the most well we don't give a shit like we never the check would be for it to be like that. I never have actually so to say no, no. You just a bunch of pop artists they used to have

Jeff:

pop up video where you you know they show the video and then they would have like the little fun facts popping up throughout the video other show it was fun it was

Anthony:

the only one I ever wanted to actually read along with I never paid attention to the video I just read the shooting like I learned

Jeff:

I learned a lot about like Michael Jackson video was watching that show like for example when the beat it on the beat it song like he used like real life. gangs, gang members from the streets. You know, I mean, and then and then when we're out Yanka no way and then when we're not yank of it that way when we're out Yankovic did the edit video he used the same actors from the beat it and then you know then the Papa video they were showing you that one fact

Anthony:

you know and like I said, I think that the original thing and beat it. Prince was supposed to be the bad guy singing doing that shit.

Jeff:

Now he was supposed to be he was supposed to be in bad

Anthony:

he wasn't doing that shit.

Jeff:

Your bird is mine. He got he walked out we walked right out of the meeting. But

Anthony:

even if even if that the whole thing is like, you I know you're talking about because it just silly like, well, if all people want to call prints like like he like you would think he'd do this like no.

Jeff:

They both have big egos. And that was probably Michael Jackson's way of saying okay, if I get this dude to be a background dancer on my video then I won. You know, I'm saying that it's never gonna happen and Prince wasn't gonna have that. They said they sat at the table at the dinner table. Prince looked at the script and saw the first line of the song says Your blood is mine. He asked Whose Line is this? And they told him Oh, MJ that's the that's the opening line to the song he's like okay, thank you he got up and walked out.

Anthony:

Doing this that's what I appreciate the prince gangster what no discussion. Like, thank you just let him out. Appreciate I'm good. But what about him? No response. I'm gonna walk forgot though.

Jeff:

Your bird is mine. Whose butt is yours? Bro? Not mine.

Anthony:

I know. I know. That sounds that sound to sound so weird. Especially I thought this he might have been a little kid shit. Like I

Jeff:

don't what does it what does he say after your buddy's mind? Because I always thought he was saying your blood is mine and I'm gonna take a bite that's what I always thought he was saying.

Anthony:

I'm bad right?

Jeff:

Yeah, your bird is mine and I'm gonna take a bite.

Anthony:

Thank you. Thank you so much for title because the title pops up. I think you would allow it to go along with it. Yeah, like there's always read along to you but it's mine. I'm going to tell you right just show your face. Oh you like I'll tell you right I thought it was gonna take a bite. No, your buddy of mine is going to tell you right just show your face in broad daylight let's play it real quick make sure we got okay real block we're gonna do it all on zip daylight. Nikki wear a leather jacket and booth as I beat the dog should not be in a perm. Stop it

Jeff:

was in a New York subway and shit empty is

Anthony:

it an all leather no can't be done is sweating his ass off with a generic zippers 20 Different zippers on a black jacket like I'm tough. You bout to get robbed so in that jacket,

Jeff:

I'm doing bad mother Photoshop random shit early

Anthony:

in the subway. You got sun. You run it, run it, run it run it might you know, think about Microtech everyone else thought Mike was so cool. But him and Princess always had the weirdest outfits. Like none of them. She just was like, like, alright, so maybe the best most function was probably Smooth Criminal because he had like the jacket and the hat on. So and I remember the time he was wearing to go to Nick that she'd had to be heavy as hell and thriller. He's dead

Jeff:

you know, but that he had that red jacket. That's iconic.

Anthony:

And the things that we tried to dress tough it didn't look right. By remembering black and white we had on the black jeans and a white shirt and he was getting it but not only that fuck you up. But not only that though, he'd be trying to dress tough but then he had like the high water pants with some socks with some white as thick as

Jeff:

like how you know against

Anthony:

about those tough to do in the world with penny loafers and white socks that you want you're gonna get jumped on you're gonna get some I'm gonna swing on you like they're gonna look like a look at from chest. Oh, he might have some look that black pillow for season white socks like this. Rob

Jeff:

I worry about that. What about what about prints with the with the butt cheek outfit?

Anthony:

Number Yeah, I did pants but that was that's the whole thing. I would expect that from prints to that's just what prints does. If prints didn't happen, that man put slave on his face. Like he meant that shit like that. That's a man who believes his thinking like I'm not recording. No more songs under the name Prince. I'm just going Want to be a symbol? And I'm gonna write sleeve on my face? That was a man of pure determination that's what always he never took no shorts from nobody the artist formerly known as and the thing and the thing with Brexit you know Prince was fucking it wasn't no allegations with no history thing you knew principal had the best looking women in the world bro he was five foot four five for

Jeff:

cooking all focused on on the on the course everybody

Anthony:

said Prince How do you the best singer and like you also Mugsy Bogues at the same time that's wild to me imagine imagine like that's why the Hollywood sort of struggling everything so funny like imagine getting cooked by Prince like this little dude he just like hitting the step back jumped on you like yo I got like seven inches on the dude I can't block it shot like Prince ill he's far for for planning that meal far before playing of boots and the fact that like Timberlands like women use women's women's boots that not you know what? It was some time some heavy equity then make a plan and some like some some Stacy Adams women's like high low pump with the thick heel and dropping 30 on you. Even amazing dude. We was different back then. Like now all these all these do everybody want to shoot each other bourbon game of it. Like there's no weird dude that you like, all the weird dudes like I don't like you like, like little NAS X. I'm gonna fuck you guys don't like you like, You're weird. Just don't. Don't click for me. Mike's weirdness was just that. I'm really really rich. And I am so rich. I decided to put a museum park at my house. That's amazingly weird, but fun. I would love that. If I was so imagine being sobered up for the six times in the house.

Jeff:

That'd be dope as well. You mean like Neverland Ranch? Yes. You have a bunch of little kids visiting.

Anthony:

That part is a little suspect. But who the saying? I imagined being sober to actually put like everyone doesn't like that. Like they got a basketball court. They got a swimming pool. They got maybe a helicopter passenger that they don't have a fucking amusement park in their house. That's the wildest shit ever. But like I said, our our heroes were built different. Everyone else is gonna floss like no, I'm gonna floss to the point where Look at this shit. Like, do you want it? Like, come inside and eat dinner and go outside and go on a roller coaster? You could do all of that shit here. I would love some testimony like that. If I do, I probably have gone crazy. But it's neither here nor there.

Jeff:

Yo, yeah, Chris Rock turned down the invitation from the Oscars to host next year 2023. If you know they're trying to get ratings from he's like, can we bring this man back? He said, That's like asking Nicole Brown Simpson to go back to the restaurant.

Anthony:

Just can't stop making shitty jobs. Like it's a comic deal. And they don't. But if I'm Chris, I'm not doing that shit. Fuck y'all.

Jeff:

And then he went to Phoenix. And he was talking about the word submission. And he said, He's bigger than me. The State of Nevada would not sanction a fight between me and

Anthony:

that's funny. I think him and I think Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle is in the UK right now.

Jeff:

Yeah, so he made jokes there too about the shit.

Anthony:

He says I'm really interested about will to.

Jeff:

Chappelle said, we'll do the impression of a perfect person for 30 years, and he ripped his mask off and showed us he was as ugly as the rest of us. Whatever the consequences are, I hope he doesn't put his mask back on again, and lets his real face breathe. I see myself in both men.

Anthony:

I agree 1,000% With what he said. That was that was always Will's thing. And that always annoyed me about him. He always wanted to be perfect. Like that's why he made it real quick. I don't curse on you don't curse on records, which occurs in real life. We all do we get frustrated and you kept putting us air perfection the Bible, he couldn't fail. And I'm like, that's not how life goes man. You don't succeed from succeeding you succeed from failing and learning from it. And now he failed on a bigger stage and he still kind of failing like said that didn't seem so. His response at the August month didn't seem so reasonable. It seemed coerced. It seemed. It didn't seem natural. It still seemed like the most natural thing he's ever done. his entire career was golden slap him because he was pissed off you're like, oh, man, fuck this and slap the dude. Then it goes back and become somebody else sitting in that chair or sitting there cursing out Chris. Like people get mad and I don't agree with this. Sometimes people get a bit handsy I get it. But like Alright, so this is a party you would never seen for that party. You've always been used to never showed it to us because you chose not to because you want to put up this air of like, I feel it'd be perfection. I have a great life, have great wife have a great career great, have a great family like wait, no, but even so, just because it's great doesn't mean it's perfect. Your life isn't perfect. None of ours are. And we started to reveal that little bit when he writes the book. You'll see everything he went through in his past. And his basically way to deal with it is to basically reject that kind of life like my life is all Fuck, I'm going to build a better one. And I'm Bill when it's under my control and do whatever kind of do we're gonna go out of control. So it doesn't know what to do. So when Dave said, I'm like, that's really that's really brilliant insight because that's true, like, we all love will because of particular things about him. But do we adore him? Like, do you eat like, is he an upper echelon? Because of his talent? Or just because, you know, he just, he's built the way to make himself very likeable.

Jeff:

I don't know. But Chris Rock said the Dasha hurt God damn right. That motherfucker hit me over a bullshit joke. The nicest joke I ever told. And he's he says, Anyone who says words hurt has never been punched in the face. I'm not a victim. Yes, you're hurt motherfucker. But I shook that shirt off and went to work the next day. I don't go to the hospital for papercut Ouch.

Anthony:

So he hit him he didn't fall. I think it was good slapping. I think I actually seen a do get slapped unconscious. He slapped him so hard his his head like kind of like twisted. He just went live like they slapped a snake on couches. I thought he punched him but a punch on the slaps on two different things like oh shit. So like so he walked a bit he came in and slapped him. Like I said he walked away fixed a little jacket like he Jim Western Wild Wild West and sat down and started cursing them out. That's the whole thing. Chris what he was shocked, but he wasn't crying. He was done. He still kept going. Still kept talking. He slept harder for like cracker shit. So I mean, he got to a point where they hurt me just shocked that you didn't shoot in front, everybody.

Jeff:

Joe Budden is coming out his face again. He's always saying some shit. What what Joe do now this way. This is why he always gets in trouble. And you told me if you agree with these comments, he claims that Tupac would end Biggie and NAS in a versus battle. Because recently they were having a discussion of you know, can they do a biggie versus POC versus you know what I'm saying? Can they have you know, maybe two DJs or two producers played a shit so Joe went on his show whoever thought he was talking to he said I don't want to answer they're gonna say I'm hating on us but instead when asked by his co host who he thinks would win between pocketknives and versus alright now that you'll have progressed the conversation I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna put my shoes on when I say it he said because y'all are right I think pocket Eve and nazima versus pocket and big and versus bad. But and then said that pucks for album run from 93 to 96 where he dropped strictly from my own words me against the world All Eyes On Me and dunk Illuminati all would beat both nods and biggies discographies but an added I hate things pocket piggy university because Biggie only has two albums and die too soon. Big die too soon to play with Tupac he continued ready to die in life after death. It's not enough to be POC and POD got them. Same for albums that I mentioned. It's not true. And he ends it with rest in peace big and product. But the more I think about it, they then they then through Jay Z in the conversation and said that even though Jay would win because he has outlived POC and has more features, it still wouldn't be a walk in the park. I relaxed Joe like relax. This is what gotten you in trouble before Wu Tang. And with other cats and Eminem, Jay would win like you haven't you have a right to your opinion. But like, sometimes you go too far,

Anthony:

I get it. Jay will win. But Jay wouldn't walk with J woman, he would have convinced me. But you know, he's not going you know, he doesn't have to park. Big he's beating Tupac Believe it or not. Because he has, because it's the format. Because VS is only 20 songs, right? So you have four albums. And from those four albums, you got to pick your best coin. And he has more than 20 likes it big is limited. But you can pretty much play. I will say 75% of ready to die. So that's about a song there. And on the double disc, you can probably get your other 12 And I mean, not just some random shit. I mean, like pits. And like I said, I mean, you can just literally I mean, you can throw pocket some shit, but you can play big verse off of, you know, playing year. Like, like I said, Because Joe said with his added features and everything else like that. Big heavy, it's

Jeff:

all about the Benjamins all types of features about adventure with

Anthony:

you like it's a lot of features. Play as anthem. Brooklyn's Finest for him and like it's a lot. So trying to limit it in a very small window. I'm not saying that. They don't wash each other. I think at that point, it becomes a preference choice because of who they are. The thing is that I've never really met someone who was a massive big fan. But at the same a massive Puffin because of everything that went on in their minds. They're either one or the other, or the correct. I'm a fan of but I'm just saying that they each have their music period. No matter what, but I've always said this and I'm going to stand in this stone until it sinks puck was a really good rapper, but he was actually really a great poet. Okay rapper. Really good rapper. Yeah. But he's more of a poet than he was, you know, a rapper. Like I said he would, he would say things do think that the thing is with this if you're looking for lyrical ability and lyrical dexterity, big wins are all the way if you're looking for something that's going to pull in the emotions of it, pucks gonna win but again, that's where it comes from perfect choice because you can pick any of big songs but depending on how you feel about pocket they prey Britain's Got a baby. But Oh man, it's meant so much to me like or to play changes some shit like that because that's just how he was he pulled that emotional, that that rawness out of people. That's why people love him more because he always showed both sides of the coin he was an asshole but he was a caring human being the same time it was looking for the ability to wrap period talks not bigger than better than big. Easily like I like I'm I would, I would tell anyone to pick three pot versus just three. And I can find three bigs that would just smoke those out of the water in a blink of an eye now, I don't mean an album just a verse, pick 363 16 from Pocket three, any of them that you would like, I think this is the best of the best of the best for him. And I'm pretty sure I can find some mid big ones that are better than that. But it's what Joe doesn't. It's exciting. It gets the people going they like it. I don't agree with it at all.

Jeff:

Big is a better lyricist than POC and big as a better way better storytellers. The only thing I think that you know, Pac did better was bring out that emotion like you said out of people you know it's like you felt is the same thing with DMX. Like when they said some sure you felt that you know I'm saying certain songs certain verses certain words that you felt that impacted you different. But yeah, he's not a better rapper than baby by no stretch.

Anthony:

No x now.

Jeff:

What about? Is POC beating NAS? In a versus

Anthony:

No. No. As much as people love Tupac happens, none of his albums are better than the Illmatic none of his arms are better than it was written. I'll I'll take any of his albums and put them up against it. Or still matter.

Jeff:

None of his albums. Yes. Stillmatic. I am. Yeah. Even Nostradamus, which might be one of his weaker

Anthony:

we just named for and podcasts for? And I don't think so. And like I said, we're talking about longevity. There was a period of time when I wasn't really doing much as I hate doing fucking Hindi commercials. Like it just was one rapid so the whole thing when someone brings it upon like, like Tupac Tupac would be hip. No, he wouldn't. Because it because literally like I said, because I know that you have more you have more peace in your heart for what I am than Illmatic. Right? Yes. But no matter if the masterpiece it is. And like I say you can

Jeff:

they play their symphonies playing an opera halls right now playing Illmatic instrumentals, we

Anthony:

did it when we broke down the app. thing that you're going to run into with this when you do pot, you could be as a motive as you want. When NAS clicks with to premiere, and that the static sound comes on. And you sit down close your eyes. And he's basically creating a world right in front of you. There's not much pot can do you can you can bring the guy to beat me all us want to do. It's not gonna make a difference when New York state of mind Come on, I'm sorry. Need to try? It'd be it'd be nice. It'd be cute, but it's not going to work. Well, like say, I think Joe's saying that to to and maybe enhance the legacy of Tupac well, just fine. I think it's agreeable. I think the prominence you're gonna run into that. You still got to play those records. And not all the records from Tupac go and go off against the ones now it's gonna play knowing that especially the one that big on play, like even now it's like, was it it's a vs VI. So it's really like, what's going on there live the crowd reaction, so on and so forth. Like, I mean, if you play something they can really just plead Made You Look, which I don't think is one of NASA's better records, but it just goes off it just one of those. So I mean, what is Tupac really gonna do in a situation like that? I'm not sure. I love all three of these artists pretty much equally because I'm a fan hip hop, not really a fan of people. I was having a conversation earlier. But when I go to work, and I listen to music, I literally just pick one artists. And I just like just press play and let their their songs play. I try not to be too finicky about the shit like I want to hear this when I hear that. I just picked somebody that comes from my like, Alright, let me just say they should have done a lot of people and Naess things really carry over like that. Makes things really carry over like that. Tupac things they also do what he's saying that sense of if I'm putting my 20 against your 22 bucks gonna lose. He's not again he's not going to get smoked. He just gonna lose it or be close. Now if I if I protected up to a pocket and they're gonna hate this. It's just like I got this really hot tick that people hate like, if Kobe Bryant wasn't a La Liga of his career we consider overrated but people don't wanna hit a shin.

Jeff:

They say the same shit about Derek Jeter if he wasn't a Yankee, you know, I mean, right. But you can argue, right? You can argue that

Anthony:

I always say, but it's but the thing with Jeter is this. I don't think he will be as adored because he would have been a Yankee. But people would appreciate his greatness because you know, that longevity 3000 hits, it's not easy to come by. They would do the same thing for Kobe if he was in Miami. But

Jeff:

I mean, they won't have as many championship that you need. Everyone would have five championships, but I think the numbers will still be there. As far as the stats, the points, the hits.

Anthony:

I mean, yeah. And I'm like, okay, so Kobe had like, what a 20 year career right? Oh, those 20 years? How many? How many of those Yes, can argue that he was the best player in the NBA.

Jeff:

Not a lot to be honest with you. Because he played in the era with a lot of grades. He played with Jordan, he played with LeBron. We talked about this, maybe five, right? Out of the 20.

Anthony:

Right. And that's not a lot because number the first four years he was kind of asked, because he was 18 years old. He didn't know how to play. Then by 2122. I started coming into play, but like I said, so he's right in the middle of the endless Jordan area at the beginning of the Tim Duncan air is the Lebron air. So if you'd like I know we kind of some people kind of deify him, but of those years, how many what's he like the, like the hands down bass player in the world. And the thing about Kobe is that it wasn't he wasn't even really like, popular like that, like, as a Knicks fan. You thought Kobe is a bit because he got one one.

Jeff:

Yeah. Chris childs hit him with the two piece chicken butt and chicken, chicken and biscuit and all that. But yo, there's some years that people would argue that he wasn't even the best player on his own team. There was one year where they gave him and Kobe the hidden Shaq the CO MVP of the finals or whatever, you know, I'm saying

Anthony:

yeah, and that's the thing. Shaq was a more dominant player. Kobe was a better overall player. But right but you can find in the NBA maybe at the time somebody who was similar to Kobe, you know, Dwayne, Vince, whatever. You wasn't fine to know by like check. Like when check with like, I fucked to get 40 tonight. Okay, go ahead, because you didn't have an answer. But what Kobe is like, you know, he does his thing. so on so forth. The rape should comes along. Now. He's the Black Mamba. He was great at marketing though. Like everyone like everyone's today, you don't want this Mamba mentality. Like, I always tell people like I understand that, you know, you got to come up with a whole different mentality just kind of block out and shift from what was right before what's going on with him. The only reason why outside of that whatever not everybody says I want a mob mentality when you're not built like him he had to do to live breathe and eat basketball. I guess the reason why I came up because I was watching the shot with Lebron, that LeBron thing. And Kyrie was on it. I'm like, this allows this to go. He like taught me like, like, he should just watch it because he's like, He taught him like these half assed, like, esoteric terms and speaking around things, but not about anything. Like Like, like the fear of being the second guy when he's surrounded by greatness like with LeBron and KD, like the fuck are you talking about? I'm talking about like, I'm gonna shut up Miss I'm doing drugs.

Jeff:

Wouldn't be an episode of the culture. Without talking about little racism is one of our patrons sent me a question.

Anthony:

I don't know why before I get to that. I don't know why we do this every week. We do this every day. Like a 15 minute clip about let's talk about the rich shit that happen today.

Jeff:

No, no, this is different. amuse me first, I'm gonna preface by saying Does he have you heard about this? Because Nigeria becomes the first nation to ban white models in commercials. You heard about that? No. So it's not like actors or anything, yet, at least they just banned white models. So they're only going to use African models to portray you know, I mean, whatever outfits, you know, in magazines, or in commercials and ads, you know, I'm saying Okay. Which, okay, I'm not I'm not mad at that, you know, I'm saying give the work to your own people. Right.

Anthony:

It's either reasonable, okay.

Jeff:

But then the question is, you know, the question after that becomes, are they going to you know, when does that type of law or ban transfer over to like Hollywood, you know, there's been a lot of complaints about like, you know, British actors taking all the Americans jobs you know, I'm saying and shit like that because they do a better accent of us than we do.

Anthony:

You know, we don't try to do a proper British accent that's why Okay.

Jeff:

And you know, they have like we've seen with like Marvel example, or a lot of these shows where they will take a character that was historically white, and they will make them click be played by like a black actor. You know, I'm saying once again, I don't have no problem with that. But the question that was posed to me by one of our patrons, they go is it racist to have black and brown actors and fantasy shows and movies? There seems to be a debate lately where there's a question. It seems to be the bait lately where white people are saying that it's not right to have black or brown actors in these fantasy shows because it quote unquote ruins the original work of the person who created it. The other side believes that thinking that only white people can be fantasy characters, especially in the main ones in a trope are convincing that white people have made that only white people can be the heroes of a fantasy story. What are your thoughts on that?

Anthony:

Okay, I'm gonna float up both guns right now. Alright, so every time we talk about why people are now talking about the negative nonsense they do, this is a perfect example. So what they're saying, is that any fantasy, not reality, something that someone created Star Wars, for example, like Obi Wan Kenobi show, the woman who plays Riva, she caught a lot of hell, a lot of flack people sent me to tell me in galaxies far, far away, you can have aliens, you can have animals to have space Jedi, you can have mystical shit and everything else like that. But what you can't have is newness in space, is what you're telling me. You can't have negative space. Like, of all the billions and billions of galaxies that we can't have magazine space. Like that's ridiculous. Like, okay, like I think there's I think his name is colas. Valerian on a new house of the Dragon chill, he's black. Again. It's a fantasy that someone created that you mean to tell me that there's magic that there's dragons. But ain't no Negus Come on. Now. It's not that the problem is that you try to ban if you ban us in real life, and I tried to ban us and fantasy like the shit we can and cannot do. It's not real. Like I said, there's install words. It's a like a three foot two little green man that y'all worship. But y'all can't have black people in space, the ridiculousness dual density, it should have black people cannot be in fantasy characters. I don't disagree with what Nigeria is doing. I'm going to revert back to that for this reason. For a long time in America, the state of beauty and state of fashion has been decided and created by white people. Like they're the ones in the magazine. That's why you see, you know, you see you see less kinky curly hair, it's more straighten and texture because that was a symbol and the status of beauty at that time. Fine. People of Color started introducing different things into it. It started finding creative ways to advance themselves in these fields. And then those things began began to get co opted by white people. Like I think what I think I saw a thing where a white girl head straight back home rose calm like, like some random fucking bullshit like, those are straight backs. I know they are you're trying to call up some chips are created. So I don't have an issue with Nigeria's. And we want to have a positive reflection about people in our culture. We want to show the symbols of our people and our culture and an advertisement that go to our people in our culture. That's fine. The problem that, you know, when the patient is brought up about this thing right here, like it's in, in theory, the idea is patently ridiculous. You're telling me that something that someone made up, that the rules come and go because either the Creator themselves, that they can say what happened, what does not like these are based upon written text. They're based upon books that were written and published on so forth. Unless that book specifically fists, white, this is something that the person can be whatever they want, but just the people who interpret these know, these passages in literature, just believe that all these people are white. I mean, in Star Wars, there are papapapa three black people, Finn, Billy, Billy Dee Williams, and a black girl from which we call it dinner had a girl that was Asian doesn't want to Star Wars movies, she caught hell. That's the whole thing. White characters don't catch up. If you're a person of color you do. What is ridiculous to me, like said, trying to tell me that there's these galaxies and there's no one of color out there. And then when someone the color does, I'm like, oh, no, that's wrong. How's it wrong? It's just some shit that someone made up. It's not real. Like, no, these people are stupid. They should probably just stop doing the shit because you're wrong. There's nothing wrong with being wrong. You got to understand when you're wrong, you need to be corrected. You can't say that there aren't different things and fantasy world. There are literally dragons and aliens and little small green men. It's ridiculous, man. Stop the ship.

Jeff:

Can you imagine if they casted Michael B Jordan to play the next Superman? They would fucking

Anthony:

riot? Yeah, they will.

Unknown:

You imagined as

Anthony:

they will lose this shit they'll fucking riot they will go crazy

Jeff:

I mean they already they're already talking about this album being the next James Bond and people already you know acted funny about that shit like I mean he's British that's that's the requirement right to be James Bond you have to be British right well he's fucking British it didn't

Anthony:

say anything about being white and as a matter of fact right the double oh seven is just a call name like it's not a anyone's like in a new one the black woman she was double agent double oh seven it's a call sign for the agent with a license to kill doesn't mean the person has to be you know why? Cool, cool Caucasian, they just they just don't they just can't expect someone else to do so like if Michael B Jordan is to Black Superman they're gonna lose the ship remember what Shaq came up with steel? And no one cared like yeah, like it's a robotic nigga Superman like no one cared. They're not gonna care now like I think you could do a one off on Michael B Jordan being Superman but he couldn't be a permanent Superman. Those people will lose a fucking mind they take this shit too seriously. And they're not remember.

Jeff:

Remember Meteor man? It was supposed to be like a Black Superman type of hero. Yeah, Robert tells you he tried something that he tried some that she got zero critical acclaim is a Coke Classic, but nobody gives a fuck about that.

Anthony:

But I'm on a shoestring budget here. I don't have the CGI to do the shit I want to do. So it's all green screen right here just practical effects. I mean, okay, so how many black superheroes is it that did you can come up with a copy hit

Jeff:

locate one and then what was the other one? I think the tickets on Hulu or Netflix? Lightning thunder or whatever the fuck his name is like lightning. That motherfucker?

Anthony:

Black Lightning Static Shock is three

Jeff:

black What about spawn? Is he technically but technically black? Because you can see

Anthony:

spawn oh fuck with the grand exmon The Naked perm with the MSX Bishop? Yes. There you go.

Jeff:

See? The man wants met the man wants to play him met the man wants to play him. Yeah, and add all of those black fit heroes that you mentioned. The only one that's actually been successful is Black Panther. For a lot of reasons. But all the other ones you know nobody either nobody gave a shit about the show. Or the movies didn't do well.

Anthony:

It's not I wouldn't say storm. But she's it but she didn't really part of an ensemble. Is that

Jeff:

and storm should have been in Black Panther you know sanka she was married to the

Anthony:

mother. Fuck is the is the blue bald headed guy on Thundercats black.

Jeff:

Ooh, the voice might have been a black dude.

Anthony:

It sounds I mean, I know we just turned the whole thing about colorism but I'm trying to think like Panthro that's passed. Yeah, he just he just seemed like the coolest motherfucker. Like fuck the line la yo, yo Panthro got the ball head and shit like like like Isaac Hayes. He got a little bowler where he's already getting some action. No, no, he had a stick right? Yeah, the the the deep voice is shipped with the shits. Nobody wanted me to Thundercat Thundercat see the problem whole problem is that you had to sit with it see it's gonna get Seneca Thundercat hole right? Why are you doing that someone could kill you. You know? Like this a delay for you to get in your powers. You have to do the thing and I had to open up and the lightning has to strike and all this other shit. But in the meanwhile, Lionel has to raise the sore and let the symbol shine. It's mad slow. It's not like you know like Shazam. Like he says it once and often the lightning bolt comes he's exam. I got to finish it three times. Put up the long hoe Oh, my sawed up wait for the lightning to come. They're not gonna become you know? This dude. It seems ridiculous. Why did it never do Thundercats movie?

Jeff:

I don't know. It's gonna do no because

Anthony:

I've been taught at Penn Panthera was fucking Vin Diesel I've been so

Jeff:

pissed off and even oh yeah and even he may remember he man had to say the shit I am the power or whatever the fuck he used to say

Anthony:

by the power of Grayskull yada yada yada but I'm here man. My shit my father is my shit bro. My father thought I needed help when I was a child because I never identified with with what he meant. I like Skeletor like why do you like villain skeletons my dad actually mailings? Fuck this dude man.

Jeff:

Are you like you'd like those blue? Motherfuckers I like

Anthony:

because because he was scary and shit like yo, and like I just felt like like he meant this naked dirty. Yeah, hidden raggedy ass cliff. Surrounded by his little who's your favorite?

Jeff:

Who's your favorite X Men then beast because he's blue Mystique Nightcrawler. You'd like those blue.

Anthony:

Nightcrawler than Cyclops than Jean Grey then Professor X Then wolverines and beasts. I just Wolverines like over like it's overrated. Like, it's been way it's been too many Wolverine movies in the whole thing is like, the thing that I hate about warring joints is like they fuck it up like in the comics, Wolverines little, he's like 5455 just big and stocky, like Hugh Jackman's like six one, like he gets the act and part down, but the actual physical size of Wolverines that he's tiny, like a Wolverine, but strongest shit and like, basically indestructible, but number one on my list, but I like Nightcrawler that's a dope palette to have just be like blink of an eye. I love that shit. Who's your favorite command?

Jeff:

Tell him Yeah. I never thought about this shit, to be honest. I mean, I grew up writing the comics and buying the cards and all the figures and watching them I

Anthony:

never thought about it.

Jeff:

I mean, I thought about it, but the cliche answer would be Wolverine, but not really.

Anthony:

No, I think people don't like Cyclops because he's like their version of Captain America like the snake always trying to do some good shit.

Jeff:

Yeah, he's like the leader but he's like, you know, I don't know he's like the quiet leader. He's like the Leonardo of the crew he's like you know you know he's nice you know that that gamma rays plasma shift from his eyes or fuck everybody up? But it's like his powers are not cool enough. You know? I'm saying he can't fly he didn't get the claws you know? I don't know he's just not

Anthony:

running full speed he just jogging. Because I can light up the sky my eyes. I can't run fast. I'm not super strong.

Jeff:

Like my focus. Say some you don't want me opening my eyes, bro. All I gotta do is open my eyes. You know, fuck all the shutter.

Anthony:

All I gotta do is blink. Everybody dying, just going. So rapid, but he won't do that. Smart, and he's fun. But like I said he has a physical attribute. Agile is agile. He's fast. He's strong. Faster. Exit hold telepathy thing. Roll can fly. Wolverine, he's super fast, super strong just because of everything that's kind of going on with him. But Cyclops is just like a guy like you don't do anything special. Like the most powerful one out of them all believe it or not, it's actually Iceman like really? Because the thing is that he can freeze water like he can you can literally kill anybody in the blink of an eye because of your body's made of water. Yeah, but they don't they don't do that. To try to show them real quick. He just turned the ice like you know I can just like kill everybody like you're like 75% water like just freeze the fuck out and everyone died but he doesn't do that doesn't make

Jeff:

a sheet where he could just drown motherfuckers you know I'm saying that'd be fun now. Rain can't survive if he's being drowned he could drown like there's nothing that germanium could do about that.

Anthony:

All it has to do is freeze your blood and you die. It's Oh, but like I said you can't use common sense to kind of brush past certain things you got to make an interesting that's an interesting now but in childhood

Jeff:

No, I was dope.

Anthony:

Yeah, did that. Did you ever think about like how we might automatically become like the greatest generation just by default?

Jeff:

Yeah, cuz it's just going to shit fam to wars.

Anthony:

A pandemic 911 A stock market crash or how we've been through it all now. Like I want this shit to stop actually like I don't want anything else to happen. This keeps occurring I want simplicity. Honestly. I don't want to do this shit anymore. But now we got no got a monkey pox and I think I think someone saw like smallpox in the water. And apparently apparently Polio is making a comeback. Get the fuck out.

Jeff:

I thought we were done with should come as you're coming back like Georgia with the number four or five

Anthony:

man I fucking went pull the polio eight man ain't gonna shoot with nobody.

Jeff:

But you're Charles Darwin said ignorance creates more confidence than knowledge. Happy Labor Day everybody. For those of you that actually know what labor is. And I guess for those that don't

Anthony:

yet know that people ain't got no job they try

Jeff:

because nobody wants to work. Nobody wants to work anymore, bro. Look, you know everybody's hiring. Remember, we used to be like, Yo, nobody's hiring remember back in the day. They used to be one of our complaints like yo, nobody's hiring. No, now everybody's hiring because nobody wants to

Anthony:

say the thing was quiet quittin man I've been quiet quit and for years some new shit in a made up I've been quiet quit and didn't know what it is. Is basically doing your job and then that's it. You know sometimes they be like, please stay a little extra and do this. Do that. Whatever. Nah.

Jeff:

Nah, I'm out. Like, I get paid to work till five I'm clocking out

Anthony:

the overtime project at my job. I'm not doing that shit. No, no, because when I'm done with this, guess what? I'm going back to my regular salary because y'all really don't care about this. The reason you want to do overtime because y'all fuck some shit up. Y'all need some additional assistance. I won't be one of them. People fuck that. I clock in at this time. I clock out that time. Oh, At one o'clock whatever happened that day is done I think the rest of you that tomorrow

Jeff:

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